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Originally posted by Ihmotepp
I think all those games suck ass. I don't care who makes it, EU, USA, or Korea, I'll play it if it's good, but none of the games you listed appeals to me at all.
I see... So, why do you think AION, Tera, Blade&Soul, Mabinogi Heroes and C9 "Suck Ass"? Be honest ... you never experienced these games right? So.. they "Suck Ass" becouse? Don't tell me the reason is that you belive these games doesn't have "depth" as you are using a signature related to Champions online... So.. if a game does not appeals to you then the game "Suck Ass"? Eastern MMOs (From the upcoming FFXIV to AION and Tera) are and will be leading the MMO industry when we talk about design, technology, presentation and production value. Guild Wars 2 will be a nice example of a creation with western and eastern influence. ... |
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I'll take quality over quantity, anytime. I guess that's why I'm not subscribed to any MMOs. |
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This entire discussion is silly. Different cultures means that different things are appealing. Its just like food, something that is a rare delicacy in one country would make people puke elsewhere like here where we like raw fish fermented in a cocktail of vinegar, onions and sugar. Its the same for MMO style. Just because something is good and cool in Korea doesn't mean it is elsewhere. For example I personally cannot stand how the characters are posing when they stand still in most Korean games with the chest pushed forward and all the weight on one leg but hey that might make you look cool in Korea so what is terrible for me could be cool for other people. Or what about female voices. The ideal in most of asia is that they should be as girlish sounding as possible, its similar in russia where the women try to talk in as light as voice as possible but here we like a womans voices to be strong, clear and confident sounding and the little girlish style talk of the east is like sandpaper to our ears. And animations? Most Korean MMOs have extreme hyperspeed blown up animations with a s...load of colors and glimmer. Well here most like things to look believeable so you can identify with it and believe in it so those animations again reducing the quality of the game instead of increasing the quality for westerners. An vice versa I am quite sure that Koreans think that western animations looks slow, bland and boring. So you cannot say that one thing is good or bad, you can only say how it is for you and your culture. |
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Originally posted by afoaa you have a decent point, but i think its pretty universal what people like.. ur right about asians liking the cute culture, westerners dont seem to have a cute culture, hell all the girls in america curse like sailors.. and anyhting cute in america came from asia. And its bland,slow and boring is because it is! u can't show someone 2 videos, one korean and one western and its pretty obvious which is the boring one. I already provided a link proving western developers make ugly models.. and people seem to defend it, which is more obsured, look at anime, even westerners love it.. so i think their games would appeal to us, if it wasn't for the grind.
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Originally posted by Dibdabs Well, sadly it looks like I may well be right. I just tried Aion and it looks and feels like every other sad-sack pile of shit the Asians have ever previously made. I hope to god I'm wrong, because I would hate to bin my nice new copy of Aion less than 24 hours after I opened the box
Looks like you're actually very wrong. |
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heartless
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Originally posted by Gameloading
Looks like you're actually very wrong. While, in Aion, you can make your character look as masculine or feminine as possible, somehow it still manages to look flamboyant. Especially that whole "I'm a queen" pose when the character is holding it's butt.
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Asian games are such junk when compared to western games. I can't stand the art style they're so kiddy looking and the continuous grind is pointless so I hope asian games are unsuccessful so we can see a decline in asian games and incline in western games. |
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Originally posted by Cyborg99
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Originally posted by heartless
Looks like you're actually very wrong. While, in Aion, you can make your character look as masculine or feminine as possible, somehow it still manages to look flamboyant. Especially that whole "I'm a queen" pose when the character is holding it's butt. I'm not sure what part of it is still "flamboyant" when you can make your character look just about any way you want. |
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heartless
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Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
Originally posted by Gameloading While, in Aion, you can make your character look as masculine or feminine as possible, somehow it still manages to look flamboyant. Especially that whole "I'm a queen" pose when the character is holding it's butt. I'm not sure what part of it is still "flamboyant" when you can make your character look just about any way you want.
The part where he struts around holding his butt cheeks.
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Originally posted by heartless While, in Aion, you can make your character look as masculine or feminine as possible, somehow it still manages to look flamboyant. Especially that whole "I'm a queen" pose when the character is holding it's butt. I'm not sure what part of it is still "flamboyant" when you can make your character look just about any way you want.
The part where he struts around holding his butt cheeks. I played as a male character in the OB and I haven't seen any of that. |
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heartless
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Originally posted by Gameloading I'm not sure what part of it is still "flamboyant" when you can make your character look just about any way you want.
The part where he struts around holding his butt cheeks. I played as a male character in the OB and I haven't seen any of that.
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That's his sides as I can tell and what part about that is flamboyant? It's a very typical pose in western media. |
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heartless
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Originally posted by Gameloading
You have to see the idle animation. Here's some more. Edit: Oh, and those aren't his sides. lol
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Originally posted by heartless
You have to see the idle animation. Here's some more. Edit: Oh, and those aren't his sides. lol You're going to use an animation that is clearly there for comic relief as an example? |
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heartless
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Originally posted by Gameloading You're going to use an animation that is clearly there for comic relief as an example?
No, I'm still using the butt holding animation as an example. The video I posted was just for comedic relief.
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Originally posted by heartless You're going to use an animation that is clearly there for comic relief as an example?
No, I'm still using the butt holding animation as an example. The video I posted was just for comedic relief. He isn't holding his butt, he is placing his hands on it which still looks like he is placing them on his hips. |
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heartless
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Originally posted by Gameloading
No, I'm still using the butt holding animation as an example. The video I posted was just for comedic relief. He isn't holding his butt, he is placing his hands on it which still looks like he is placing them on his hips. I searched for a video of the emote but couldn't find it. If you play Aion, create an Elyos scout and just watch his idle animation, then come back here and tell me that it looks like something a straight man would do.
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blakavar
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Originally posted by Tisiphone No worries Tis, someone said my GF's charater looked like she was pushing 40+ in FE and she took it personal. "Are you not roleplaying a wastlander clone thats had a hard life? Aged beyond her young years through starvation, combat and strife?" Only the kids and the asian market have a hard time with thier characters not looking like nubile 16 year old girls in catholic school. |
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I should add one more thing, blade and soul and other next gen korean mmo's combat looks like tekken or soul caliber level of combat.. if ur not impressed by that ur just a super racist or super biased.. i mean look at mabinogi heroes.. u have 4 guys teaming up againts a boss holding him down with chains! all real time combat... real time blocks, and dodge.. not a dice roll cuz of ur stats these same guys hating on the games are probably the same idiots who praised the hell out of hideous "real time combat games" like darkfall.. i mean jesus christ thats proof that westerners love ugly games that nobody else would touch..
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LordDmaster
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Originally posted by ricefarmer
If people dont see innovation with these games you are right. They are just haters because the games are Asian and not Western.
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Originally posted by Gameloading
www.youtube.com/watch Also, One game? what a joke. Games like Lineage 2 and Ragnarok Online have had staying powers for years OMG, I thought those 3 videos were of the same game...... Aion is nothing new or different. The ONLY difference is that its got an asian artstyle. Thats it! nothing innovated nothing far superior to western games. The graphics are not that great. I like LOTR's graphics and art style way more the Aion's. Sure those games you posted look great but so does other western next gen mmo's. Thats why they are called NEXT GEN, they hopefully have next gen graphics. |
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Originally posted by Gameloading You're going to use an animation that is clearly there for comic relief as an example?
yes the character looks gay in that pose and the video. yes, you can make your character look anyway you like. But back to the topic Aion is a boring game, content,combat and the feel of the game. Back to the topic. I will agree that korea has released at least one good game and that would be lineage 2. Its a grinder but a good one. As for tera online, the game has not been released and currently under dev. so we will see if its any good(made by the L@ devs who left NCsoft). Western devs. to date have released many solid games, so trying to convience people that koreans own the mmorpg market is invalid. If anything, the eastern devs. lead the F2P market but western games are catching up.... Oh wait the eastern devs own the cute anime mmo market hehe |
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Originally posted by jerlot65 OMG, I thought those 3 videos were of the same game...... Aion is nothing new or different. The ONLY difference is that its got an asian artstyle. Thats it! nothing innovated nothing far superior to western games. The graphics are not that great. I like LOTR's graphics and art style way more the Aion's. Sure those games you posted look great but so does other western next gen mmo's. Thats why they are called NEXT GEN, they hopefully have next gen graphics. the topic is next gen korean games that weve mentioned... aion is not next gen its current gen and its actually a year old and imported here... so there is nothing new but it sure looks prettier then anything here.. western next gen looks great? show me one on the way that comes close to mabinogi heroes.. were u can actually pick up items and throw them.. console action style.. big ones coming up are starwars, star trek.. ?? they all look like hell and the gameplay isn't even close to being as good the next gen korean games.. starwars combat look like ass and that suppose to be next gen here... wtf! the only western game that appeals to be artwise is guildwars 2.. but it might have last gen gameplay which sucks... its going to be the same thing that happesn with fighting games... westerners just not creative enough to compete.. they are too stale to boring.. too ugly
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