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JestorRodo
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Making more predictions? By your own posts this game was to dead and buried over a year ago, and 2 years ago and so forth. This game will be going long after TOR launches. |
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TUX426
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Joined: 8/04/09
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I agree. We're just a few months off near record high GCW Officer numbers where we saw as many as 11415 Officers ranked. 2 months later, we're at 8524...the low was 7755 just about this time last year. Not only is GCW easier than ever to get, there are new rewards for PvPers, new exclusive PvP "Battle Fields" for them, decay was lowered by 20% and SoE spent 3 months last year developing what they thought PvPers wanted (not what PvPers asked for)...all it got them was a 60 day spike.
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Originally posted by Gutboy
I usually don't give into these dooms day predictions. But he may be right, ToR might be the final nail in the coffin. It really doesn't have to be an amazing game, just has to offer more then SWG. Which at this point, shouldn't be hard. SoE could probably slowly get back on track if they wasn't so busy investing in inane updates. Zombies and Ewoks with wings, seriously wtf? Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Originally posted by JestorRodo
Not really, as stated by another poster Jester you have the longest lasting hard on to see this game fail (or anything SOE does for that matter) in the history of gaming and you have in fact made a few predictions of this games failure. While I totally agree that the game is the biggest failure in the history of mmo's (especially given the ip they had to work with) you've honestly made it hard to look at any of your opinions objectively you seem to have taken up a mission to do all you can to see this company run into the ground and have often made comments about SOE and any game they make that makes it far too obvious that nothing you say in regards to SOE will ever be truly objective you will always have more than a passing interest in seeing anything these guys do fail so again this same post coming from someone who hasn't been the single biggest detractor of all that is SOE leaves some room to speculate but I can hardly forget that anything you post about SOE is nothing more than wishful thinking. And again I have a very low opinion of SOE so that is really saying something. |
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What? I thought SWG was on life support and not making any money. It and all SOE games in fact. So you mean SOE is making money on their games? I mean they must be if people think they will shut one down when it no longer does so. Nice trolling. It has to be true, i have internet links. |
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Originally posted by greed0104
I usually don't give into these dooms day predictions. But he may be right, ToR might be the final nail in the coffin. It really doesn't have to be an amazing game, just has to offer more then SWG. Which at this point, shouldn't be hard. SoE could probably slowly get back on track if they wasn't so busy investing in inane updates. Zombies and Ewoks with wings, seriously wtf?
This game has limped along in far worse shape than it is in now and there is even talk of SOE doing a Free Realms type of Star Wars game so that gives an indication that Lucas may not feel like there can be only one Star Wars mmo. And I think you may not be familiar with Jestor he really has used any and every single opportunity to trumpet the death of this game which hasn't happened yet, laws of average pretty much dictate that at some point and time he is going to be right and the game will die but it really does detract from that "foresight" when every single thing they do brings a post from him saying the game "can't survive this blow"... |
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Originally posted by grandpagamer
As slow as there updates seem to be I wouldn't be surprised if they move around a few devs from game to game. Can't be to expensive paying 3-4 devs to update a game. Kinda like the Hoth update for SWG. To me it looked like a reskinned tatooine. So I'm sure they make money, but I'm also sure it wouldn't take many lost subs to put the game in peril or in a state of never updating the game. Didn't Smed also say something about sunsetting the game if ToR does put a dent in the subcriber base? He should have never said that in my opinion. But then again I seriously think SoE has deliberatly been trying to kill SWG for some time. Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Originally posted by jaxsundane
This game has limped along in far worse shape than it is in now and there is even talk of SOE doing a Free Realms type of Star Wars game so that gives an indication that Lucas may not feel like there can be only one Star Wars mmo. And I think you may not be familiar with Jestor he really has used any and every single opportunity to trumpet the death of this game which hasn't happened yet, laws of average pretty much dictate that at some point and time he is going to be right and the game will die but it really does detract from that "foresight" when every single thing they do brings a post from him saying the game "can't survive this blow"...
I don't really care if he has called and failed on doom and gloom for SWG. This one I say is possible, I'm not saying it will happen for certain. I never listened to other shouts of doom for SWG, SWG although a horrible game in it's current state still has the IP backing it up. If ToR offers the same and then some of what SWG has, SWG may fall apart. There is a handful of people happy with the NGE and SoEs attitude and ideas. Plenty more wanna see the game replaced, but continue paying because, it's Star Wars. Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Why is it that when people see a new mmo coming out like TOR thay automaticly think SWG will suddenly die but yet we got tonnes of fantasy mmo's like wow and everquest and thay seems to be doing well, Another star wars mmo dousent mean it has to be the only star wars mmo out there.
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Originally posted by greed0104
As slow as there updates seem to be I wouldn't be surprised if they move around a few devs from game to game. Can't be to expensive paying 3-4 devs to update a game. Kinda like the Hoth update for SWG. To me it looked like a reskinned tatooine. So I'm sure they make money, but I'm also sure it wouldn't take many lost subs to put the game in peril or in a state of never updating the game. Didn't Smed also say something about sunsetting the game if ToR does put a dent in the subcriber base? He should have never said that in my opinion. But then again I seriously think SoE has deliberatly been trying to kill SWG for some time.
I don't think SOE is deliberately trying to kill SWG it's just that Smed caught lightning in a bottle with EQ and SOE for some reason cannot get through their thick skulls that this guy does not know what in the hell he is doing. The only other game SOE has launched that can be considered successful is really EQ2 and you have to question how successful it really was given the enormous advantage it had by being the sequel to the biggest mmo other than wow to that date. POTBS,The Matrix Online,Vanguard all underwhelmed their audiences so this guy put out two successful games out of 5 which means they have a less than fifty percent chance of releasing a good game under his direction and for the life of me the board over at Sony either doesn't see this or he is married to someones daughter. |
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Originally posted by greed0104
This game has limped along in far worse shape than it is in now and there is even talk of SOE doing a Free Realms type of Star Wars game so that gives an indication that Lucas may not feel like there can be only one Star Wars mmo. And I think you may not be familiar with Jestor he really has used any and every single opportunity to trumpet the death of this game which hasn't happened yet, laws of average pretty much dictate that at some point and time he is going to be right and the game will die but it really does detract from that "foresight" when every single thing they do brings a post from him saying the game "can't survive this blow"...
I don't really care if he has called and failed on doom and gloom for SWG. This one I say is possible, I'm not saying it will happen for certain. I never listened to other shouts of doom for SWG, SWG although a horrible game in it's current state still has the IP backing it up. If ToR offers the same and then some of what SWG has, SWG may fall apart. There is a handful of people happy with the NGE and SoEs attitude and ideas. Plenty more wanna see the game replaced, but continue paying because, it's Star Wars. People see what they want to see more often than not. Many people carry a grudge with SOE and can find hope of failure in anything. Myself, i could care less about SWG but seeing it fail is not something i hope or look forward to. It has to be true, i have internet links. |
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Originally posted by greed0104
This game has limped along in far worse shape than it is in now and there is even talk of SOE doing a Free Realms type of Star Wars game so that gives an indication that Lucas may not feel like there can be only one Star Wars mmo. And I think you may not be familiar with Jestor he really has used any and every single opportunity to trumpet the death of this game which hasn't happened yet, laws of average pretty much dictate that at some point and time he is going to be right and the game will die but it really does detract from that "foresight" when every single thing they do brings a post from him saying the game "can't survive this blow"...
I don't really care if he has called and failed on doom and gloom for SWG. This one I say is possible, I'm not saying it will happen for certain. I never listened to other shouts of doom for SWG, SWG although a horrible game in it's current state still has the IP backing it up. If ToR offers the same and then some of what SWG has, SWG may fall apart. There is a handful of people happy with the NGE and SoEs attitude and ideas. Plenty more wanna see the game replaced, but continue paying because, it's Star Wars.
Again it's also possible that a big asteroid is going to slam into the earth tomorrow and make us go the way of the dinosaurs but what is the likelyhood of it happening? I've seen SOE do far worse to this game than what you mention with the zombies and Ewoks and it didn't kill it then so again I say no I don't agree with Jestor nor do I even entertain the thought that he may be right in any way shape or form when this game closes it's doors it certainly won't be because of anything the Jestor said and he certainly isn't going to predict it unless of course he continues to claim anything they do is going to make them shut down which he has and of course they haven't yet. |
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Originally posted by jaxsundane
I don't think SOE is deliberately trying to kill SWG it's just that Smed caught lightning in a bottle with EQ and SOE for some reason cannot get through their thick skulls that this guy does not know what in the hell he is doing. The only other game SOE has launched that can be considered successful is really EQ2 and you have to question how successful it really was given the enormous advantage it had by being the sequel to the biggest mmo other than wow to that date. POTBS,The Matrix Online,Vanguard all underwhelmed their audiences so this guy put out two successful games out of 5 which means they have a less than fifty percent chance of releasing a good game under his direction and for the life of me the board over at Sony either doesn't see this or he is married to someones daughter. I'm not sure what kind of contract LA and SoE have going on. I think they make money on the game, but I don't believe it is much. Not even comparable to pre-cu. They will never recover, why would they want to drag this game any further? Upsetting the player base is what they continue to do, they even hired a shill to do it while they arn't able to. If you have no clue who I'm talking about, feel free to browse the forum. They even gave the little bastard his own forum. They don't listen to player feed back, they continue to push unwanted content/updates on the player base. The TCG is one of the worst ideas for the game to date. I just don't see how a company can be so idiotic to NOT listen to the players after NGE. I'm sorry man, but it almost seems clear as day, I think they are trying to kill SWG off.
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Originally posted by jaxsundane
I don't really care if he has called and failed on doom and gloom for SWG. This one I say is possible, I'm not saying it will happen for certain. I never listened to other shouts of doom for SWG, SWG although a horrible game in it's current state still has the IP backing it up. If ToR offers the same and then some of what SWG has, SWG may fall apart. There is a handful of people happy with the NGE and SoEs attitude and ideas. Plenty more wanna see the game replaced, but continue paying because, it's Star Wars.
Again it's also possible that a big asteroid is going to slam into the earth tomorrow and make us go the way of the dinosaurs but what is the likelyhood of it happening? I've seen SOE do far worse to this game than what you mention with the zombies and Ewoks and it didn't kill it then so again I say no I don't agree with Jestor nor do I even entertain the thought that he may be right in any way shape or form when this game closes it's doors it certainly won't be because of anything the Jestor said and he certainly isn't going to predict it unless of course he continues to claim anything they do is going to make them shut down which he has and of course they haven't yet. I seen everything SoE did to galaxies, ok? I'm not clueless of the situation. It's not even about that anymore. My question is will the entire player base look at ToR, look at BioWare credibility and what they have to offer or will they continue to Support SoE. I highly doubt the latter, unless the player base are gluttons for punishment. Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Originally posted by grandpagamer
I don't carry a grudge I look at the massive amount of mistakes made by SoE, mistakes they went through after recieving feed back from the player base that they didn't want it. I don't want "SWG" to fail, I would love to see it succed but as long as SoE has it by the throat that wil never happen again. Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Originally posted by greed0104
I don't really care if he has called and failed on doom and gloom for SWG. This one I say is possible, I'm not saying it will happen for certain. I never listened to other shouts of doom for SWG, SWG although a horrible game in it's current state still has the IP backing it up. If ToR offers the same and then some of what SWG has, SWG may fall apart. There is a handful of people happy with the NGE and SoEs attitude and ideas. Plenty more wanna see the game replaced, but continue paying because, it's Star Wars.
Again it's also possible that a big asteroid is going to slam into the earth tomorrow and make us go the way of the dinosaurs but what is the likelyhood of it happening? I've seen SOE do far worse to this game than what you mention with the zombies and Ewoks and it didn't kill it then so again I say no I don't agree with Jestor nor do I even entertain the thought that he may be right in any way shape or form when this game closes it's doors it certainly won't be because of anything the Jestor said and he certainly isn't going to predict it unless of course he continues to claim anything they do is going to make them shut down which he has and of course they haven't yet. I seen everything SoE did to galaxies, ok? I'm not clueless of the situation. It's not even about that anymore. My question is will the entire player base look at ToR, look at BioWare credibility and what they have to offer or will they continue to Support SoE. I highly doubt the latter, unless the player base are gluttons for punishment.
Well then maybe you should look at the boards for TOR then because it certainly is not a forgone conclusion that everyone who likes Star Wars will even play this game many vet's complain it's not SWG pre NGE and the closest thing you are going to get to pre nge now is the current SWG and I am fairly certain TOR is not going to play very similar to it at all, I'm not arguing wether the game should be closed again I'm saying Jestor doesn't know anything and neither does anyone who even watches this situation because everything SOE does defies logic the game should have been closed in my opinion right after the CU revamped and re released but it didn't happen and I don't think anyone can point to anything to say that it is going to put this game in a situation to close it's doors. |
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Originally posted by jaxsundane I never said that all vets would switch, and am aware of the situation. If you actually drop by there I'm constantly discussing the situation with unhappy vets. I understand the game wont appeal to everybody. But these vets your talking about are not even playing SWG. So what's your point? All ToR has to do as I said, is offer everything galaxies does. It does not take any special skill to see that ToR "could" be the end of galaxies. I think even SoE sees this. Really all ToR has to do is appeal to SWG "current" player base and SWG "may" fall apart. Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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You aren't even allowed to discuss SWTOR on the SWG forums anymore, well at least not in the off topic area.People there are really anti SWTOR xD
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Originally posted by tillamook
I didn't know that. If that's not a sign of fear what is it? WoW forums allow you to talk about other MMOs Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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People seem to be forgetting that SWG is not only going to be competing with SW:TOR, but also with Star Trek Online and possibly Jumpgate Evolution. There are more than two space MMOs on the block now and I can definitely see SWG taking a big hit simply because it is an old and much maligned game. I give SWG a year at most after the release on STO and SW:TOR. Their customer base will be cannibalized by these two games alone; not to mention the new EVE Online game, DUST 514, the EVE Online ambulation system, Jumpgate Evolution, and any other space or science fiction game that is due to be released. SWG is dead in the water at this point. Might as well wake up and smell the bantha fodder. |
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Originally posted by greed0104
I didn't know that. If that's not a sign of fear what is it? WoW forums allow you to talk about other MMOs
Just not in the off topic area, it has to be in their Star Wars forums, otherwise the mods mark it as spam. On another note it seems players aren't so happy about the fact that SOE might be making a new SW MMO lol forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m
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Originally posted by tillamook
Just not in the off topic area, it has to be in their Star Wars forums, otherwise the mods mark it as spam. On another note it seems players aren't so happy about the fact that SOE might be making a new SW MMO lol forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m
Heh that's pretty interesting, I guess that's pretty normal I guess. I thought you was saying it wasn't allowed anywhere on the site. Would be weird considering both have LA behind them. Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Originally posted by Xondar123
This is kind of how I feel. Right now, there isn't a lot of choices in mmo's for sci fi fans to choose from, and theres only 1 Star Wars themed mmo. Next year, however, theres going to be a lot more choices for both sci fi and Star Wars fans. The population of swg is already small as it is, and I don't have much confidence it will survive all of this. Many of the people left playing are only doing so because its the only Star Wars mmo available and theres not much to choose from for a sci fi game (EVE is a great game but its certainly not for everyone). I really don't think theres too many "swg Fans" left playing, who just enjoy the game for what it is. |
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TUX426
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Joined: 8/04/09
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Originally posted by Ginaz
This is kind of how I feel. Right now, there isn't a lot of choices in mmo's for sci fi fans to choose from, and theres only 1 Star Wars themed mmo. Next year, however, theres going to be a lot more choices for both sci fi and Star Wars fans. The population of swg is already small as it is, and I don't have much confidence it will survive all of this. Many of the people left playing are only doing so because its the only Star Wars mmo available and theres not much to choose from for a sci fi game (EVE is a great game but its certainly not for everyone). I really don't think theres too many "swg Fans" left playing, who just enjoy the game for what it is.
Yup! The lack of a true competitor to SWG is SoE's only saving grace right now (they need to thank Tabula Rasa). Aside from Eve, there's really nothing in the "Sci-Fi" genera. This coming year should be a good one for Sci-Fi MMO fans though...will be interesting to watch the SWG forums :)
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