At first I was skeptical on the idea of rift pvp, I imagined everyone would just zone through, spread out and go at alone picking off easy targets.

Well through my few excursions through the rifts this is not the case. It's really nice to see players willingness to group up during rifts. Just a few mins ago I was roaming with a small group, gave me a feeling i haven't felt since my days in DAoC. I haven't been to the abyss yet so I have no idea what that will be like, but with any luck im hoping it'll be just as fun, if not more.

Just giving Aion credit for making open world PvP enjoyable.

So is anyone else enjoying the PvP in this game? If not, explain what you don't like about it, and how you think it could be improved.

I haven't had a chance to do anything in the Abyss as of yet but as for rifting yeah I've had fun with it.  I usually play a healer class in these games so for me it's a nice change of pace to be a ranger  and enjoy some dps since there are so many healers playing didn't see a need to roll another one.  Don't blame them though considering their survivability.

Forgot how much I liked to pew pew :D

Glad you are enjoying it but to me Aion PvP is completely unappealing.  I know many will disagree but I think large scale MMO PvP is pretty stupid as for the most part it is just about who has the most numbers or most numbers of high level/gear people far more than being about any one, or even several, player's actions.  And outside of large groups the frequency and likelihood of it simply being gank or be ganked is too common. 

I am all for PvP, even non consensual PvP like the rifts, but if it is not a couple players on a couple players then it just becomes a big mess of our group crushes you group or my group owns this or that straggler and it not at all skillful or engaging.  It would be one thing if Aion had a big open world, but it doesn't.  Rifts in small linear areas only mean that initially those caught of guard get ganked then the other side gathers and responds and once that happens it is just a big mess of spell spamming and other such things.  No my cup of tea at all.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

 No my cup of tea at all.

It's been pretty aparent the whole game is not your cup of tea, with the excessive bitching you do.

Actually, I think the game starts out well, but as you get to 20 it really starts to fall apart and show its 'Korean game' roots.  So if by excessive bitching you mean I have been honest in my analysis of the game giving it credit for things I think are good ad criticizing things I think it does poorly then I guess you are correct.

Pretty much every AION thread I have browsed through has you pissing and moaning about something. Sure you have been honest in your analysis, I never doubted that, it's an opinion after all. But either you like it or don't. No need to tell everybody about it, most people playing a game don't wanna listen to your negativity, they wanna talk to like minded people.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Actually, I think the game starts out well, but as you get to 20 it really starts to fall apart and show its 'Korean game' roots.  So if by excessive bitching you mean I have been honest in my analysis of the game giving it credit for things I think are good ad criticizing things I think it does poorly then I guess you are correct.

It's interesting you feel that way.  For me, it's the exact opposite.  I felt the game started out rather weak and quite boring and got more interesting the further I played especially post 20.

Originally posted by greed0104

Pretty much every AION thread I have browsed through has you pissing and moaning about something. Sure you have been honest in your analysis, I never doubted that, it's an opinion after all. But either you like it or don't. No need to tell everybody about it, most people playing a game don't wanna listen to your negativity, they wanna talk to like minded people.

You should email the folks at MMORPG then and tell then they mind as well shut the site down as there is little reason to talk about games and share our opinions about them.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Actually, I think the game starts out well, but as you get to 20 it really starts to fall apart and show its 'Korean game' roots.  So if by excessive bitching you mean I have been honest in my analysis of the game giving it credit for things I think are good ad criticizing things I think it does poorly then I guess you are correct.

Reminds me of that one game involving a barbarian, and we all know how that turned out.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Glad you are enjoying it but to me Aion PvP is completely unappealing.  I know many will disagree but I think large scale MMO PvP is pretty stupid as for the most part it is just about who has the most numbers or most numbers of high level/gear people far more than being about any one, or even several, player's actions.  And outside of large groups the frequency and likelihood of it simply being gank or be ganked is too common. 

 

I am all for PvP, even non consensual PvP like the rifts, but if it is not a couple players on a couple players then it just becomes a big mess of our group crushes you group or my group owns this or that straggler and it not at all skillful or engaging.  It would be one thing if Aion had a big open world, but it doesn't.  Rifts in small linear areas only mean that initially those caught of guard get ganked then the other side gathers and responds and once that happens it is just a big mess of spell spamming and other such things.  No my cup of tea at all.

some truth in your post 

but since wow is there to cover the area of pvp you describe 

it is awsome that aion isnt a carbon copy of wow (pvp)

if it had been game would be empty right now

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by greed0104

Pretty much every AION thread I have browsed through has you pissing and moaning about something. Sure you have been honest in your analysis, I never doubted that, it's an opinion after all. But either you like it or don't. No need to tell everybody about it, most people playing a game don't wanna listen to your negativity, they wanna talk to like minded people.

 

You should email the folks at MMORPG then and tell then they mind as well shut the site down as there is little reason to talk about games and share our opinions about them.

Sharing your opinion is fine, but how long do you have press it? See you are twisting it. Don't do that. You're just mad I called you out on being a giant baby.

Originally posted by observer

Reminds me of that one game involving a barbarian, and we all know how that turned out.

Unless the Abyss turns into a complete train wreck this game doesn't have the inherent flaws AoC had that made that game a drag post Tortage.

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Actually, I think the game starts out well, but as you get to 20 it really starts to fall apart and show its 'Korean game' roots.  So if by excessive bitching you mean I have been honest in my analysis of the game giving it credit for things I think are good ad criticizing things I think it does poorly then I guess you are correct.

 

Reminds me of that one game involving a barbarian, and we all know how that turned out.

Ya but that's because of lack of content and that was after about level 45.  This game has content and keeps you interested at least from my point of view.  Post 20 doesn't have a crap ton of quests to get you to 30.  Even after that it's just the same.  That's why they have dungeons/instances to help you level and get gear to pvp.  Either that pvp be rifts or abyss.  People in MMO's now really just want everything handed to them on a silver platter and if it doesn't they say the game sucks.  God I miss the days where there were no quests and everyone just grinded.  At least no one complained.

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by greed0104

Pretty much every AION thread I have browsed through has you pissing and moaning about something. Sure you have been honest in your analysis, I never doubted that, it's an opinion after all. But either you like it or don't. No need to tell everybody about it, most people playing a game don't wanna listen to your negativity, they wanna talk to like minded people.

 

You should email the folks at MMORPG then and tell then they mind as well shut the site down as there is little reason to talk about games and share our opinions about them.

 

Sharing your opinion is fine, but how long to you have press it? See you are twisting it. Don't do that. You're just mad I called you out on being a giant baby.

Smith he's trying to say that there's a difference in sharing your opinion in a well thought out manner, than what you do, which is just complain and pretty much hate everything people actually LIKE about the game.

You entitled to your opinion, but when you hate and complain about everyone else's, than your obviously thinking that yours is right.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Actually, I think the game starts out well, but as you get to 20 it really starts to fall apart and show its 'Korean game' roots.  So if by excessive bitching you mean I have been honest in my analysis of the game giving it credit for things I think are good ad criticizing things I think it does poorly then I guess you are correct.

 

It's interesting you feel that way.  For me, it's the exact opposite.  i elt the game started out rather weak and quite boring and got more interesting the further I played especially post 20.

What got me interested was the myriad of options and items and elements in the game (love the manastone socketing of items for instance, great idea) and all the various pots and foods.  I felt the world was OK to good, a tad linear and smallish but mostly cool.  I felt MOBs where a bit too tightly packed in sometimes though leaving little room to do anything but overpower and plow through.  I loved the classes and how each was unique though I am not sure I found one that really suited my style (took a cleric to 18 and a Sorc to 19 in live and did Assasin to 12 or so in OB).  Starting out classes where a bit bland but that is from the archetype to 10 and specialize after, levels 10 to 15 or so are really fun with lots of new skills and abilities opening up. 

But I found that as I got towards 20 it just became very repetitive, very workmanlike, and not so much about what I did in the moment.  A weakness to me for all MMOs is they often tend to be too much about what level or class you are or what gear you have when a fight starts rather than what you do during the fight, and with Aion this really started to show through but in PvE MOB scaling was really nonsensical in some areas making it very annoying.  I recall at level 19, with a group, being in Black Claw area and a level 18 (two white dots) MOB two shot kills me from full health.  Now I am all for elite MOBs and squishy casters and the like but are you kidding me?  A level below, no indicator of this elite status, and while it would take me 5 minutes of spell spaming he turns and 2 hits and I am dead?  That kind of discombobulated scaling in PvE seemed prevalent (i.e. MOBs in the Impetusium area that level above or levels below always resist insanely frequently). 

With the PvE going bland and boring and even broken in some areas I jsut had no interest in continuing through it all to get to PvP that is mostly not my type.  It isn't that I wouldn't find it somewhat enjoyable, I just think the cost of entry (i.e. all the time it takes to get there and level up through a lackluster PvE) is not worth it.  I think Aion would be a great game if they would do a Guild Wars type thing and hurry you up through the levels to get to PvP.  But as it is now it seems that, mostly, early on PvPvE is meant to create gank targets for the rift folks and later on in the abyss it is just going to be guild verse guild fighting over miscellaneous e-peen loot.  I just don't see much, if any, individual or small group PvP in this game.

Originally posted by Vulnero87

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Actually, I think the game starts out well, but as you get to 20 it really starts to fall apart and show its 'Korean game' roots.  So if by excessive bitching you mean I have been honest in my analysis of the game giving it credit for things I think are good ad criticizing things I think it does poorly then I guess you are correct.

 

Reminds me of that one game involving a barbarian, and we all know how that turned out.

Ya but that's because of lack of content and that was after about level 45.  This game has content and keeps you interested at least from my point of view.  Post 20 doesn't have a crap ton of quests to get you to 30.  Even after that it's just the same.  That's why they have dungeons/instances to help you level and get gear to pvp.  Either that pvp be rifts or abyss.  People in MMO's now really just want everything handed to them on a silver platter and if it doesn't they say the game sucks.  God I miss the days where there were no quests and everyone just grinded.  At least no one complained.

I think you are right to a degree, people do want things handed to them and too many MMOs are totally soloable and devoid of any challenges or even hardships.  However, the thing that did Aion in for me was seeing what they equate as a challenge and for the most part it is time spent.  I don't find that a real challenge, at least not by itself.  So yeah, you can do the rinse and repeat thing and grind where there are content holes and get to the end but that is a somewhat hollow challenge as the only thing to overcome is the boredom of a mindless grind. So I applaud Aion for not being another easy mode MMO, but I think they missed the mark on what type of game they want to be at least in this market.  A EQ or Vanguard style churn it out game is fine, I would welcome it actually, but you got to have a quality PvE world to support that and I don't think Aion does.  It has a makeshift PvE world just substantive enough to get you through to the Abyss and rifts if you can grind through it here and there.

Originally posted by Vulnero87

God I miss the days where there were no quests and everyone just grinded.  At least no one complained.

Lineage 2 FTW :)

Originally posted by AgtSmith

You should email the folks at MMORPG then and tell then they mind as well shut the site down as there is little reason to talk about games and share our opinions about them.

You've shared yours, but you never add anything to the conversation.  You are a broken record.

It's ok thought, the Block function on this board works just fine.

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

At first I was skeptical on the idea of rift pvp, I imagined everyone would just zone through, spread out and go at alone picking off easy targets.

Well through my few excursions through the rifts this is not the case. It's really nice to see players willingness to group up during rifts. Just a few mins ago I was roaming with a small group, gave me a feeling i haven't felt since my days in DAoC. I haven't been to the abyss yet so I have no idea what that will be like, but with any luck im hoping it'll be just as fun, if not more.

Just giving Aion credit for making open world PvP enjoyable.

So is anyone else enjoying the PvP in this game? If not, explain what you don't like about it, and how you think it could be improved.

I havn't exactly played, my copy will arrive tomorrow. But my girlfriend plays, I been watching her and a few people doing PvP in the abyss. It looks fun. world PvP is something I have been missing. So I'm counting the hours till tomorrow. Still deciding on a class though. Down to either Sorcerer or Assassin, probably will play the former.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Glad you are enjoying it but to me Aion PvP is completely unappealing.  I know many will disagree but I think large scale MMO PvP is pretty stupid as for the most part it is just about who has the most numbers or most numbers of high level/gear people far more than being about any one, or even several, player's actions.  And outside of large groups the frequency and likelihood of it simply being gank or be ganked is too common. 

 

I am all for PvP, even non consensual PvP like the rifts, but if it is not a couple players on a couple players then it just becomes a big mess of our group crushes you group or my group owns this or that straggler and it not at all skillful or engaging.  It would be one thing if Aion had a big open world, but it doesn't.  Rifts in small linear areas only mean that initially those caught of guard get ganked then the other side gathers and responds and once that happens it is just a big mess of spell spamming and other such things.  No my cup of tea at all.

I just want to point out a few inaccuracies with your post mr smith. Having more people and better gear < skill. There is a Aion video which I cant be bothered to find at the moment as im at work. However my point is, the video shows a group of 6 Elyos taking on over 20 asmodians at the same time. Now... if thats not skill I dont know what is. Clearly, zergs in this game dont automatically mean a win.

Aion may not be a big open world, however no game you can mention has a open world except maybe darkfall? And we all know how that ended up. WOW/AOC/WAR/EVE are all zoned envorinments. They may be large zones but zones nonetheless. Also you state that you think large scale MMO pvp is pretty stupid? Why are you even trying this game with that in mind? Considering that Aion is purely based on large group and army sized pvp sieges? Just a thought, but I think your in the wrong game.

Originally posted by Vulnero87

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Actually, I think the game starts out well, but as you get to 20 it really starts to fall apart and show its 'Korean game' roots.  So if by excessive bitching you mean I have been honest in my analysis of the game giving it credit for things I think are good ad criticizing things I think it does poorly then I guess you are correct.

 

Reminds me of that one game involving a barbarian, and we all know how that turned out.

Ya but that's because of lack of content and that was after about level 45.  This game has content and keeps you interested at least from my point of view.  Post 20 doesn't have a crap ton of quests to get you to 30.  Even after that it's just the same.  That's why they have dungeons/instances to help you level and get gear to pvp.  Either that pvp be rifts or abyss.  People in MMO's now really just want everything handed to them on a silver platter and if it doesn't they say the game sucks.  God I miss the days where there were no quests and everyone just grinded.  At least no one complained.

"People in MMO's now really just want everything handed to them on a silver platter and if it doesn't they say the game sucks."

I call this the World of Warcraft effect, its turned mmorpg players into whiney lil kids, that complain if everything is not handed to them.

Originally posted by Scyris

Originally posted by Vulnero87

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Actually, I think the game starts out well, but as you get to 20 it really starts to fall apart and show its 'Korean game' roots.  So if by excessive bitching you mean I have been honest in my analysis of the game giving it credit for things I think are good ad criticizing things I think it does poorly then I guess you are correct.

 

Reminds me of that one game involving a barbarian, and we all know how that turned out.

Ya but that's because of lack of content and that was after about level 45.  This game has content and keeps you interested at least from my point of view.  Post 20 doesn't have a crap ton of quests to get you to 30.  Even after that it's just the same.  That's why they have dungeons/instances to help you level and get gear to pvp.  Either that pvp be rifts or abyss.  People in MMO's now really just want everything handed to them on a silver platter and if it doesn't they say the game sucks.  God I miss the days where there were no quests and everyone just grinded.  At least no one complained.

 

"People in MMO's now really just want everything handed to them on a silver platter and if it doesn't they say the game sucks."

I call this the World of Warcraft effect, its turned mmorpg players into whiney lil kids, that complain if everything is not handed to them.

yep your right

blizzard game should say on the box

SPOON FED BUY BLIZZARD

As much as people like to try and blame WoW for everything wrong with mmos today I hate to break it to you but they were around before WoW.  All that game did was make mmorpgs more mainstream in general therefore increasing the amount of those wonderful types of players with their "wholesome, good natured, and team player"mentality to the genre.

ITs a ganking game.. people zerg charge kill and then everyone goes back to grind until next gankfest arrives.

IF you call that pvp.. see i dont even see any skill on it.. nor chalenge to be honest.

You are grinding.. alone or with friends and then bam.. 40 or whatever guys land on you and gank you..

After a bit you get pi***d and go with another 20 or so friends to do the same to the other side..

If you think this kind of crappy gaming requires skill or whatever.. wake up it doesnt. Doesnt matter if you good or bad, if you using top or crappy gear.. only numbers and level matters.. no skill nothing to win from it either.

So.. i wont agree saying rift pvp is great.. id rather say GANKING fest in RIFT finds a GREAT example hehe op shoudl rather change the topic to  "Rift Ganking is great" instead ;)

I went through my first rift as a 22 chanter last night.  It was late so I figured, why not?

I was transported to a great grinding spot with nodes at 115 extraction which is exactly what I needed and level 22 dinosaur things.

I kept grinding until I saw a group of 3 Elyos standing far away from me just watching me.  I moused over them and then remembered I couldn't see their level!  Three ?? just standing there.  And then it hit me, they saw the same thing and had no idea what level I was.

I kept grinding away acting like I didn't have a care in the world and even pointed at them and waved.  This seemed to scare them.  It was a bit like bluffing in poker.  They were watching me to see if I was scared and I was watching them to see if they were headed my way.

Finally I just figured, what the hell, and started moving directly at them and they turned and ran!  I guess they figured if I had the balls to attack them, then they better run.

Fun, fun, fun.

Originally posted by scodavis

I went through my first rift as a 22 chanter last night.  It was late so I figured, why not?

 

I was transported to a great grinding spot with nodes at 115 extraction which is exactly what I needed and level 22 dinosaur things.

 

I kept grinding until I saw a group of 3 Elyos standing far away from me just watching me.  I moused over them and then remembered I couldn't see their level!  Three ?? just standing there.  And then it hit me, they saw the same thing and had no idea what level I was.

 

I kept grinding away acting like I didn't have a care in the world and even pointed at them and waved.  This seemed to scare them.  It was a bit like bluffing in poker.  They were watching me to see if I was scared and I was watching them to see if they were headed my way.

Finally I just figured, what the hell, and started moving directly at them and they turned and ran!  I guess they figured if I had the balls to attack them, then they better run.

 

Fun, fun, fun.

 

lol they were probasbly level 30

this is good fun for you lol

ty for sharing