Originally posted by Trubaduren

Yeah well, then you can see why they dont like the U.S. I sure as hell woulden't.

They would hate the U.S no matter what the U.S did.

Plus the U.S has been attacked by Islam ever since Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Adams and James Madison were around.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Yeah well, then you can see why they dont like the U.S. I sure as hell woulden't.

 

They would hate the U.S no matter what the U.S did.

Lol, why on earth would they do that? If U.S stopped with the sanctions and all the policing the world, no one would hate them. Does anyone hate like sweden? Who hasn't had a war in like 200 years? No, no one hates Sweden.

Originally posted by Trubaduren .

 

Lol, why on earth would they do that? If U.S stopped with the sanctions and all the policing the world, no one would hate them. Does anyone hate like sweden? Who hasn't had a war in like 200 years? No, no one hates Sweden.

They can go postal on any European country very easily...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

www.youtube.com/watch

Now this is interesting.

 MALMO, Sweden — Swedish authorities in the southern city of Malmo (search) have been busy with a sudden influx of Muslim immigrants — 90 percent of whom are unemployed and many who are angry and taking it out on the country that took them in.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139614,00.html

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Yeah well, then you can see why they dont like the U.S. I sure as hell woulden't.

 

They would hate the U.S no matter what the U.S did.

 

Lol, why on earth would they do that? If U.S stopped with the sanctions and all the policing the world, no one would hate them. Does anyone hate like sweden? Who hasn't had a war in like 200 years? No, no one hates Sweden.

He makes a good point

Everyone loves Sweden.

Originally posted by Gameloading

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Say that to the thousands of Dutch victims of bigotry targeted by Muslim youths in major Dutch cities.

this article may be old but its still has a lot meaning today.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3974179.stm

Yeah well, they've kinda put them in one place, whihc is indeed stupid. But overall its like 8% or something here. Never the less, im not racist, so it doesn't really bother me. Also, stop beliving everything you read on the news. It's pretty much propaganada, especially when it comes from the U.S towards Muslims. But then again im guessing you are on of those neo-conservatives, so i think that kinda says it all. rofl.

Originally posted by Trubaduren

But then again im guessing you are on of those neo-conservatives, so i think that kinda says it all. rofl.

Am guessing you're one of those leftist moonbats or a north African immigrant who lives in Malmo.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Trubaduren

But then again im guessing you are on of those neo-conservatives, so i think that kinda says it all. rofl.

 

Am guessing you're one of those leftist moonbats or a north African immigrant who lives in Malmo.

No, not really. Im white, im a libertarian. Now go be a good boy and vote for McCain, or Obama..not much difference.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 They should make an mmo out of the bible.  It's one of the best works of fiction out there.

I recall seeing a PnP tabletop RPG much like D&D called Testament and it takes place in the biblical times. So maybe they can base the MMO on that? If they can base an MMO on the Lord of the Rings, which Tolkein  created to as an alternate English mythology, why not the Old Testament. With as much death, murder, greed and sex in the Old Testament, it should be a hit!

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Yeah well, then you can see why they dont like the U.S. I sure as hell woulden't.

 

They would hate the U.S no matter what the U.S did.

 

Lol, why on earth would they do that? If U.S stopped with the sanctions and all the policing the world, no one would hate them. Does anyone hate like sweden? Who hasn't had a war in like 200 years? No, no one hates Sweden.

And the Swiss didn't assist the Nazis did they. Or hid Nazi money in their banks.  You may hold Switzerland in high reguards but I think they are immoral war profiteers. You could have genicide on your border and would claim neutrality.  I am sure you will deny all that too.  I don't want evil countries to like the US. If they liked us, we would be no better than them.

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Yeah well, then you can see why they dont like the U.S. I sure as hell woulden't.

 

They would hate the U.S no matter what the U.S did.

 

Lol, why on earth would they do that? If U.S stopped with the sanctions and all the policing the world, no one would hate them. Does anyone hate like sweden? Who hasn't had a war in like 200 years? No, no one hates Sweden.

 

And the Swiss didn't assist the Nazis did they. Or hid Nazi money in their banks.  You may hold Switzerland in high reguards but I think they are immoral war profiteers. You could have genicide on your border and would claim neutrality.  I am sure you will deny all that too.  I don't want evil countries to like the US. If they liked us, we would be no better than them.

OK so you're talking about something completely irrevelant...it's so irrelevant that i got confused by thinking you were so stupid into thinking Switzerland was the same country and Sweden, i wouldn't be suprised if u had done, the amount of dumb americans i've come across...

I find it hilarious that Americans are trying to tell us Europeans how it is in Europe, priceless stupidity...

Edit: On Topic: Meh, the Bible has been changed so many times,  it's hard to tell what's original and what's not...

Originally posted by murdera2k6

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Yeah well, then you can see why they dont like the U.S. I sure as hell woulden't.

 

They would hate the U.S no matter what the U.S did.

 

Lol, why on earth would they do that? If U.S stopped with the sanctions and all the policing the world, no one would hate them. Does anyone hate like sweden? Who hasn't had a war in like 200 years? No, no one hates Sweden.

 

And the Swiss didn't assist the Nazis did they. Or hid Nazi money in their banks.  You may hold Switzerland in high reguards but I think they are immoral war profiteers. You could have genicide on your border and would claim neutrality.  I am sure you will deny all that too.  I don't want evil countries to like the US. If they liked us, we would be no better than them.

I don't think you can blame the American eduction system on this one...this is PURE stupidity, SWITZERLAND is not SWEDEN, they are two different countries, this renders your WHOLE post pointless. Please learn the countries of the world first the talk about Europe.

I find it hilarious that Americans are trying to tell us Europeans how it is in Europe, priceless stupidity...

Edit: On Topic: Meh, the Bible has been changed so many times,  it's hard to tell what's original and what's not...

Ahh...those damn Swedish banks....and I always thought that it was Swiss who were known for the bank accounts! Now ya got me all confused.. Do a google search on Nazi and Switerland before posting. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/869789.stm

http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/c010699a.html

http://www.german-way.com/gerpast.html

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/feature/The_hidden_past_of_Swiss_Nazi_era_volunteers.html?siteSect=119&sid=10167040&rss=true&ty=st

there is pages and pages of this shit.

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Trubaduren

Originally posted by Vemoi

When are we going to get a thread dissing the Koran? Guess ya don't want your head hacked off.

 

Aha, so the Bible is better than the Koran? Despite the Koran been written by god himself?

 

And you don't want to get your head hacked off,,,,,,,,or stabbed to death,  with a note from a fanatic left on your chest.

How did I know you were from Europe before I even checked? I guess when you are being out-populated by Islamic fanitics you don't want to anger people.

 

 

Actually people in Europe aren't out populated by Islamic fanatics.

 

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I sniped away your post because it's long and, unsurprisingly, doesn't contain any actual numbers.

But rest assured, I actually do have numbers.

The Telegraph research predicts that it's going to take untill 2050 before 20% of Europe is Muslim.
So what does this mean? It means that this day, People in Europe are not even close to being out populated by muslims let alone muslim fanatics and won't be for a very, very long time if ever.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994045/A-fifth-of-European-Union-will-be-Muslim-by-2005.html

Originally posted by Precusor

Why is it that the apologists always seems to leave out the suffering of millions of Christians/Gays/Women/Hindus/Buddhists/ Asians and Africans under Islamic violence?

 

Ever checked the history of Christianity?

Oh for those who have the illusion nutcases only exist on the islamic side:

adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

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When you consider that 43% here is Christian, it's big but not enormous and ofcourse this will only happen if things keep going exactly the way they are, which I doubt it will.

 To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

 

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

Originally posted by Trubaduren

We all know there is alot of bullshit in the bible. Well, atleast from one perspective.  I mean, if you are for hating jews, having slaves and all that, i guess it's cool. It's just that the Bible itself doesn't really refeclt the religion i think, since theres so much "Wrong" in it. Especially since its been compiled by the most part of Paulus (who indeed was a weird sob). I mean first he kinda hates Christians, but then he understand they got influence and all that crap, so then he joins them? And compiles a great amount to the bible itself? Despite that, the bible, as we konw consists of different parts from variouse different people.

Now, I've heard alot of "Good christians" as they like to call themselves say "The bible isn't some kind of buffe, where you can pick what you want" Does that intale you have to follow it to every point? I know there are crazy ass christians out there, but come on? Can you really say that when it's "okey" to have slaves according to the bible? I think not. Granted 98% doesn't give a crap about those parts (which they indeed is right). But im just a bit confused when they are reading the bible and come to those ap shit parts and then after wards say "That Bible is a good read indeed".

 

Let me see; In the first 30 pages- most people at the start live to 800, 900 years old. Noah got to 950! There is homosexual incestial rape, more incestial rape this time because one of the women can't have kids. Then there are multiple versions of the Bible and multiple denomination that dont recognise certain parts of the Bible. It is also 750,000 words long. A book has to be really, really good to justify being that long purely from a literary perspective. There are giants too called Nephilim, I mean come on, if dinosaur fossils can be found where are these fossils if they allegedly only a few thousand years old?

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

You're a total Christianophobe man.  Proposition 8 passed in California, one of the if not the most liberal state in the country.  Hardly a bastion of Christianity.  And the politicians who run the state (who are also overwhelmingly liberal) had nothing to do with the passage of the initiative.  It was voted on by the citizens of California.  If you took a poll of those who voted for it, I'd be curious to see how many of them voted in favor of it because of their religious convictions.  Probably not as many as you think.

In fact, 70% of blacks voted in favor of Prop 8 which is the single biggest reason it passed.  So perhaps there is a bit of racism in your statement (I don't actually believe that, I just thought I'd employ a tactic commonly used by the left.  Throw racism in there as a means to try to discredit your opponents position).

I'm curious as to why you are so quick to defend Islam when many of its followers who are in power are eager to kill homosexuals, whereas, the Bible simply characterizes it as a sin.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

 

You're a total Christianophobe man.  Proposition 8 passed in California, one of the if not the most liberal state in the country.  Hardly a bastion of Christianity.  And the politicians who run the state (who are also overwhelmingly liberal) had nothing to do with the passage of the initiative.  It was voted on by the citizens of California.  If you took a poll of those who voted for it, I'd be curious to see how many of them voted in favor of it because of their religious convictions.  Probably not as many as you think.

In fact, 70% of blacks voted in favor of Prop 8 which is the single biggest reason it passed.  So perhaps there is a bit of racism in your statement (I don't actually believe that, I just thought I'd employ a tactic commonly used by the left.  Throw racism in there as a means to try to discredit your opponents position).

I'm curious as to why you are so quick to defend Islam when many of its followers who are in power are eager to kill homosexuals, whereas, the Bible simply characterizes it as a sin.

I see that statement about Cristians pushing their views on everyone all the time even from middle of the road friends.  If it is true then they are doing a poor job of it.

Everything that has happened in the US for the past 30-40 years is nearly the exact opposite of that statement. Abortion is a big one. It was never voted on but was pushed into law by the left through unelected judges. There are daily stories about people getting into trouble for praying which is actually a right under the constitution. In the past 8 months the government has taken over banks and car companies and keep spending us into oblivion. Christians can't do that. 

Islam is given a pass on "pushing their views on others" even though they do it by gunpoint....or I should say bombs and knives. 1% are fanitics is a BS number. I have never heard one that low. 10% is more accurate but even than there is never any comdemnation by their fellow Muslims. That enough proof for me that the number not condoning the fanatic's actions is WAY higher than 10%.

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

 

You're a total Christianophobe man.  Proposition 8 passed in California, one of the if not the most liberal state in the country.  Hardly a bastion of Christianity.  And the politicians who run the state (who are also overwhelmingly liberal) had nothing to do with the passage of the initiative.  It was voted on by the citizens of California.  If you took a poll of those who voted for it, I'd be curious to see how many of them voted in favor of it because of their religious convictions.  Probably not as many as you think.

In fact, 70% of blacks voted in favor of Prop 8 which is the single biggest reason it passed.  So perhaps there is a bit of racism in your statement (I don't actually believe that, I just thought I'd employ a tactic commonly used by the left.  Throw racism in there as a means to try to discredit your opponents position).

I'm curious as to why you are so quick to defend Islam when many of its followers who are in power are eager to kill homosexuals, whereas, the Bible simply characterizes it as a sin.

 

I see that statement about Cristians pushing their views on everyone all the time even from middle of the road friends.  If it is true then they are doing a poor job of it.

Everything that has happened in the US for the past 30-40 years is nearly the exact opposite of that statement. Abortion is a big one. It was never voted on but was pushed into law by the left through unelected judges.  There are daily stories about people getting into trouble for praying which is actually a right under the constitution. In the past 8 months the government has taken over banks and car companies and keep spending us into oblivion.  Government "take over" of banks and car companies has nothing to do with Religion.  Just more sensationalism and off-topic BS.   Christians can't do that.

Islam is given a pass on "pushing their views on others" even though they do it by gunpoint....or I should say bombs and knives. 1% are fanitics is a BS number. I have never heard one that low. 10% is more accurate but even than there is never any comdemnation by their fellow Muslims. That enough proof for me that the number not condoning the fanatic's actions is WAY higher than 10%.

Originally posted by Trubaduren

If you count the U.S as chirstians, they have killed more innocent people than the Muslims have over the past few decades i can say. It's not like the muslims started this thing. It started with the U.S doing a coupe in Iran, and overthrowing the Sha. Thats when the problem started.

I blame Jimmy Carter.  What a wuss...

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

 

You're a total Christianophobe man.  Proposition 8 passed in California, one of the if not the most liberal state in the country.  Hardly a bastion of Christianity.  And the politicians who run the state (who are also overwhelmingly liberal) had nothing to do with the passage of the initiative.  It was voted on by the citizens of California.  If you took a poll of those who voted for it, I'd be curious to see how many of them voted in favor of it because of their religious convictions.  Probably not as many as you think.

In fact, 70% of blacks voted in favor of Prop 8 which is the single biggest reason it passed.  So perhaps there is a bit of racism in your statement (I don't actually believe that, I just thought I'd employ a tactic commonly used by the left.  Throw racism in there as a means to try to discredit your opponents position).

I'm curious as to why you are so quick to defend Islam when many of its followers who are in power are eager to kill homosexuals, whereas, the Bible simply characterizes it as a sin.

Where did you get this strange idea that liberals can't be christian? Nearly 80% of the United States is christian according to polls, there are tons of liberal christians. Ofcourse the motivation was religion because there is no other reason to restrict other peoples freedom like that.

I'm not "quick to defend islam", but there are clearly quite a few people who have this strange world view that all christians are good, respectable people and all muslims are part of an evil religion that wants to destroy America and Western Society.

Personally, I think the world would be much better off without both religions.

I also love how you attempt to imply as if I ever used a racism card.

jesus to Christ part 3 51 min
part 4 51min

Originally posted by Precusor

 You don't see millions murdered yearly in the name of Hindus/Buddha/Jews/Jesus.

Not quite millions yearly but pretty much most religions are culpable.

2002  www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rampaging-hindus-burn-muslim-children-alive-658839.html

2007 www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1573797/Hindu-mobs-ransack-churches-in-India.html

And this one is all about the killing of palastinians by the Israeli Jew as being religious.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8232340.stm

Oh and didn't G. W. Bush say he was told by God to invade Iraq? Seems pretty religious orientated to me.

Is likely to be only Buddhists who are free of taint.