Ok so since their entire story is good vs evil, and about a man with good intentions going down a wrong path... can I do that too?

Can i start as a jedi and be kicked from the order to become a sith. Ive searched and came up empty only to find them mention light side / dark side points - does this mean if i commit enough evil deeds as a jedi then i can turn sith and gain differnt powers while losing some?

Thanks for any posts

As for as I know you can be a Dark Jedi and on the other side of the coin you can be a Light Sith. I'm not really sure how thats going to play out in game as for as turning into a Sith from Jedi or vise versa but it's any ones guess atm.

As far as I know. Dark, Light and Gray will affect abilities you have access to. Every class, not just sith/jedi, will be the same way.

And to answer your quetion OP, that is still unknown.

Originally posted by Gamer_17

Ok so since their entire story is good vs evil, and about a man with good intentions going down a wrong path... can I do that too?

Can i start as a jedi and be kicked from the order to become a sith. Ive searched and came up empty only to find them mention light side / dark side points - does this mean if i commit enough evil deeds as a jedi then i can turn sith and gain differnt powers while losing some?

Thanks for any posts

since there will be jedi and sith specific classes from the begining i assume u wont be able to change side after, it would be cool and more "logical" though

you can be a dark jedi but you will still be under the jedi order (republic), i think thats what they said...kinda retarded

Originally posted by luffyownz

Originally posted by Gamer_17

Ok so since their entire story is good vs evil, and about a man with good intentions going down a wrong path... can I do that too?

Can i start as a jedi and be kicked from the order to become a sith. Ive searched and came up empty only to find them mention light side / dark side points - does this mean if i commit enough evil deeds as a jedi then i can turn sith and gain differnt powers while losing some?

Thanks for any posts

since there will be jedi and sith specific classes from the begining i assume u wont be able to change side after, it would be cool and more "logical" though

Ah but you miss BioWares main direction, Story. I'm curious if ToR will have that "Highway to Hell" or "Stairway to Heaven" choice. Where that choice will be the ONLY chance you have to switch. Staying or switching, I'm sure, unfolds into a nice story no matter the direction. 

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by luffyownz

Originally posted by Gamer_17

Ok so since their entire story is good vs evil, and about a man with good intentions going down a wrong path... can I do that too?

Can i start as a jedi and be kicked from the order to become a sith. Ive searched and came up empty only to find them mention light side / dark side points - does this mean if i commit enough evil deeds as a jedi then i can turn sith and gain differnt powers while losing some?

Thanks for any posts

since there will be jedi and sith specific classes from the begining i assume u wont be able to change side after, it would be cool and more "logical" though

 

Ah but you miss BioWares main direction, Story. I'm curious if ToR will have that "Highway to Hell" or "Stairway to Heaven" choice. Where that choice will be the ONLY chance you have to switch. Staying or switching, I'm sure, unfolds into a nice story no matter the direction. 

Yea that would be interesting, damn this game needs to come out soon lol.

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by luffyownz

Originally posted by Gamer_17

Ok so since their entire story is good vs evil, and about a man with good intentions going down a wrong path... can I do that too?

Can i start as a jedi and be kicked from the order to become a sith. Ive searched and came up empty only to find them mention light side / dark side points - does this mean if i commit enough evil deeds as a jedi then i can turn sith and gain differnt powers while losing some?

Thanks for any posts

since there will be jedi and sith specific classes from the begining i assume u wont be able to change side after, it would be cool and more "logical" though

 

Ah but you miss BioWares main direction, Story. I'm curious if ToR will have that "Highway to Hell" or "Stairway to Heaven" choice. Where that choice will be the ONLY chance you have to switch. Staying or switching, I'm sure, unfolds into a nice story no matter the direction. 

The devs said initially there would be no option or story for cross faction changes in SWTOR.  So unless that's changed...

OP, it's not good v. evil, it's Galactic Republic v. Sith Empire. There will be good and evil elements on both sides.

This idea, they very essence of Anakin's fall has been debated to death on the forums;

Using Anakin as an example he never crossed over into another faction, his own faction changed its good/evil alignment and he stayed the course.

The developers have said, to paraphrase the quote. "If you are a good Sith, truly light sided, would you leave your nation, your people to join those who had declared a war of genocide on your people? No you would not, you would try to do good from inside your own order."

Now to flip this to the other side of the coin. If you were truly doing ill for the "greater good" of the Republic, ala Anakin, would you join the "Sith" did he join the Seperatists? No you would not, you would go to extremes on your own end thinking that you were doing best for your people.

Anakin never betrayed and joined the other Army, he just climbed the ranks (by Jedicide) and did what he thought was best though it was evil, from inside the faction he already belonged to.

Alexis

*smiles*

I agree that it would be better and would make more sense if we were able to change factions, but I understand where they are coming from on the development side...

The problem is that they have created massive unique content for every character class. All of that content is situated on the home faction's territory for that particular class. If they were to allow people to change from the Republic to the Sith or vice-versa, they would need to have the same amount of content for each class available on the other side... which is obviously not something they are prepared to do.

I do think that this would work for the Sith/Jedi, however. All you would need to do is have a big difficult quest chain (with light/dark side point requirements) that would actually change the character's CLASS from Sith to Jedi or vice-versa. Then they can change factions, but are also becoming the class for which the other side's content is designed. I think this could actually work well for the Sith/Jedi. Unfortunately I don't see how this could work for any other classes. It wouldn't make sense for a smuggler to decide he is going to become a bounty hunter and instantly change all of his skills/items to reflect that. I expect that much of the abilities and gear for Sith/Jedi will be the same...

Originally posted by Cailieg

This idea, they very essence of Anakin's fall has been debated to death on the forums;

Using Anakin as an example he never crossed over into another faction, his own faction changed its good/evil alignment and he stayed the course.

The developers have said, to paraphrase the quote. "If you are a good Sith, truly light sided, would you leave your nation, your people to join those who had declared a war of genocide on your people? No you would not, you would try to do good from inside your own order."

Now to flip this to the other side of the coin. If you were truly doing ill for the "greater good" of the Republic, ala Anakin, would you join the "Sith" did he join the Seperatists? No you would not, you would go to extremes on your own end thinking that you were doing best for your people.

Anakin never betrayed and joined the other Army, he just climbed the ranks (by Jedicide) and did what he thought was best though it was evil, from inside the faction he already belonged to.

I think this is an accurate description of how it should be... you either support the Galactic Republic or the Sith Empire... and as a Jedi Knight or Sith Warrior you do what needs to be done to win... one man's good is another man's evil.

 So much misinformation in this thread.

They have specifically said that you cannot switch classes or factions.  If you pick a Sith in the beginning, you will always be a Sith and you will always be allied with the Sith.  What CAN change, is your moral alignment.  You can go from light-to-dark.  

Originally posted by ConverseSC

 So much misinformation in this thread.

 

They have specifically said that you cannot switch classes or factions.  If you pick a Sith in the beginning, you will always be a Sith and you will always be allied with the Sith.  What CAN change, is your moral alignment.  You can go from light-to-dark.  

 

They've also said (AGDC) that they MAY decide to allow for faction changes in the future, but for now they're just trying to insure that the storylines are well-done. The option is definitely being considered for future release though. I was paraphrasing of course.

But for the time being you're right. Moral alignment is all that will change.

Also, you - as well as everyone else - should consider that the history of development within MMOs has always led to transitions at a moment's notice, so anyone putting stock in what they've heard from whatever source they heard it from is going to be an ignorant resolution; one that may be knocked to the wayside.

The moral of this is to not get your hopes up (too high) in any way as to how things will work. For instance, I'm looking forward to the hero engine and companion process, but I'm not so sure that they will stick around.

Originally posted by mbd1968

Originally posted by Cailieg

This idea, they very essence of Anakin's fall has been debated to death on the forums;

Using Anakin as an example he never crossed over into another faction, his own faction changed its good/evil alignment and he stayed the course.

The developers have said, to paraphrase the quote. "If you are a good Sith, truly light sided, would you leave your nation, your people to join those who had declared a war of genocide on your people? No you would not, you would try to do good from inside your own order."

Now to flip this to the other side of the coin. If you were truly doing ill for the "greater good" of the Republic, ala Anakin, would you join the "Sith" did he join the Seperatists? No you would not, you would go to extremes on your own end thinking that you were doing best for your people.

Anakin never betrayed and joined the other Army, he just climbed the ranks (by Jedicide) and did what he thought was best though it was evil, from inside the faction he already belonged to.

I think this is an accurate description of how it should be... you either support the Galactic Republic or the Sith Empire... and as a Jedi Knight or Sith Warrior you do what needs to be done to win... one man's good is another man's evil.

I'm afraid i disagree, while i do apreciate Lucas' intention of dealing with the revolutionary paradox (today's freedom fighter becomes tomorrow's tyrant) he relied too much on Deus ex Machina to advance his plot. Anakin turns to the dark side out of misguided love for Padme, not idealism, and his slaying of the (i hesitate to use such a lame word) younglings is a clear cut evil act meant more to enforce Sith tradition (the rule of two) and Anakin's place in that order, than to rid the empire of an enemy or a threat that could've been easily handled by clone troopers. Dark Jedi in the expanded universe do not take upon themselves the title of Darth, nor do they necesarily seek to do evil. Indeed, most of them initially seek to help others and it is their use of evil methods (drawing on the dark side of the force) that betrays them. Sith do not delude themselves thinking that what they do is best for others, although they may claim so in order to corrupt. This is what sets them apart from dark Jedi philosophically, and allows them better self control. Anakin's claims to the contrary were really nothing but a passing tantrum and Vader's later disregard for the welfare of the empire's subjects (which included several instances of outright genocide, as in the destruction of Alderan) may be proof enough of a man more concerned with his own ends than any notion of idealism. Yes, Sith may still be able to sometimes show some kindness or loyalty, but that should not be mistaken with any concern for the greater good.

Now, SWTOR may very well allow a character to change his/her order (as Githany) or to simply leave it for a time (as Aayla Secura) but i must unfortunately say i see little chance of having both options, which would be needed to truly bring alive the ethics systems of force users.

Originally posted by Thasri

As for as I know you can be a Dark Jedi and on the other side of the coin you can be a Light Sith. I'm not really sure how thats going to play out in game as for as turning into a Sith from Jedi or vise versa but it's any ones guess atm.

From the available information this is correct. (As little sense as it makes, but this from the IP that brought you midichlorians, LOL)

I think you can also be a gay straight person, a black white guy, A republican democrat, and a male woman. Lots of options to choose as you progress through your story.

I think this request is hilarious.  Why would the Sith Empire want you just because you fell to the dark side? They can't trust each other, why in the world would they trust you? Why would you want to join them as they destroyed your home and your entire world as you know it?

the whole arguement is stupid and i'll tell you why

you should really be asking the republic why they dont want a sith on their side and the empire why they dont want a jedi on their side. because for thousands of years the sith and jedi have been fighting eachother because both think their side of the force and politics is the right way and no1 is guna convice eachother otherwise. Luke skywalker was a dark jedi but he didnt turn to the emperor and join him he still stayed with the rebel alliance.

Because the factions have seperate classes if you faction change halfway through your game your guna in theory lose all your story progress and skill choices and 1 be a different class. So the question is why cant you faction change and the reason is all of the above and because its plain stupid idea that wow drilled into your head that is possible but this isnt wow this is starwars a completely different universe where this kinda stupidity doesnt happen.

Originally posted by benmou13

the whole arguement is stupid and i'll tell you why

you should really be asking the republic why they dont want a sith on their side and the empire why they dont want a jedi on their side. because for thousands of years the sith and jedi have been fighting eachother because both think their side of the force and politics is the right way and no1 is guna convice eachother otherwise. Luke skywalker was a dark jedi but he didnt turn to the emperor and join him he still stayed with the rebel alliance.

Because the factions have seperate classes if you faction change halfway through your game your guna in theory lose all your story progress and skill choices and 1 be a different class. So the question is why cant you faction change and the reason is all of the above and because its plain stupid idea that wow drilled into your head that is possible but this isnt wow this is starwars a completely different universe where this kinda stupidity doesnt happen.

When was Luke a Dark Jedi? The Emperor tried to recruit him but failed, then tried to kill him when he refused?

woah someone does not know their films or starwars universe if a jedi gives into his emotions he or she becomes a dark jedi end of the retun of the jedi luke skywalker let his feelings get the better of him and struck darth vader down with his anger.

DUHHHHHHHHHH!

In reference to Luke becoming a dark jedi... That has to be refernce to the novels/graphic novels that followed "Return of the Jedi" where apparently the Emperor had learned how to transfer his mind into a younger stronger clone body of his own.  In those stories, Luke actually does become a dark jedi, and serves under the Emperor for a very short time...