Setting the time limit to 30 minutes isn't going to solve the problem... It will just make it so a lot of people will come back every 25 minutes to move a little bit and set it back up. That means the issue is not fixed at all seeing as it can still be 'abused'... The real issue is the lack of servers.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Sometimes you find better deals in personal shops then in auction house, I bought a frost sword (forgot exact name) for 5k and in AH cheapest was 10k.

Plus in AH you only have 10 slots or less were you can place items for sale.

Oh so it is ok for you to clutter the cities, make everyone lag and take up a spot on the server so you can sell more than 10 items.  Pretty selfish attitude if you ask me.  If you price your things right they will sell in the auction house fast.

I don't lag with stalls maybe it's your pc? Ncsoft said that the queues weren't ALL coming from the stalls. Now people that go to work/school can't leave their client on with stall because it's 30min so what's your problem?

Sometimes you can find an inexperienced newbie that sells something rare for a very cheap price, with auction you have the possibility to check other people's price so that you know how much you need to sell it for.

Stalls is the best way to make business but the only outcome is the huge space people take on maps while vending.

Cant believe people are still bitching about wether or not private shops should be in, LOL, I understand most of the ppl have been spoonfed the AH system through WoW and just cant understand how it works, but private shops just give more control to the players.

I find this really funny.  In FFXI you could set up your bazaar and be away from the game for days, people logged in and out without a queue.  Seems to me they are trying to launch a new game on the cheap and overload their servers.  They didn't solve a problem they created another one.  Eventually they are going to need to get new servers and then those who want to set up shop and go to bed will start complaining that they can't.

Everything about player shops is lame.

Why even have them when there is an auction house. Isn't half the point of the AH to reduce congestion and chat spam in the first place?

Lag has improved greatly since the time change on the shops. 

A new Western server has been added and NCSoft will be adding 1 European server and 1 Eastern USA server as well.

I do wish you could make more alts to have access to different servers than what they allow. Each person is only allowed 8 toons no matter which server you go to.

AH is for both the seller and the buyer.  the difference between the broker (AH) and the shops is the fee that is charged to the seller for putting their items up for sale.  Even though the fee is a bit of a drag I prefer it to having the scenery ruined by miles of personnal vendors everywhere.

I think that the shops is a bad idea as well.  I liked the FFXI idea where you could move around and people could buy from you on the fly. There would be some people who AFK'ed but not as bad as this game. Even when they did afk they would sit infront of the AH.

Originally posted by Nihilist

Everything about player shops is lame.

I disagree, I think player shops are a great idea. They add another level of depth into your character and I think it makes the whole Avatar/Player relationship more personal. Helps you feel more like you character, I mean.

Originally posted by Lansid

 Well... as I recall, you can have a toon in FFXI in shop mode for some time when it was released in NA and I don't remember being in a queue... So NCsoft doesn't want to shell out the cash to invest in more servers?

They said "we will continue to evaluate adding additional servers"... as if it's a choice? I'm glad to see they care about their player base as much as they did Tabula Rasa's.

There were no shops in FFXI but you could set up a bazaar. The difference is that the bazaar hung over your head and you could move around with it. The shop have to stay in one place.  So the shops in Aion cause crazy lag in the cities on top of taking a postion in the server for someone not even playing.  Shops didn't cause the ques however.  Excessive amounts of people trying to log in at once did.  Shops only compounded this problem because many people were not logging out. 

Anyone that plays MMOs should know that everyone palyer can not be on at once. This was the essential problem with the ques.  I fault NCsoft for the Pre-select and the Sunday launch.  Two critical mistakes that lead to rediculous wait times. So the problem is not really the servers but how much they could hold without crashing. 

Finally, Ncsoft has keep the players in the loop via the website and forums. They explained the issues and have work arounds for those issue.  Looks like they care to me. Maybe you should take a second look before making silly remarks.

Originally posted by Lathander81

Originally posted by Lansid

 Well... as I recall, you can have a toon in FFXI in shop mode for some time when it was released in NA and I don't remember being in a queue... So NCsoft doesn't want to shell out the cash to invest in more servers?

They said "we will continue to evaluate adding additional servers"... as if it's a choice? I'm glad to see they care about their player base as much as they did Tabula Rasa's.

 

There were no shops in FFXI but you could set up a bazaar. The difference is that the bazaar hung over your head and you could move around with it. The shop have to stay in one place.  So the shops in Aion cause crazy lag in the cities on top of taking a postion in the server for someone not even playing.  Shops didn't cause the ques however.  Excessive amounts of people trying to log in at once did.  Shops only compounded this problem because many people were not logging out. 

Anyone that plays MMOs should know that everyone palyer can not be on at once. This was the essential problem with the ques.  I fault NCsoft for the Pre-select and the Sunday launch.  Two critical mistakes that lead to rediculous wait times. So the problem is not really the servers but how much they could hold without crashing. 

Finally, Ncsoft has keep the players in the loop via the website and forums. They explained the issues and have work arounds for those issue.  Looks like they care to me. Maybe you should take a second look before making silly remarks.

How is that a silly remark. Majority of bazaars that were set up in FFXI were there 24/7. THe added bonus to the bazaar was you could roam around too. Honestly a 30 minute shop time sounds dumb to me. That doesn't really give alot of time for people to really look at those items being sold. Really the problem is that NCsoft wasn't ready for the popularity of a Korean MMO, since if you look at any other one that was released.

 Actually, I think they are ready. They don't want add new servers just because of the "Grand-Opening". You ever see a new store? Ever check out is manned; but in a week or so they maybe have 1/3 of them open. Only in the gaming community when you start closing down servers you get the "LOL! <game> is dieing". Plus it costs a heck of a lot more to "hire" new servers than hire people :P

They want to 'band aid'-fix the current situation until the rush is over and then they'll add servers.

But ya, 30min is to short; 1 hour is better...hopefully it'll be reverted once the rush is over. Was nice in Lineage II to go to bed and wake up to a bag full of adena :P

Truly amazing. No, not that players are doing this. The reaction to it.

HELLO!? This is 2009 isn't it?

Who exactly thought these player shops were a good idea? Why not implement the solution every single western MMO has come up with, an auction house?

It is better for the sellers as you don't need to be online to sell or be in the right location.

it is better for the buyers because they can compare prices and don't have to go from shop to shop to search for an item, even worse if you want to compare prices.

And it is better for the server as it means less load. Hell, instance the auction house and the load is even less.

Aion, if you enjoyed you the 90's era a bit to much. 

Its good to see them making changes for technical reasons rather

then the nonstop complaints from its troll baby population. 

The Q keyboard isn't has funny now as it was last week.

Even still you might think that NC Soft might do something about this matter. RMTs only drive the cost of items up to a point where everyone is almost forced to BUY in game money. WTF is the point in paying a monthly $15 to play the game AND then on top of that pay to buy in game money to afford items on the AH. Let me guess your one of the RMT, because you seem to not have much of an issue with this PROBLEM or you just have the extra money to blow on fake in game money that yields little to no reward for your RL bank account. Either way its a problem and in my case i have the game as collectors item and ill stop playing Aion after my FREE month that i paid for when buying the game. People who don't have an issue with this matter have issues themselves. As for the AH/Store issue. Maybe if they would let you place more than the alloted number of items on the AH at one time it wouldn't make such a big deal. I wouldn't have ten different items cramped into my storage or cube taking up the space i need to try and make my honest in game money to buy the outrageously priced items who's prices have been driven up thanks O so much to the GD RMTs the nobody else other than me seem to see as a problem.

 why are you guys from usa still posting about aion

aion in usa is dead you should be happy now go bash another game 

sw is coming friday go bash that 

aion is finished in usa

Again thats why I don't plan to KEEP paying for a game that is going to overrun with RMTs and making harder for those who play for the fun of the game and not to make a SMALL profit on the side while playing. If NC Soft REALLY dose care about Aion making it in the long run then the SERIOUSLY need to bring more servers into the mix to smooth out the congestion ban ALL RMTs and either increase the number of items aloud to be put up on the AH or make our stores able to be open at ALL times to provide everyone with items to be sold AFK or not, able to hock there loot. If these things don't get corrected i don't see myself and to be honest I'm sure many others, playing Aion for much longer than a few months.