Well.... I've been playing MMO's since UO hit the scene.  I won't go into my lengthy history but I will tell you about the 4 MMO's that I've joined during the launch.

1.  Anarchy Online

2.  World of Warcraft

3.  Tabula Rasa

4.  Fallen Earth

Sure, not much of a list when it comes to launching MMO's but I'm more of a "wait until it's ready" kind of a guy.  By far, the worste of the above list was WoW.  It wasn't even playable for days.  Lag doesn't even describe how nearly impossible it was to play for a few weeks.  Anarchy Online has to take the 2nd place here.  Not so much lag, but bugs galore.  Like a danky ghetto apartment in New York, it was FULL of bugs.  Worse was the economic crisis caused by widely known exploits.  Tabula Rasa was probably the smoothest though, as we know now, maybe it was lacking  in content soooo much.. it had nothign to be bugged!  Also, they had too many servers to start with so.. that wasn't much of an issue since people were spread out.

Okay, to the point... somewhere between WoW and Anarchy Online sits a little-known Sci-Fi game... Fallen Earth.  Here is my experience with Fallen Earth in it's first week of release:

1.  Saw it on MMORPG.  Sci-Fi?  Apocolypse?  :::reaches for wallet and pays immediately:::::

2.  Download game over high speed broadband.  Takes 3 hours. 

3. Install on Windows 7 64-bit.  Download update, another 2 hours.  Slow updating?

4.  Looks like hell on, client-side lag with my GF 7900S 480M (256Megs).  Wow, must be graphic intensive.  Card is too old.

5.  Buy used card from guy on Craigslist 8800GT 512MB ($30), install card.

6.  Play game, crashes.  Update video drivers.  Crashes.  WTF craigslist guy?  Play other games, work great... wtf Fallen Earth?

7.  Go to TigerDirect store and buy a GTS250 1gig ($149.99)

8.  Play game, crashes.  Update video drivers.

9.  Play game, doesn't crash.  It's been 3 days since launch.

10.  Playing the game in full graphics, as high as they can go...WTF?? I needed a GTS250 for THIS?  What you seen on the screen does not justify the requirements to run this game at full graphics.  It's like bringing a Formula One racing car to a go-cart race.

11.  Game play is good, making up for the graphics issue.  Excited! 

12.  I want to be a healer.  I LOVE healing and team-work.  Ask about teaming/healing in the /new player chat channel.  Hard to read answers, chat move fast, overcrowded channel.  

13.  Talk to 3 guys, 2 of them have been playing through beta.  Another one played in Alpha/Beta/Pre-Release and now release.  They all say the same thing, there is no healer class in the game because healing was not designed with "pure healer" in mind nor does healing really work in a way that you would have a "healer".  I ask "What about the Medic build when selecting your skills?".  I get a mix of reasons.  A.  The game isn't designed like typical MMO's and there is no "class" system.  B.  Teaming in the game isn't beneficial, it's rare to find challenges that require teaming.  C.  Healing in this game is a pain and most people get the first aid skill, eat food, and do other things to heal themselves like basic healing mutations, so no need for a healer.  Lame excuses. 

14.  Depressed, I wanted to heal.  It's my favorite kind of "support" position to play because I'm great with timing and love the praise you get for "Damn, you are the GOD of healing!".  I'm almost always a healer type in MMO's. 

15.  Re-roll.  Melee guy... tradeskilling Armor/Weapons. 

16.  Cannot get my free horse for signing up to the game early, you can only use the code 1 time on 1 character even though the horse cannot be sold or traded.  I ask about this in New Player and they say "it's going to be fixed".  Not officially from what I've seen.  New character has no horse even though I paid for it.

17.  Alright, it's Sunday.  It's been 7 days and I have the whole day to play!

18.  Mission lag is horrible.  You accept a mission, and it takes 5-10 minutes to actually see the mission in your journal.  Scavaging and Nature nodes (spots on the map to gather materials for crafting) are also lagging.  The map shows a spot, but when you run out to that spot, there is nothing to scavenge.

19.  5:00pm on my "mmo-all-day-sunday".  Servers down.

I would say, in the last week... I've actually had about 4 hours of real play time.  Some of it is my fault.  The graphics cards and such... I feel a little unhappy about the lack of teaming.  I even joined a Clan and they don't talk about teaming... they ask eachother typical noob launch questions and complain about bugs.  Good community though, most of the time.  I hear PVP is messed up... shooting through walls, magical 1-hit kills...

I'm going to hold out for 2 weeks. if the game cleans up enough I'll keep subbing.. but if it's going to be too messy... I'll give the game 6 months and come back. 

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Well.... I've been playing MMO's since UO hit the scene.  I won't go into my lengthy history but I will tell you about the 4 MMO's that I've joined during the launch.

 

1.  Anarchy Online

2.  World of Warcraft

3.  Tabula Rasa

4.  Fallen Earth

 

Sure, not much of a list when it comes to launching MMO's but I'm more of a "wait until it's ready" kind of a guy.  By far, the worste of the above list was WoW.  It wasn't even playable for days.  Lag doesn't even describe how nearly impossible it was to play for a few weeks.  Anarchy Online has to take the 2nd place here.  Not so much lag, but bugs galore.  Like a danky ghetto apartment in New York, it was FULL of bugs.  Worse was the economic crisis caused by widely known exploits.  Tabula Rasa was probably the smoothest though, as we know now, maybe it was lacking  in content soooo much.. it had nothign to be bugged!  Also, they had too many servers to start with so.. that wasn't much of an issue since people were spread out.

Okay, to the point... somewhere between WoW and Anarchy Online sits a little-known Sci-Fi game... Fallen Earth.  Here is my experience with Fallen Earth in it's first week of release:

 

1.  Saw it on MMORPG.  Sci-Fi?  Apocolypse?  :::reaches for wallet and pays immediately:::::

2.  Download game over high speed broadband.  Takes 3 hours. 

3. Install on Windows 7 64-bit.  Download update, another 2 hours.  Slow updating?

4.  Looks like hell on, client-side lag with my GF 7900S 480M (256Megs).  Wow, must be graphic intensive.  Card is too old.

5.  Buy used card from guy on Craigslist 8800GT 512MB ($30), install card.

6.  Play game, crashes.  Update video drivers.  Crashes.  WTF craigslist guy?  Play other games, work great... wtf Fallen Earth?

7.  Go to TigerDirect store and buy a GTS250 1gig ($149.99)

8.  Play game, crashes.  Update video drivers.

9.  Play game, doesn't crash.  It's been 3 days since launch.

10.  Playing the game in full graphics, as high as they can go...WTF?? I needed a GTS250 for THIS?  What you seen on the screen does not justify the requirements to run this game at full graphics.  It's like bringing a Formula One racing car to a go-cart race.

11.  Game play is good, making up for the graphics issue.  Excited! 

12.  I want to be a healer.  I LOVE healing and team-work.  Ask about teaming/healing in the /new player chat channel.  Hard to read answers, chat move fast, overcrowded channel.  

13.  Talk to 3 guys, 2 of them have been playing through beta.  Another one played in Alpha/Beta/Pre-Release and now release.  They all say the same thing, there is no healer class in the game because healing was not designed with "pure healer" in mind nor does healing really work in a way that you would have a "healer".  I ask "What about the Medic build when selecting your skills?".  I get a mix of reasons.  A.  The game isn't designed like typical MMO's and there is no "class" system.  B.  Teaming in the game isn't beneficial, it's rare to find challenges that require teaming.  C.  Healing in this game is a pain and most people get the first aid skill, eat food, and do other things to heal themselves like basic healing mutations, so no need for a healer.  Lame excuses. 

14.  Depressed, I wanted to heal.  It's my favorite kind of "support" position to play because I'm great with timing and love the praise you get for "Damn, you are the GOD of healing!".  I'm almost always a healer type in MMO's. 

15.  Re-roll.  Melee guy... tradeskilling Armor/Weapons. 

16.  Cannot get my free horse for signing up to the game early, you can only use the code 1 time on 1 character even though the horse cannot be sold or traded.  I ask about this in New Player and they say "it's going to be fixed".  Not officially from what I've seen.  New character has no horse even though I paid for it.

17.  Alright, it's Sunday.  It's been 7 days and I have the whole day to play!

18.  Mission lag is horrible.  You accept a mission, and it takes 5-10 minutes to actually see the mission in your journal.  Scavaging and Nature nodes (spots on the map to gather materials for crafting) are also lagging.  The map shows a spot, but when you run out to that spot, there is nothing to scavenge.

19.  5:00pm on my "mmo-all-day-sunday".  Servers down.

 

I would say, in the last week... I've actually had about 4 hours of real play time.  Some of it is my fault.  The graphics cards and such... I feel a little unhappy about the lack of teaming.  I even joined a Clan and they don't talk about teaming... they ask eachother typical noob launch questions and complain about bugs.  Good community though, most of the time.  I hear PVP is messed up... shooting through walls, magical 1-hit kills...

I'm going to hold out for 2 weeks. if the game cleans up enough I'll keep subbing.. but if it's going to be too messy... I'll give the game 6 months and come back. 

 

Pretty much my thoughts., but I am sticking around for my 30 days, for better, or worse. Too bad I bought digital download. Usually what I do with MMORPGs I quit is to toss the CDs in the microwave and fry the fuckers.

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

Are you sure? They are 5-8 hrs behind, not ahead... it's 6 PM on the east coast now...

Or maybe you are playing from 5 AM till 11 AM GMT..?. that's rare :D

DB

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

You know, I haven't even played it much so I don't know if teaming is something you actually DO see later on past level 5.  It's only something I've heard from "older" players.  I could be totally wrong and hope that's the case.

Yes, lag is horrible.  What's weird is how long it takes just to get to character selection after typing in your password.  It says "Collecting Data" for like 60 seconds.  Sure, not a long time but given all the other little wait times, taking 2 minutes just to get into the game is silly.   What's up with that?  Collecting what data?  Why?  lol

Most of what you said mirrors my experiences as well.  I am using the GTS 240 card though.  Have played a similar number of hours since launch mainly logging in to see if they resolved the Wasteland Strider issue then logging out because they haven't.

Lol the game is good but I feel gyped becuase I did the pre-order for the mount so it doesn't feel fun being logged in knowing gee I have a horse too if they ever fix it.  Have written Fallen Earth LLC twice so far with one computer generated reply in return so far and even tackled D2D as they are the ones I downloaded from. 

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

 

You know, I haven't even played it much so I don't know if teaming is something you actually DO see later on past level 5.  It's only something I've heard from "older" players.  I could be totally wrong and hope that's the case.

Yes, lag is horrible.  What's weird is how long it takes just to get to character selection after typing in your password.  It says "Collecting Data" for like 60 seconds.  Sure, not a long time but given all the other little wait times, taking 2 minutes just to get into the game is silly.   What's up with that?  Collecting what data?  Why?  lol

Use Frontend.exe instead of FEupdater.exe. It skips the collecting/synchronizing thingy and lets you login promptly.

Voila, one problem gone...

DB

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

Are you sure? They are 5-8 hrs behind, not ahead... it's 6 PM on the east coast now...

Or maybe you are playing from 5 AM till 11 AM GMT..?. that's rare :D

 

DB

haha rlly didnt work out the timezones on sats and sundays i play those hours dough and the lag is defintly less haha XD problem solved il just skip work and play fallen earth every morning XD

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

 

You know, I haven't even played it much so I don't know if teaming is something you actually DO see later on past level 5.  It's only something I've heard from "older" players.  I could be totally wrong and hope that's the case.

Yes, lag is horrible.  What's weird is how long it takes just to get to character selection after typing in your password.  It says "Collecting Data" for like 60 seconds.  Sure, not a long time but given all the other little wait times, taking 2 minutes just to get into the game is silly.   What's up with that?  Collecting what data?  Why?  lol

Today i tried to get a team together in a place where there is about 20 quests at diffrent stages all in about the same place and even though there was people questing there nowone wanted to come some clans seem to help each other out but finding people to help not in ur clan is outrageously hard XD

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

 

You know, I haven't even played it much so I don't know if teaming is something you actually DO see later on past level 5.  It's only something I've heard from "older" players.  I could be totally wrong and hope that's the case.

Yes, lag is horrible.  What's weird is how long it takes just to get to character selection after typing in your password.  It says "Collecting Data" for like 60 seconds.  Sure, not a long time but given all the other little wait times, taking 2 minutes just to get into the game is silly.   What's up with that?  Collecting what data?  Why?  lol

 

Use Frontend.exe instead of FEupdater.exe. It skips the collecting/synchronizing thingy and lets you login promptly.

Voila, one problem gone...

DB

Thanks!!! That worked! Scary-ugly load screen though lol

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

 

You know, I haven't even played it much so I don't know if teaming is something you actually DO see later on past level 5.  It's only something I've heard from "older" players.  I could be totally wrong and hope that's the case.

Yes, lag is horrible.  What's weird is how long it takes just to get to character selection after typing in your password.  It says "Collecting Data" for like 60 seconds.  Sure, not a long time but given all the other little wait times, taking 2 minutes just to get into the game is silly.   What's up with that?  Collecting what data?  Why?  lol

 

Use Frontend.exe instead of FEupdater.exe. It skips the collecting/synchronizing thingy and lets you login promptly.

Voila, one problem gone...

DB

 

Thanks!!! That worked! Scary-ugly load screen though lol

Well, not much to help now, as they are fixing the server atm... :(

Anyway, I'll go to sleep now, hoping for a Lagless Monday Night :)

DB

I left prior to their combat system revamp (about 2 months ago)

I solo'd the entire game except for Kingman's Prison. Kingman's was ultimately not worth it because we had to wait for a GM to reset the mobs 2 or 3 times and they ultimately couldn't fix it (it was beta, it's expected)

When I left the hardest challenge in the game was completed by a duo. Yup, two people.

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Even if common PvE doesn't require healing, I'm not sure if it will be useful in PvP.

Quite frankly I would spec healing and go Lightbearer because at some point healing will have some benefit...I would hope.

You also might want to look into Group Tactics. While not strictly healing, they are support and supposedly are of benefit.

Originally posted by scruffo

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

 

You know, I haven't even played it much so I don't know if teaming is something you actually DO see later on past level 5.  It's only something I've heard from "older" players.  I could be totally wrong and hope that's the case.

Yes, lag is horrible.  What's weird is how long it takes just to get to character selection after typing in your password.  It says "Collecting Data" for like 60 seconds.  Sure, not a long time but given all the other little wait times, taking 2 minutes just to get into the game is silly.   What's up with that?  Collecting what data?  Why?  lol

 

Today i tried to get a team together in a place where there is about 20 quests at diffrent stages all in about the same place and even though there was people questing there nowone wanted to come some clans seem to help each other out but finding people to help not in ur clan is outrageously hard XD

No kidding.  I stood in a large group of people and said /local Can anyone point me to the stables? Looking to buy a horse.

When you chat in /local a giant baloon comes out of your face showing what you are saying... it's VERY obvious when someone is talking in local.  Yet, nobody responded.  I am very polite but after 30 minutes of trying to find the stables, I just wanted a hand finding the place.  Nobody responded.  lol... strange.. it was a group of guys on horses...

As far as teaming goes, is there a "looking for group" window or something that I've not seen?  Is there a tool available in the game to help bring people together for teaming?

If you survived the launches for AO and WoW I'm surprised you are so disappointed with FE.  I really am sorry you had so much trouble with your graphics cards.  That sounds expensive.  I'm still using a GeForce 9800 and the graphics look fine to me.  I've played about 20 hours and had only two crashes.

The current lag is horrible, though.  I will stay with FE because the game features are so refreshingly enjoyable.  Hopefully they will be able to adjust their server architecture to handle the crowd better.

AO and WoW got things sorted out and went on to great success.  If FE can do half so well I'll be very pleased.

I don't know, alot of guys are trashing on this games graphics, and while yes I think that is something very subjective, i'm frankly not seeing it.  I think the graphics are quite good to be honest.

I do agree however that the engine they created is not very tuned, and thus results in higher system requirements than probably is neccessary.  Hopefully this is something that will be addressed, but who knows.

To be fair though, if you compare this game to WoW (which of course everyone is and will continue to do), the graphics engine is by large comparable to that I feel.  It isn't really graphically impressive, but realistically..what MMO's are. 

Also, christ WoW has been out going on 5 years, now, and it still can't have a patch successfully where the game isn't complete trash to play in (lag/falling through the world/ cant log in if your in a major city ect) for the first few days post launch, so I think really alot of the problems guys are experiencing lag wise are fairly common not only in ALL MMO's, but specifically at launch.

Really the updater still takes that long?

We all thought it was because it was beta or something...

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The community in Fallen Earth can be hit and miss. Do they not have volunteers helping any more (were called Hazmat in beta). They were pretty useful when you really needed to know something.

I completely understand your frustration, although in my case hardware is not the issue (or rather, my hardware capacity isn't the issue).

For me, the graphics at full settings look pretty good; not AoC amazing, but realistic and appealing. However, there are two places to set the graphics for the game.

One is by clicking the OPTIONS button on the launcher. Check that to make sure your resolution is correct and most importantly, that Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic filtering is clicked (check marks in the boxes).  For some reason, anti-aliasing isn't an option in the video setup once you get into the game. Once you check that box and get in-game, you'll notice that the jaggies are gone and the game already looks better.

Then check your settings in game. If your particular card can handle it, check the Post Process and Advanced Post Process effects, and set your Anisotropy Level for the highest you can on the slider.

See how the graphics look after that.

Now; with that said, there is obviously a memory leak in the program, because for many people it will still intermittently crash. Also, I agree that even though with the settings changes the graphics look much, much better, they're still not so advanced that it would seem to require top end hardware (although I still wouldn't expect to be able to use a 7900s to play... that card was a little old and a little skimpy on the memory side).

The only other thing I can say in their defense is that the "world" in Fallen Earth is pretty big and contiguous... in other words, once you get into the game, there's no instancing (at least, that I have encountered so far). So when you consider the area and sheer number of objects they are loading, the players, and the lack of instancing to conserve bandwidth, that is honestly quite an accomplishment.

Compare it to Vanguard, the only other game I can think of right now that basically has no zone loading, but still has lag at zone "chunks". The vast majority of MMORPGs today have at least moderate loading, or heavy instancing.

Yes, it's true that most players elect to diversify their character enough so they don't have to rely on grouping. With a world this large, I'm not sure I blame them; you never know when and how often you will end up on your own out in the boonies and wish you had taken some type of healing ability so you wouldn't have to run all the way back out to where you left your horse or ATV.

I haven't encountered the mission / salvage lag issue you are referring to, so I really can't comment on that. Pretty much every single time, when I accept an NPC mission or salvage something, their respective boxes pop right up. I have had a few instances of general server lag, especially in the heavy population areas, but nothing that was so problematic that I couldn't still enjoy the game.

I can say playing from the headstart to now, that even though the bugs and occasional lag in the game have been annoying, the world, storyline, crafting, etc., have been a lot of fun. Given that Icarus is a small independent studio, I'm honestly pretty impressed with what they've achieved. Other bigger and better financed studios achieved far less in my opinion (Sigil Games, for example).

Deciding how much time to give a developer to get their game in a state where the game play is enjoyable for you is a personal decision. For me, the game has been a real breath of fresh air, so I'm going to stick with it.  I think the developers have been pretty proactive.

Oh; and yes, it chaps my butt that the server is down today!

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Originally posted by scruffo

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Originally posted by scruffo

A lot of quests do require teaming to complete at the level there ment to be done at but what a lot of people do is just not do the quests that require teams witch is a shame,. And the lag issues with fallen earth are anoying me to hell im a uk player so wasnt expecting much lag as id be playing when most us people asleep but dam i think ive only played twice without having to wait for somthing to load or been unable to do somthing due to lagg

 

You know, I haven't even played it much so I don't know if teaming is something you actually DO see later on past level 5.  It's only something I've heard from "older" players.  I could be totally wrong and hope that's the case.

Yes, lag is horrible.  What's weird is how long it takes just to get to character selection after typing in your password.  It says "Collecting Data" for like 60 seconds.  Sure, not a long time but given all the other little wait times, taking 2 minutes just to get into the game is silly.   What's up with that?  Collecting what data?  Why?  lol

 

Today i tried to get a team together in a place where there is about 20 quests at diffrent stages all in about the same place and even though there was people questing there nowone wanted to come some clans seem to help each other out but finding people to help not in ur clan is outrageously hard XD

 

No kidding.  I stood in a large group of people and said /local Can anyone point me to the stables? Looking to buy a horse.

When you chat in /local a giant baloon comes out of your face showing what you are saying... it's VERY obvious when someone is talking in local.  Yet, nobody responded.  I am very polite but after 30 minutes of trying to find the stables, I just wanted a hand finding the place.  Nobody responded.  lol... strange.. it was a group of guys on horses...

As far as teaming goes, is there a "looking for group" window or something that I've not seen?  Is there a tool available in the game to help bring people together for teaming?

I don't know about other players, Hypodermica, but I turned off the balloons in the UI options. They annoyed me and made me feel like I was playing a comic book. So perhaps that was one part of your particular issue.

If most players are anything like myself, they probably rarely monitor local chat.

If you have a question like that, the best thing to do is set up a chat tab subscribed to only the New Players channel. I monitor that channel all the time, and a large portion of the GMs do as well; when I see a question I can answer, I answer it promptly. Many times, the GMs will put up a message in different colored text telling people to send them a tell for any questions.

I guarantee if you had asked your question in New Player, you would have had an answer in minutes, possibly even seconds.

I have teamed a few times, but it was on the fly and lasted only long enough to face down a particularly hairy situation where a lot of us where in the same area and on the same goal. I haven't fully explored that aspect of the game yet, myself.

There are groups and they work fantastic, its hard to find them before level 15 though. The players have to rethink the traditional group dynamic. A tank,healer,DD type of group is going to

1 Get you tank shot up..mostly by his own DD

2 have your healer either dead or twiddleing thier thumbs

3 have your DD's afraid to shoot...see 1

That said, I've seen a group of rifle/pistols at Toro Bend clear more then 200 mobs in less then 20 minutes. They looked like Custers last stand except all the indians were dead. Piles of bodies ringing thier little group. It works extremely well. I dont think many people know how to do it right.

The PVP shooting through walls is really shooting through the cracks and little openings.