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9/19/09 3:32:06 PM#26
Originally posted by drbaltazar
Agreed, and I honestly can't see anyone who knows this game deny that this game is a time whore. It's like the "Ring," in LOTR. (Nerdness coming out), but once you start playing this game it is very hard for you to quit. I even admit I had that problem, but luckally for me certain betrayal in my real life through this game made it very easy for me to remove it from my HD and not worry about playing it. (That and the fact that the game got stupid easy.)
I don't know. I just personally feel for kids its the worst thing to expose them too. I rather have my kids do anything else but this game until they are old enough to know how bad it is. Cause at those ages, how can they understand the higher meaning of anything that happens.
(again personal family/friend guild aside.... no real arguement for that) Veritas Vos Liberabit- The truth will set you free. |
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9/19/09 3:36:17 PM#27
Sorry if you felt that you were being personally attacked, maybe you where just ill-informed but WoW (and any other mmorpg in fact) cannot and will not take or look at any personal information...
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9/19/09 3:56:20 PM#28
While I give credit to the OP for being active in his childs choice of entertainment I have to say that your concerns are the wrong ones. As many have pointed out the Warden program is not a bypass for hackers to get your home details. Heck Blizzard has you address, Phone number etc on file. Warden only looks at .exe's and packet tampering. The real issue with online games is the people your kids meet online. Thats where your concerns should be focused. The same can be said of any online forum or chat room. Do you let your kids use facebook? Do they play "Farm town" or one of those type of games? Again, Warden is not really a concern. Its a protection program and is pretty much as non-invasive as it can be while still doing its job (looking for hackers and cheaters) My wife and I allowed my step-son to play Everquest with us back when he was 13 or so. Hes now 24 and a well rounded kid. Of course we were selective about the people he interacted with online and had him join the guilds we selected, surrounding ourselves with like minded folks. The bigger concern to parents about online games is the communitys you allow your children to be a part of, thats where you should really focus. Being active in a game with them and keeping an eye on who they are interacting with is a major thing with me. Allowing your 12year old free reign in an online game that you dont monitor would be a bad move IMO. As for the poster who is 17 and went on a rant, The OP did mention his kids are younger. At 17 yes you should be able to make your own choices to a degree and be given more free reign. Of course it depends on the society your are raised in. At 17 back in England I had been working full time for two years (After graduating school) and was concidered an adult. Had my own place, car, Credit card etc. My step son at 17 was still in school. Fact of life for Americans that kids are kept kids for longer over here. In some ways its a bad thing, in other respects its a good thing. I see no reason to rag on the OP for being acttive in his kids choices (at thier current age) though. As other posters have said .. its better to be a little over protective than not give a damm at all. All we other parents in this community can do is point the OP to sources of information that will educate him further in what Warden does and does not do so that he can make an informed choice. The link a few posts back is the kind of information he needs. |
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Tisiphone
Novice Member
Joined: 3/16/04
"Every time you skip security patches, Cthulu kills a kitten." |
9/19/09 4:13:06 PM#29
Yes, I agree that its unpleasant that there has been so much cheating in WoW that this has to be in the EULA, but this is a bit of the same sort of dramatized fear that causes people to be so terrified of swine flu that they forget to get their ordinary flu shot (and then have to go, sick, to the hospital). People need to stop worrying so much about NCSoft/GG and Blizzard spying on them, and spend a bit of time worrying about: A) Have they patched Windows in the last month? (Or any OS) If people did that, instead of angrily chasing corporate ghosts, a lot less identity/data theft would occur, and the number of infected hosts on the internet would decrease noticeably. I heartily commend OP on being an informed consumer. However, I recommend he follow the steps above as well. |
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9/19/09 4:16:07 PM#30
yep some game are worst then other like you put freerealm on your kids comp no biggy when you say ok see you in one and a half ,the child dont grumble too much ,but in a game like wow ho boy good luck |
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9/19/09 4:18:23 PM#31
This is exactly what people should do, and it is more concise than I could ever be. Everyone do this! "Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true — you know it, and they know it." —Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007 |
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9/19/09 4:19:52 PM#32
Get your kid a console. The internet is Evil.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum |
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9/19/09 4:21:18 PM#33
If you are that concerned with the users agreement and terms of service with Blizzard; I suggest you read the same for your OS. Many people were concerned with the data Microsoft was gathering through the windows OS. |
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9/19/09 4:22:16 PM#34
To the OP: |
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9/19/09 4:22:33 PM#35
Originally posted by metalhead980
The tubes run to consoles now too.
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Kyleran
Jovian
Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
9/19/09 4:32:52 PM#36
Originally posted by NeptuneBlue
Yeah, you misunderstood the purpose of this forum, and no matter how well meaning your warning was, someone was going to attack you for it. (your parenting skills really being off topic) Ever receive an email warning you about gypsies kidnapping children out of bathrooms at Disney World or any other of about a 100 urban legends. A quick check to Snopes confirms their non-validity in most cases and you laugh (or rage) at the person who sent it to you for not being well informed. Same thing here. Most of us here are not afraid of Warden or the information Blizzard collects, we're not afraid to use our CC's on the internet, or even use them on the same PC as our gaming computers. (assuming we know how to protect ourselves) So we're going to take your "warning" much as my example above, well intentioned, but uninformed. Internet forums are a harsh world and you need a thick skin to thrive in them.
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9/19/09 4:32:57 PM#37
Originally posted by skeaser
The tubes run to consoles now too.
Not one console requires Internet to play, unlike MMOs. While I have my 360 connected to the Net for multiplayer my children use a 360 and Wii just fine without it. Best part of having four children that like videogames is you dont need to connect to the net for multiplayer you can multiplayer split screen. PLaying: EvE, Ryzom Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum |
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9/19/09 4:33:50 PM#38
Originally posted by NeptuneBlue My children's safety is much more valuable to me than any credit card. Seems to me you're overreacting out of ignorance. Unless you have secret defense documents or all your accounts information stored in a folder named "\heypiratesherearethegoodies", you and your family need not fear of the internet; those russian hackers are more interested in hacking banks database than your family computer. |
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9/19/09 11:01:32 PM#39
Originally posted by Revel
This....donelt't sher your kids and make them develop neurotic personalities. I have to go get serious help thanks to my parents teaching me making a mistake the worst thing you can do when I was growing up. |
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9/20/09 6:10:05 PM#40
How quaint.
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9/21/09 9:33:23 PM#41
Originally posted by Hepisodic
I second this post. I wouldn't keep my kids away from WoW because of Warden but more because of the horrible community and because this game can prove to be addictive for some people. My 2 year old daughter grinding a warlock to 15 a few years ago but i have since stopped her from playing now that she can read |
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9/26/09 11:41:54 AM#42
And......you could get hit by lightning tomorrow and none of it would matter. What are the damn chances that something like them taking your data and using it to gain some unfair advantage over you in the real world? C'mon lady (or man) think about it...you sound like you don't let your children play outside because they have a chance of scraping their knee, possibly getting the scrape infected, and maybe even having to amputate it because of the infection. Jeeeeeez get real. |
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Leodious
Hard Core Member
Joined: 2/28/06
Socializer: 67% |
9/26/09 12:12:24 PM#43
I love this. I know the internet is scary, but please! 1) Blizzard does NOT care enough about you to take your info.
Like someone said, this is like the swine flu scare, or shark attack scares of previous summers, or SARS. PLEASE?!?! Why do people blow things out of proportion so they get terrified. I know why the media does it, but why are people stupid enough to fall for it. Now that I think about it, this parent probably heard some news story about a kid getting in trouble over the internet and now is freaking out. Well good. I don't want someone like that on the internet anyway. They're creepy. Like homeschool kids. |