I loved the tutorial but when I came out into main area is seemed so congested and bland? its like they put all their effort into tutorial and forgot the main part of game, guns are bad , it has a very loose feel vs tutorial which was tight , what gives

You're lvl 40 in the tutorial.

damn then this game should have started at lvl 40 becaused the early lvls are so--------early

It's a good thing you think the tutorial is polished =)

They finally fixed the bugs in it, it seems.

The tutorial is guided, the main game is more loosely structured. Does sort of suck that they go, hey this is what you can get, not for a month or so, but hey, it's there!

Originally posted by eddieg50

damn then this game should have started at lvl 40 becaused the early lvls are so--------early

It's a learning curve in the beginning, that's for sure. But, you'll get there.

I think it's a good thing how they did the tutorial, but they do need to explain to you that you're 38 levels over what you start the game as.

 Its a short tutorial that gives you a basic overview and you are level 40. 

Does this summarize your pain by any chance?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpqfldM6Gsk

Found here:
http://forums.fallenearth.com/fallenearth/showthread.php?t=20814

Originally posted by eddieg50

it has a very loose feel vs tutorial which was tight , what gives

This is because the tutorial held your hand and touched you in all the right places to make you feel comfortable, so in the real world of the game you are weened and no longer have this hand to hold and thus feel lonely and insecure.

I love the fact that there is a nwe kind of sandbox game out there.

Sure it is hard in the beginning, but I'm a guy who loves figuring things out, and having tons of options to do so.

Originally posted by plaguess

the first few hrs after the tutorial are difficult. It reminds me of star wars galaxies. your tossed out into a wide open world and there is an overwhelming amount of things to learn and do.

Get past that and pretty soon things start to come naturally. Im glad I stuck it out, FE is the best MMO Ive played in 4 years

I remember my first few weeks in SWG, I had no clue what I was doing and just killed things... 5 years on should make it easieer as I actually understand MMOs and although I know there's lots of things I don't know, I now have a better idea of what I should be doing....

 Look the fact is that FE is deceptive , they make you think you are going into this amazing beautifull world with guns blazing and you come out into this brown mess.  there is no tutorial of crafting and just a bit in the main tutorial on combat, is there a manual for this game?  

I have issues with sandbox games that develop beginner tutorials that play more like themeparks. Ryzom does this also.

It misleads a new player into thinking the game will offer a handholding experience throughout.

As an example in Ryzom you have like 50 missions you run, the island that you run the tutorial on has no challenging mobs and doesn't really require a team effort to complete.

Then you get tossed on the Mainland and mobs kick your ass, missions don't help you skill up and you have no idea what to do.

It's similar in FE.

I wish these games would try to give people a sandbox experience at the start, let them walk around and as they pass over a section in the game a little 3-4 step tutorial pops up, as you click icons on the UI messages pop up explaining what they do.

Make people learn through exploration not by being lead around a section of the game that wrongfully misleads the player.

Don't get me wrong I love both Ryzom and FE but the completely wrong direction the tutorials take the player was a bad move and it will make a few new players frustrated to the point of leaving.

Originally posted by eddieg50

 Look the fact is that FE is deceptive , they make you think you are going into this amazing beautifull world with guns blazing and you come out into this brown mess.  there is no tutorial of crafting and just a bit in the main tutorial on combat, is there a manual for this game?  

That "brown mess" is called a desert. A desolated one as well. As for manual it is possible to read the tips during the tutorial.

Originally posted by metalhead980

I Have have issues with sandbox games that develop beginner tutorials that play more like themeparks. Ryzom does this also.

It misleads a new player into thinking the game will offer a handholding experience throughout.

As an example in Ryzom you have like 50 missions you run, the island that you run the tutorial on has no challenging mobs and doesn't really require a team effort to complete.

Then you get tossed on the Mainland and mobs kick your ass, missions don't help you skill up and you have no idea what to do.

It's similar in FE.

I wish these games would try to give people a sandbox experience at the start, let them walk around and as they pass over a section in the game a little 3-4 step tutorial pops up, as you click icons on the UI messages pop up explaining what they do.

Make people learn through exploration not by being lead around a section of the game that wrongfully misleads the player.

Don't get me wrong I love both Ryzom and FE but the completely wrong direction the tutorials take the player was a bad move and it will make a few new players frustrated to the point of leaving.

 

       Agreed!

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

Originally posted by Farandir

Originally posted by eddieg50

 Look the fact is that FE is deceptive , they make you think you are going into this amazing beautifull world with guns blazing and you come out into this brown mess.  there is no tutorial of crafting and just a bit in the main tutorial on combat, is there a manual for this game?  

 

That "brown mess" is called a desert. A desolated one as well. As for manual it is possible to read the tips during the tutorial.

as well as type /support ingame which will bring you their knowledge base which has a ton of helpful tips, then you have gms on at all times to answer question plus the volunteer hazmat team

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

I Have have issues with sandbox games that develop beginner tutorials that play more like themeparks. Ryzom does this also.

It misleads a new player into thinking the game will offer a handholding experience throughout.

As an example in Ryzom you have like 50 missions you run, the island that you run the tutorial on has no challenging mobs and doesn't really require a team effort to complete.

Then you get tossed on the Mainland and mobs kick your ass, missions don't help you skill up and you have no idea what to do.

It's similar in FE.

I wish these games would try to give people a sandbox experience at the start, let them walk around and as they pass over a section in the game a little 3-4 step tutorial pops up, as you click icons on the UI messages pop up explaining what they do.

Make people learn through exploration not by being lead around a section of the game that wrongfully misleads the player.

Don't get me wrong I love both Ryzom and FE but the completely wrong direction the tutorials take the player was a bad move and it will make a few new players frustrated to the point of leaving.

 

 

       Agreed!

it's only been that for ryzom since the new player island was redone, the way it was before was a pain in the butt, get killed left and right but considering there wasn't many new players anymore to form a group to finish it they had to redo it to the way it is now.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

name one MMO online game that has an up to date manual?  you never will, in mmos features come and go so drastically there is no point in writing a manual as it will be obselete by release.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

I seem to be getting into just as much shit in FE as I did in FO3, yeah the customizations and character skill system is easier to understand in FO3 but also limited compared to FE. That is a Single player game designed for consoles.

I thought FE had a manual? I downloaded my copy I'll need to ask my buddies at gamestop if it does or not with the boxed version. Manuals aren't too good for MMOs anyway since the games always change anyway.

Originally posted by KcissemD

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

I Have have issues with sandbox games that develop beginner tutorials that play more like themeparks. Ryzom does this also.

It misleads a new player into thinking the game will offer a handholding experience throughout.

As an example in Ryzom you have like 50 missions you run, the island that you run the tutorial on has no challenging mobs and doesn't really require a team effort to complete.

Then you get tossed on the Mainland and mobs kick your ass, missions don't help you skill up and you have no idea what to do.

It's similar in FE.

I wish these games would try to give people a sandbox experience at the start, let them walk around and as they pass over a section in the game a little 3-4 step tutorial pops up, as you click icons on the UI messages pop up explaining what they do.

Make people learn through exploration not by being lead around a section of the game that wrongfully misleads the player.

Don't get me wrong I love both Ryzom and FE but the completely wrong direction the tutorials take the player was a bad move and it will make a few new players frustrated to the point of leaving.

 

 

       Agreed!

 

it's only been that for ryzom since the new player island was redone, the way it was before was a pain in the butt, get killed left and right but considering there wasn't many new players anymore to form a group to finish it they had to redo it to the way it is now.

That's something I didn't know. I only started playing Ryzom in August '08 im not a four year old vet like you guys :)

I still would rather the open ended tutorial rather than the more themeparkish one they have now.

Originally posted by KcissemD

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

 

name one MMO online game that has an up to date manual?  you never will, in mmos features come and go so drastically there is no point in writing a manual as it will be obselete by release.

   When wow and eq2 , lotro, v anguard and olthers came out they had very good manuals, yes wee know that the game may change but at least start out on the right foot especially if you are going to charge 50 and 15 a month

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

I loved the tutorial but when I came out into main area is seemed so congested and bland? its like they put all their effort into tutorial and forgot the main part of game, guns are bad

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

How do you craft online and how do you queu up all your craft items at once, are you saying i can push a buttona nd all my items will craft at once?

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I think it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game, yet, can create such a definitive thread touting your opinions, this is a true skill. Apparently, your brief excursions fresh out of the spawn tube allows you to critique the rest of the entire game as "Not polished". I look forward to your detailed review supporting this.

For the record, the developers have already stated they are going to extend the tutorial some time soon to cover more things, and be less abrupt when you get to "the real world".

But please do, as you have evedentialy played the entire game, or you would not logicaly be able to make this statement:

"Tutorial very polished, main game not so much"

So, please expound on how you came to this conclusion, and how the game is unpolished at level 45.

We all eagerly await your views.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by KcissemD

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

 

name one MMO online game that has an up to date manual?  you never will, in mmos features come and go so drastically there is no point in writing a manual as it will be obselete by release.

 

   When wow and eq2 , lotro, v anguard and olthers came out they had very good manuals, yes wee know that the game may change but at least start out on the right foot especially if you are going to charge 50 and 15 a month

wow and eq2 manuals may have been very well written but was not accruate to what the game entailed upon release that is my point.  LOTRO i never really payed attention to as i got tired of that game pretty quick, but my point is it is a waste to write a manual just have it outdated before the game is released the way FE does it works much better having ingame /support commands for their knowledge base, a volunteer hazmat team etc, etc.