Originally posted by ladyattis

In terms of narrative structure and content, yes I think the Asians have a more innovative mindset as they're not totally enveloped in the Post-Modern mindset. They're still chewing on the Enlightenment and even adding some important concepts to it centuries after the fact. In some ways, despite the flashiness of their games, they seem to want to ask serious questions with some of their titles that we here in the so-called "West" have forgotten or ignored entirely. And it seems games are an outlet for them on such issues.

Tentical creatures with phalic symbols and skimpy armor that resenbles thongs is SOOOO elightened and Post Modern=)

That was a joke..... before some anime twearp blows a blood vessel and rage nerds all over the screen;)

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by neoterrar

Slurp, slurp, korea you are so great, slurp.

 

Seriously. One game comes out in the west that may have some staying power and all of a sudden korean games are good?

Peshaw.

 

I would absolutely love you to list the "Creative Level" the Koreans are displaying. Mas producing Unreal engine MMOs is not creative.

Wow, they give ya wings in one game, oooooh, that's innovation.

 

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Also, One game? what a joke. Games like Lineage 2 and Ragnarok Online have had staying powers for years

1. lineage 2 was the biggest botter and hacker infested shit i have ever tried.

2. lineage 2 had the worst "community" i have ever seen in any game i played so far

-> as an expierienced aion poster and member of the aion forums you are, you should take a look around and count the numerous angry hate infested fanbois there! the worst  forum crowd on this site. the ranking goes like this:

1. aion

2. darkfall

3. mortal online

these so called pvp centric games seem to attract idiots like shit is a magnet for flies :)

 EDIT: typos i hate and a little grammar :)

Originally posted by ricefarmer

 I think from a monetized view, they already are leading the industry.. not only do they have every genre  available, pioneers of the free to play method of payment.

now we all know they have shitty ass mmo's too but it does fill a void, such as kart racing or some side scrolling oldschool game.

but lets look at the high end of korean mmo's, with games like aion, tera online, blade and soul, and mabinogi heroes.. maybe even huxley. 

It seems like WOW is the only good mmo in the western market cuz every over hyped mmo that comes out of the west soon dies a painful death. cuz they suck ass..

korean mmos are just alot prettier, super hot chicks, just better overall design...

All the new generation mmos in korea are now doing real time fighting which means twitch and actuall player skill, everything coming out of the west is stll the same old rpg style fighting, graphics still ugly ass hell and not evolving at all.

sure u can say, all koreans games are grinders, but thats only because they like to grind, once they want a global market they can easily change that such as aion.. i have no doubt in my mind the west can't keep up with the creative level the koreans are displaying.  our society only sees them as a game, korea its pretty much a cyber land.. its their way of life.

Plus korean games just dont die as much as western games, they seem to have legs, even the shittiest games.  Without blizzard can u even say western games are competiting? 

plus. this may be superficial but western mmo's and western games in general has some ugly ass chicks. its like they dont want hot chicks and want soccer moms or something.. wtf is wrong with you people

 

 

 

How much repressed sexual tension can one person display in a missive over pixels, dear God, who the hell says "super hot chicks" and expects someone to take their discourse seriously
Better overall design=super hot chicks, bad design=soccer mums, I can see where your going with this. But dont you find masterbating to MMO,s even slightly disturbing, full coloured photos I can understand, BUT PIXELS come on.

Originally posted by Shannia

Hey, OP.   Every been to Korea?  Didn't think so.  One of the reasons Korea is "leading the way" in gaming in infastructure.  Just a couple short years ago, Korea decided to make sure every home, college, dorm room, motel room, business, apartment, club, you name it... all of them were hooked up to the latest fibre optics available with WiFi to match.  Here in the west, we still have people running on 56k modems or not connected at all.  To compound the problem, state of the art computers in Korea sell for a fraction of a person's income there compared to the West.  Combine that with the culture of the country toward gaming and you can see that gamers in Korea and the West are playing on two different playing fields.  Once we close the basic gaps, then the developers can start closing the gap on the types of games they can make.  AoC was a case in point, while it was made with latest in graphics and was twitch based, it was said that less than 10% of the mmorpg players in America had the recommended system specs to even play the game.

I HAVE

and NO...thay don't put Fiber to Dog farms, Rice paddies, Barber shops, Corner shop food on a stick location. Thay stick 2.5 B ppl in the size of Road-Island and the rest is farming land. 1 year there............. and glad to be home. If you would***************************************************************. The only thing for ppl to do their is farm and play online game over the WiFi. And yes thay do have WiFi along with alot of Cell covege. So move to Korea, buy your minants ,Play your F2P games and ***********************. Look at the price of land in Korea, and in the US. Small cars, small homes, small buildings and every inch of ground used for farming. Thay even burrie there dead sitting up and this helps save land space. Now do you remember Korea from the back of your mom and dads car or did you see it like all americans did?

Sorry for that. I like German, hated Korea

Originally posted by kruler

Originally posted by ricefarmer

 I think from a monetized view, they already are leading the industry.. not only do they have every genre  available, pioneers of the free to play method of payment.

now we all know they have shitty ass mmo's too but it does fill a void, such as kart racing or some side scrolling oldschool game.

but lets look at the high end of korean mmo's, with games like aion, tera online, blade and soul, and mabinogi heroes.. maybe even huxley. 

It seems like WOW is the only good mmo in the western market cuz every over hyped mmo that comes out of the west soon dies a painful death. cuz they suck ass..

korean mmos are just alot prettier, super hot chicks, just better overall design...

All the new generation mmos in korea are now doing real time fighting which means twitch and actuall player skill, everything coming out of the west is stll the same old rpg style fighting, graphics still ugly ass hell and not evolving at all.

sure u can say, all koreans games are grinders, but thats only because they like to grind, once they want a global market they can easily change that such as aion.. i have no doubt in my mind the west can't keep up with the creative level the koreans are displaying.  our society only sees them as a game, korea its pretty much a cyber land.. its their way of life.

Plus korean games just dont die as much as western games, they seem to have legs, even the shittiest games.  Without blizzard can u even say western games are competiting? 

plus. this may be superficial but western mmo's and western games in general has some ugly ass chicks. its like they dont want hot chicks and want soccer moms or something.. wtf is wrong with you people

 

 

 

How much repressed sexual tension can one person display in a missive over pixels, dear God, who the hell says "super hot chicks" and expects someone to take their discourse seriously
Better overall design=super hot chicks, bad design=soccer mums, I can see where your going with this. But dont you find masterbating to MMO,s even slightly disturbing, full coloured photos I can understand, BUT PIXELS come on.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I just saw this.............................................that was good.

OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

To the OP: Have you really looked at what the western companies have produced and will release in the next couple of years, the diversity of MMO's is huge, more so than what has come out of Korea, Japan or China combined.

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

To the OP: Have you really looked at what the western companies have produced and will release in the next couple of years, the diversity of MMO's is huge, more so than what has come out of Korea, Japan or China combined.

100% agreed.

if we:

define industry = factory to produce normed, identical products then korea might be the true "industry" leader in mmorpgs !

with all the - excuse me - every time the same manga like looking asian f2p/p2p crap beeing tossed out in incredible numbers by a really BIG factory!

i did not mention the word quality here, this was intentional.

i wouldn't be surprised considering they have a whole school devoted to teaching MMO game development (maybe some of our western devs might benefit from going there...)

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Originally posted by ricefarmer
 I think from a monetized view,

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From a monetized view World of Warcraft has a larger revenue stream than every single Korean MMO combined so ya...your opinion is just simply wrong. They lead the industry in crappy one-off grinders, that's about it.

Originally posted by thanith

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by neoterrar

Slurp, slurp, korea you are so great, slurp.

 

Seriously. One game comes out in the west that may have some staying power and all of a sudden korean games are good?

Peshaw.

 

I would absolutely love you to list the "Creative Level" the Koreans are displaying. Mas producing Unreal engine MMOs is not creative.

Wow, they give ya wings in one game, oooooh, that's innovation.

 

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch

Also, One game? what a joke. Games like Lineage 2 and Ragnarok Online have had staying powers for years

 

1. lineage 2 was the biggest botter and hacker infested shit i have ever tried.

2. lineage 2 had the worst "community" i have ever seen in any game i played so far

-> as an expierienced aion poster and member of the aion forums you are, you should take a look around and count the numerous angry hate infested fanbois there! the worst  forum crowd on this site. the ranking goes like this:

1. aion

2. darkfall

3. mortal online

these so called pvp centric games seem to attract idiots like shit is a magnet for flies :)

 

 EDIT: typos i hate and a little grammar :)

1: Every mmorpg has bots. It's also irrelevant to the point I was making

2: Your opinion and also completely irrelevant

3: The last is simply not true. I have yet to see many Aion fans "Hating" on other games. It's more the other way around, fans of other games who continue to troll the Aion section with false claims.

Also Vagrant story: That actually isn't true., MMORPGs are FAR more successful in the east than the west. Many western publishers would gladly trade their games for a game like Maple Story, Silkroad, Legend 2 and Westward Journey Online 2.

Quality is subjective to some extend and nobody here is really capable of having a good view of the asian market because guess what: A huge amount of asian games never make it here.
In terms of industry size, there is just no contest: MMORPGS have been far more successful in asia than they have in the west and the industry is simply much bigger.

I love how people keep pointing at Asian MMORPGS and say they all play the same.

Guess what: The vast majority of western mmorpgs have played the same since Everquest. Okay game A puts a bit more focus on PVP and the other puts a bit more focus on grouping but many share the same similarities: Travel through the world doing quests in a medieval fantasy setting,

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

To the OP: Have you really looked at what the western companies have produced and will release in the next couple of years, the diversity of MMO's is huge, more so than what has come out of Korea, Japan or China combined.

I can't comment on the diversity or quality of asian mmorpg.

But the quantity of mmorpg and rate of asian release new mmorpg is alot faster than western. 

There are just plan more mmorpg release in asia.  Alot arn't localize for western gamer.

Originally posted by laokoko

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

To the OP: Have you really looked at what the western companies have produced and will release in the next couple of years, the diversity of MMO's is huge, more so than what has come out of Korea, Japan or China combined.

 

I can't comment on the diversity or quality of asian mmorpg.

But the quantity of mmorpg and rate of asian release new mmorpg is alot faster than western. 

There are just plan more mmorpg release in asia.  Alot arn't localize for western gamer.

Surely right there in your statement you have the nexus of the issue, they are churning them out, and the reason alot arnt localized for the western market is it will become apparant, there is a big % of pure dribble...Look at the F2P list even on this site, of the games they felt worthy to be launched in the Western World, thats right utter tripe with only a few gems, and same goes for the monthly sub.

I live in Australia and some of my family works in Hong Kong, and I try and visit when I can, its still a bit of a crossroads Hong Kong, now under Chinese control, but still has allot of western influence, so the MMORPG market is I feel is the most diverse there, it has a mind boggling amount of stuff, and some of it is so like the watches you can buy from market vendors, looks good functions well, but it aint a Tag Haur or a Rolex, but at a glance you could get away with it.

Originally posted by kruler

Originally posted by laokoko

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

To the OP: Have you really looked at what the western companies have produced and will release in the next couple of years, the diversity of MMO's is huge, more so than what has come out of Korea, Japan or China combined.

 

I can't comment on the diversity or quality of asian mmorpg.

But the quantity of mmorpg and rate of asian release new mmorpg is alot faster than western. 

There are just plan more mmorpg release in asia.  Alot arn't localize for western gamer.

 

Surely right there in your statement you have the nexus of the issue, they are churning them out, and the reason alot arnt localized for the western market is it will become apparant, there is a big % of pure dribble...Look at the F2P list even on this site, of the games they felt worthy to be launched in the Western World, thats right utter tripe with only a few gems, and same goes for the monthly sub.

I live in Australia and some of my family works in Hong Kong, and I try and visit when I can, its still a bit of a crossroads Hong Kong, now under Chinese control, but still has allot of western influence, so the MMORPG market is I feel is the most diverse there, it has a mind boggling amount of stuff, and some of it is so like the watches you can buy from market vendors, looks good functions well, but it aint a Tag Haur or a Rolex, but at a glance you could get away with it.

 

But the free to play have a lower cost to them thus you can expect a lower quality. I don't think it's entirely fair to compare f2p to p2p games standards, when you compare the free asian games to the free western games, the asian market produces higher quality content. I'd rather play something like Silkroad, ArchLord, RF Online or Cabal then a Runescape, Tibia or Free Realms. I have to completely disagree about the monthly sub. Games like Final Fantasy XI, Ragnarok Online, Lineage 2 and recently Aion can go head to head with the best mmorpgs the west has to offer when they were released.

Originally posted by Gabby-air

The way i see it is Western MMO's have originality, creativity, innovation while korean games more or so tend to copy some of those elements and turn them into grind games to suit there players, yes they might have good graphics and animation but gameplay wise western mmo's are leading it.

Are you kidding?  Like what?   Where?

I think Asian MMOs may just be behind the curve, as they still stick a little more closely to the EQ model, but as the genre matures, they'll probably be the first to start taking real chances on AAA MMOs that really are revolutionary.  The rate at which they pump out professionally managed  games with real funding is just more conducive to it.  

Here, we get these inadequate companies that don't have enough money, who sometimes start out with good ideas, but keep trying to change directions mid-development, and end up producing games that are not only less than half as original than they might have been if they'd stayed on track, but broken and unfinished, too.

Originally posted by Gameloading

But the free to play have a lower cost to them thus you can expect a lower quality. I don't think it's entirely fair to compare f2p to p2p games standards, when you compare the free asian games to the free western games, the asian market produces higher quality content. I'd rather play something like Silkroad, ArchLord, RF Online or Cabal then a Runescape, Tibia or Free Realms. I have to completely disagree about the monthly sub. Games like Final Fantasy XI, Ragnarok Online, Lineage 2 and recently Aion can go head to head with the best mmorpgs the west has to offer when they were released.

Can you please name some western f2p in that list, also goodness sake I didn't think you could sink so low as to play something like Silkroad *shivers*

I kinda agree with your last sentence, keep in mind that IS the best games Asia has to offer. Some of those are p2p anyway.

Can anybody tell me what are the Top 5 Pay To Play Korean MMOs in Korea? 

Hi guys, I'm Korean and my uncle told me that back when Korea was having some financial crisis (IMF), thousands of Koreans lost their jobs and decided to play an MMORPG in hopes to make money. My uncle told me that during these tight money crunching times, that many Koreans were ashamed to explain to their families that they could not support them financially. As a result, many Koreans went to LAN cafes and PC centers to play a popular MMORPG which was Lineage. He explained that many Koreans did not care for the content or the story and only heard that if they were to get a really rare item, they would be able to sell it for a pretty penny. My uncle told me that many Koreans fled to PC cafes as a safe haven (told their families they were going to work) and grinded endlessly, even through nights in hopes of acquiring that uber rare sword in Lineage. He finishes up telling me that was how Lineage became huge in Korea and how it became a lifestyle in Korea (MMORPG and gaming). Believe it or not, but my uncle told me this with a straight face so I believe it. He told me that the idea of instantly receiving a lump sum of cash from the sales of virtual item drops  was something that pushed everyone to grind and instill the addictive qualities in MMORPGs. The chance to make money off of it. I believe the trend has always stayed the same within the asian mmo market. While I do not agree with the concept, it does make sense.

korean, japanese, asian, eastern  win in art and sound effect. melee sound effect is top notch, hard and powerful that you can hear it and feel it.

blade and soul. mabinogi heroes. mabinogi. c9. berkanix. tera. aion. ff11. sun. requiem. reign of revoluton. lineage2. metin2.

Originally posted by Bigdavo

Originally posted by Gameloading

But the free to play have a lower cost to them thus you can expect a lower quality. I don't think it's entirely fair to compare f2p to p2p games standards, when you compare the free asian games to the free western games, the asian market produces higher quality content. I'd rather play something like Silkroad, ArchLord, RF Online or Cabal then a Runescape, Tibia or Free Realms. I have to completely disagree about the monthly sub. Games like Final Fantasy XI, Ragnarok Online, Lineage 2 and recently Aion can go head to head with the best mmorpgs the west has to offer when they were released.

 

Can you please name some western f2p in that list, also goodness sake I didn't think you could sink so low as to play something like Silkroad *shivers*

I kinda agree with your last sentence, keep in mind that IS the best games Asia has to offer. Some of those are p2p anyway.

I did mention 3 western f2p mmorpgs in that list: Runescape, Tibia and Freerealms.

I'm not playing Silkroad, I said I'd rather play Silkroad than western free to play games as Runescape, Tibia and Freerealms.

Originally posted by Bigdavo

...goodness sake I didn't think you could sink so low as to play something like Silkroad *shivers*

That game really IS shudder-worthy.  Too many Asian games are exactly like it for gameplay.

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Originally posted by Josher

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Originally posted by ladyattis

In terms of narrative structure and content, yes I think the Asians have a more innovative mindset as they're not totally enveloped in the Post-Modern mindset. They're still chewing on the Enlightenment and even adding some important concepts to it centuries after the fact. In some ways, despite the flashiness of their games, they seem to want to ask serious questions with some of their titles that we here in the so-called "West" have forgotten or ignored entirely. And it seems games are an outlet for them on such issues.

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Tentical creatures with phalic symbols and skimpy armor that resenbles thongs is SOOOO elightened and Post Modern=)
That was a joke..... before some anime twearp blows a blood vessel and rage nerds all over the screen;)

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OIC WUT U DID DER. :3

To be honest i believe that LOTRO is doing fine and Turbine is American. I Mean its not got 11 million subscribers but its doing very well

Maybe North Koreans play MMO's so they can at least eat virtual food.

Well the Korean market has a bazillion more gamers to cater to,so any game can and will have players.

WOW is not the only good mmo,i could argue it is not even that good,but the fact is that there is not that many gamers to go around for all the games over here,unlike Korea that could put a million gamers in to a game of Yahtzee.

Even the top of the line MMO;'s are quite weak game play,they are only a step up from the crap,in that they offer at least average graphics.Eq2 a game released quite awhile ago now,still has better graphics than ANY Korean MMO,so they are by no means advancing at all,they are stagnant running the same old crap over and over again,because they can get away with it over there.

Remember a game like Runescape kind of followed that type of Asian F2p junk and it had a large following over here,but is actually free or at least it was.

I might also add the Koreans did not implement a F2P ,because there is no such thing as FREE,over here we call it "Cash Shop" or "Item Mall" games.A game like Runescape was/is actually free.Even the original games like MU online were not free in that most common sense people realized they were running games that catered to RMT activity and were running most of those operations as well.

I played Lineage2 and i reported MANY cheat and bot /rmt activities and nothing was ever done, i always got some BS email back that gave me the run around,so you can bet even the giants like NCSOFT are every bit as crooked as the small Asian developers.

The thing that makes this article a fail ,is once again pointing to numbers,numbers do not and will NOT ever point to anything other than money,it has no bearing on the quality of the game.You want to talk quality of a game you have to talk about texture use,animations,meshes,models,particle system,shaders,lighting,net code,shadows,effects  dam there is so much that gives actual meaning to the word "GOOD",and subscription numbers do not come into it at all.

I have never played a Korean F2P worth the time it took to download.

Mindless grinders do not appeal to me, nor many other US/EU players.

They might be fine for people that live in Asia, but since I don't, I don't care.

The title of this thread should be "Koreans leading the F2P Grinder industry".