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News & Features Discussion  » Dark Age of Camelot: Jeff Hickman on WAR, DaoC and the Future

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OP  9/22/09 8:11:11 AM#1's Garrrett Fuller had the opportunity to speak with EA Mythic's Jeff Hickman after his presentation at GDC. In this interview, Hickman discusses the future of MMOs, mistakes with WAR and hints at a possible rejuvenation of Dark Age of Camelot.

Jeff Hickman is Executive Producer at EA Mythic. He has worked on several titles including Dark Age of Camelot and Warhammer Online. Jeff gave a presentation at AGDC which outlined how players will purchase and play games in the future and what design ideas we might see years from now. He also touched on some of the areas where Warhammer went wrong and explained some improvements they are trying to make for the future on all of Mythic's products. After his presentation I had a chance to interview Jeff, sadly the video interview was lost, sorry Jeff, but I'll try to highlight some of the points he made.

Jeff explained that digital distribution is important in the future for games. There will always be boxed sales, but with services like STEAM and other digital download companies, getting games directly online easier than ever to do. In the future, more and more people will be downloading games online than going to the store to buy them.

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9/22/09 8:19:54 AM#2

 "When Jeff asked me if I would like to go back to DAOC the way it was in the beginning I got excited.
It is great when an Executive Producer says, what would you do with Dark Age of Camelot? Well I explained that maybe a sequel would be the way to go. Or perhaps revamp the game with an updated engine, new graphics and art, and keep the world in its old form with game play very close to the way people remember it. Jeff smiled, smirked is more like it, for a very long time. Jeff said that they are hiring right now on the Dark Age of Camelot team. We can only hope DAOC will see a rejuvenation back to its old awesome PvP self."

There's hope yet! OMIDAWG!  


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9/22/09 8:24:45 AM#3

There's hope yet! OMIDAWG!  



Couldn't have said it better myself :D

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9/22/09 8:27:53 AM#4

His three reasons are completely worthless.

Here is the problem with WAR.

You must PvE to PvP, and the endgame is based on PvE. To many areas for PvP and to little population to fill them even if the server was maxed out, making the instant action PvP the best choice.



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9/22/09 8:30:51 AM#5

DAOC 2 ???!!!!

Please tell me its true!!!




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9/22/09 9:02:25 AM#6

omg yes!

Re-vamp in a new engine and new weapon looks but same names...!!!

we hold all the love in the world for DAoC and would come back as me and all my crew / brute squad guild were into the original gates wars and story lines.

the game had it all... come on man do it .

if you did you most likly would burn down D3 and Aion .

long live Hibernia !!!


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9/22/09 9:06:52 AM#7

They were right about the social aspect missing in WAR, part of this was the chat system and part was the public quests which required zero interaction to get involved in and to execute.  Odd, that they still see public quests as a strength.

But the MAIN THING that WAR missed on was the "world."  They designed a linear arena, which felt very contrived and non-immersive.  FRIENDLY NOOB ZONE --> FRIENDLY MID ZONE --> FRIENDLY HIGH ZONE --> CONTESTED ZONE <-- ENEMY HIGH ZONE <-- ENEMY MID ZONE <-- ENEMY NOOB ZONE.    Not an exact representation, but close to their model; just a line really.  So, just how artificial is a design like that?

WAR should have had a "world".

I would like to see a revamp on DAOC.  Maybe change it up just a bit, but not so much as to lose its original charm.  Graphics update, plus UI and combat/magic system updates should work.


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9/22/09 9:11:13 AM#8

DAoC is still one of my favorite MMO experiences to date. Back before ToA the game was amazing - long siege battles, trying to level and getting ganked -- thus causing mini-wars. Man those were the days :)

WAR should have capitalized on what the people wanted. Here is hoping for a DAoC 2 that I can spend hours and hours and hours... etc.. playing :)

PS - My wife hates the idea of a DAoC 2 -- she remembers me saying "Ya, dinner, be there in a minute." and not eating for another hour lol

This is my sig... nice huh? :P

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9/22/09 9:15:24 AM#9

You now, I wouldn't advise them to "revamp" DAOC, even if that's what they end up doing.  I think there would be more interest in releasing a DAOC 2 (and calling it that).

They should retain the guts of DAOC, update all graphics, UI, and systems, then release an entirely new game called DAOC 2.  Folks would be all over that, I'm guessing.


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9/22/09 9:29:29 AM#10
Originally posted by pencilrick

You now, I wouldn't advise them to "revamp" DAOC, even if that's what they end up doing.  I think there would be more interest in releasing a DAOC 2 (and calling it that).

They should retain the guts of DAOC, update all graphics, UI, and systems, then release an entirely new game called DAOC 2.  Folks would be all over that, I'm guessing.

id be more excited to see the same old daoc world again. that same environment, those same game dynamics, combined with a renewed massive community like the game used to have, is more than enough for me. graphics upgrades wouldnt hurt either. a new game world would just scare me-- WAR with DAOC as the disguised IP. bleh.

id die for DAOC2. but if they mess it up, id also kill for it O_o


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9/22/09 9:39:52 AM#11

As I am; DAoC was pure enjoyment! I know of a few others who would love to see a ^better/updated^ DAoC I wasn't really surprised what was said of WAR, by all that have commented thus far.





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9/22/09 9:42:49 AM#12
Originally posted by pencilrick

You now, I wouldn't advise them to "revamp" DAOC, even if that's what they end up doing.  I think there would be more interest in releasing a DAOC 2 (and calling it that).

They should retain the guts of DAOC, update all graphics, UI, and systems, then release an entirely new game called DAOC 2.  Folks would be all over that, I'm guessing.

They should name it ''Dark Age of Camelot: The Second Coming"

I'm just cool like that.


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9/22/09 10:02:33 AM#13

If they can't face the facts, I have no hope for any future games from them.

They lost most people when they launched with totally broken classes and such awful balancing between classes and factions that the game just wasn't fun to play.

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9/22/09 10:09:56 AM#14

  We'll never know the real reasons why WAR  launched as is...however one can reasonably infer that EA had much to do with it.  That being said...a return to Camelot would be wonderful - as long as there's no 'New Frontiers'.


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9/22/09 10:25:14 AM#15

 Aside from the botters I could deal with everything else from DAoC. I'm not much for pvp but for some reason when I played DAoC I was  felt a sudden urge to explore the frontiers and hunt those dirty hibbies. MIDGARD RULES!!!!!!


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9/22/09 10:26:33 AM#16

As someone who didnt play DaoC, can someone tell me some highlights of it's features?


I.E Is there crafting/gahtering ? Full loot .. And so on.


Ive often heard about it from people whom i used to play UO with as something good.


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9/22/09 11:38:06 AM#17

Jeff, please don't get my hopes up over DAoC if you're not really serious.  If I could go back to DAoC pre ToA, with some updating with the good things out of today's MMOs, I'd do it in a flash. Man, just the thought gives me chills.



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9/22/09 12:59:28 PM#18

I enjoyed Warhammer Online.  There are many fun things about it, but in the end I quit playing, more to try other mmos rather than because of its faults.  I think I will re-sub to DAoC.  I loved that mmo.  Anyone still play?


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9/22/09 4:47:48 PM#19

As someone who played doac up until toa i had high hopes that war would be an amazing game. Unfortunately mythic learned nothing from their mistakes with daoc and his 3 big reasons why war didnt do as well as hoped only highlight this.


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9/22/09 5:47:51 PM#20

Dark Age of Camelot 2!

/signed in blood...Hibbie blood!


I played DAoC for almost 7 years, only reason I quit was I couldn't afford it ;_;

I've said for awhile, alot of people would buy a DAoC2 even if it was the exact same game (original, maybe with SI, but original was best) just updated engine and graphics...I wouldn't need to eat if that happened, so I could afford it then :)

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