Simple, check out the list:

Pro's:
twitch based combat

city building and siege warfare

Cons:

Harvesting is just a bar that goes across the screen.  Takes about 10 seconds to harvest one ore if you're successful on each swing, at first you might only harvest 60 ore in an hour.  5 ore = 1 ingot.  SUPER SLOW SYSTEM.  It's also the longest grind of a crafting system ever, and the most boring one.   Worse than Roma Victor... and in Roma Victor, you craft dung piles...  excuse me, dung_piles...  At least in that game you don't watch a bar go across your screen.  Unless you own a city then things get faster, but there's only a few guilds with enough people to do that... then you'd just be joining a zerg, or a dead city.

You have to macro to stay competative.  Stats go up too slow on their own, and stats can mean a 200-400 hp difference and you only start with less than 200hp basically.  1str = 1hp, 1 vit = 2hp, you start with 20str/20vit and if you don't macro you'll only gain half a point to a point a day in each.  After 50 in each you can then get the extra skills that once again give you more health.  See where I'm getting?   With normal play it'd take you 6 months if not longer to get your stats maxed out, and you'd have to macro it because no one could do it in their right mind playing.

There's just absolutely no way you could remain competative with the long term players, and those that macro if you do not macro yourself!

At least 75% of the player base macros. Go to any city and you will see plenty of people macroing "swimming, riding, running" and if you're going to harvest you're going to afk macro it promise me.  The moderators on the forums say they think the dev's stopped banning for this weeks ago because it's so prevailent.

The developers never say anything about what's coming, what's going on, what stage the patch is in... etc...  You'll never hear a peep from them on their forums, etc.

The UI (User Interface) is amateur at best.  In order to rest you have to right click, drag rest to your hot bar, right click again then hit 1 then left click.  It's just such a pain in the ass to learn and get familiar with it.

You move like a snail.  Even with mounts it's not much faster.  No natural teleportation, so you'll run for hours in an empty world.

Looting;  graves will litter the landscape where you're farming, none of the graves diffrentiating which have been looted and what kind of mob it is visually, and monsters run around constantly so you'll always be guessing where the body of that last mob was...  when you do find it, you have to drag each individual item to a bag, and don't even bother organizing your bag the game seems to randomize everything in it periodically...  by the time you do find it another mob spawns and interrupts your looting!  It's a chore.

Quests:  If you like quests that LITERALLY tell you to kill 400 goblin creatures, then this is the game for you.  I don't.  You get 2 stat points and 2,000 gold for completing this...  yay.  You farm twice that killing 400 goblins and earn even just as much stat points.  TO view your quests, you have to right click, click journal or quests then wait for a BROWSER TO LOAD!  ARGGH VISTA NOOO!  Haha.  My game tends to crash when I click it... and if it doesn't, it's a pain in the ass to navigate it.

Banking.  Most people just bank all their equipment if they're being attacked in their cities or are macroing, and so far all the people i've pked have never had anything useful on them because everyone just banks anything valuable.    The bank also likes to randomize the things in your bank so you have no idea where things are so don't bother organizing it.

Melee; sucks.  You can't solo mobs they hit too hard at higher levels.  You can't kill anyone they just sprint away, jump and cast at you.  They're the same speed as you... and some spells don't use nearly as much stamina as parry or attack...  once you're out of stam, you're dead.

The mob AI is retarded.  It just runs in circles and zig zags around and then retreats then charges then retreats and runs in circles.  A lot of mobs that could three hit you instead choose to cast debuffs, and other things that take awhile to cast and can miss you, but if a melee gets up close they'll hit you.

City building is retarded.  Walls don't line up right on most map areas.  So they're basically useless.  You can grab a siege hammer and beat on anyone's house, etc...  any time of the day, including 3 am if they wanted to.  It takes weeks to build such a building, so imagine how annoying it is when something gets destroyed at night.

Hacks are super plentiful.   I was pked by speed hackers multiple times.  They were on foot and i was on a mount and they were right on my butt the whole time with some sort of auto follow system.  Not to mention radar (shows wherever you are) and teleport, logging out under water, etc...

Tons of griefing with no real point.  People just pk new players constantly in some areas, because the newb spawns are also where high levels sometimes hang out to gain skills (yes it doesn't matter if you fight a high level mob or lower... you gain the same skill) so raiding parties come and just clear the area. 

As a new clan (we were about 20 people strong) we couldn't really get anyone new, and I was the newest person to join in awhile because there isn't a lot of people on and not a lot of people joining this game.  It's a dead world.  I remember on one of the 6 shadowbane servers when it was dieing I could always find 3 people each day to recruit to my guild.

The world is barren and void of players.  The only players are in the two super large alliances.  By super large I mean they probably have 500 people and 500 people respectively from what I could make out of the political landscape.  That's pretty much where all the players are.   There's only one server, so that tells you how popular this game is.

Sound and music is horrid.  It just sounds like someone making random sounds periodically.  No voice acting. 

Graphics tend to chug the best of systems yet they're dated (less than Vanguard graphics).

Random disconnects, and you can't rejoin for 10 minutes. 

There's no classes.  You'll join and after a week of pvp you'll realize everyone has the same spells, same melee skills and archery... they just have it higher than you so you could never really win in the first place no matter what you train.

Imagine playing Counter-Strike where you have 100 HP and a pistol.  Then the guy you're against has 300 HP and a AK-47.  Then when you go to complain about the grind that's limiting you from catching up you'll be told to quit the game and leave because you're not hardcore enough for it!

Possibly the worse of all or 2nd worse...

The community is the PLAGUE.  Yes.  THE PLAGUE.  They are prison inmates.  They are creatures from hell.  Okay a little exaggorated... but not much.  They are nothing but mean, egotistic and lack empathy.  It is the worse of the worse that play here...  So even if the game was good, I wouldn't recommend playing this game, ever.  Trust me.  All you'll run into around the world is grief, with the exception of a few.  Maybe it's not the same for all races... but you can just go to the official forums, and read the constant hatred, bashing, etc... that they give anyone who wants to voice their opinion, or post anything at all.

Worse of all...

There's NO FLIPPING REFUND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This alone makes you wonder.  I'm a retard for buying this product for my sister and I (we were desperate for a game like Shadowbane now that it died) and were taken in by this scam of a game.

Think of HellGate London or any of those other small dev team games that flopped...

ROMA VICTOR!! That's what this is.  Just as many players as well.

Bottom Line:

Not worth 50 bucks.  If it was free and 15 bucks a month I'd say if you're a big jerk in real life then give it a try.

It's going to be at least two years before this game is on the same production value of other MMORPG's currently on the market.  The problem is, this game has had several million in funds to work with, and over 5 years of development... if it's not ready now, it may never be.  Most likely this game will be closed so no point investing in it.

I predicted HellGate London would close, Shadowbane would close, etc...  This game is 1/10th of what Shadowbane was.

I can promise you you're not "hardcore" enough for the community, nor will you ever be in their eyes so look to better horizons like Aion and others.

 Stay away!  You'll catch the plague!

1. Harvesting and crafting is not much better in most other games. However there are a few unique pluses to this system. The need to harvest in the open world makes you vulnerable, which makes raiding enemy's economic workers a viable strategy, and necessitates the need for protection. It fuels PvP both ways. When it comes to crafting the most important stuff are enchanting materials that must be skinned from mobs, which necessitates exploring to find all the mobs that drop what you need, forming PvE groups to get it, being prepared to PvP if you must fight others over it, and trading with people in far away lands who have the materials you can't easily get for the materials you can easily get.

2. I've never macroed, I am competitive. The recent changes made it much more productive to level by PvEing. There's more to being competitive than raw skill levels in this game. It's about who you play with and how well you work together.

3. The UI works the way it does for a reason, and it works for this game pretty well once you get use to it. An FPS MMORPG requires a unique approach without autotarget. The hassle you find with looting and inventory is by design, it's UO style and is suppose to make it more difficult to loot a lot of stuff in combat, or make it more difficult to bank a lot of stuff quickly.

4. It's called a sandbox game. Ie. Player driven goals. The best content is the content you make yourself. The best quests are the objectives your guild sets forth to achieve (Whether they be PvE, harvesting/crafting, or PvP objectives), and the unexpected challenges that pop up as other players will get in your way.  That's real questing. If you want arbitrary bullshit where they tell you to kill 400 goblins but give you some nice text to read while you do it then go play LOTRO. DFO is not a manufactured quest driven game, it's a sandbox PvP game. You don't have to like it, but don't try to bash it because you don't understand what kind of game it is and who it caters to.

5. You have no clue. You won't start getting real gear off people until you start doing real PvP, with real guilds. If all you do is run around newbie lands as an unguilded newb all you're going to get is goblin loot. If you want uber loot then you've got to be in situations where people gear up in thier best because the outcome of said battle matters more than the loss of their gear, and this happens all the time you just aren't a part of it yet.

6. This is just you bitching about being a newb who doesn't understand combat. I couldn't begin to pick apart everything that is wrong with what you just tried to say.

7. Just like players, they dodge. It's frustrating, yes, we'd all like mobs to just stand there and take our arrows like in other games, but you forget this is an FPS game and in FPS games good enemy AI won't make your job easy.

8. You can't destroy player houses. Walls don't defend you, players do. Join a better guild.

9. PK is not griefing in a game based around open world PK. If you believe that then you made a poor choice of games and should go back to WOW.

10. I'm bored of your ignorance at this point and won't bother further.

Couldnt believe the comments Daveospice said about the community.......then I read the reply of warty and thought, 'yeah i thik Daveospice its most probably right about the community afterall'.....

Originally posted by vala2008

Couldnt believe the comments Daveospice said about the community.......then I read the reply of warty and thought, 'yeah i thik Daveospice its most probably right about the community afterall'.....

ROFLMAO.   It must have been.......... unique cause it got modded already.

I'm waiting for a few changes that will probably never happen before I give this game a go.

Why can't they just offer a free trial so I can see for myself?  Those who like this game ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!  Those who dislike it, hate it completely. 

How can I know which camp i'll be in?

While I pretty much agree with everything you said, I do have one question.

You are buying and MMORPG.  You use up a product key that is no longer valid when you install the game.  Why would you think you should be entitled to a refund for an MMORPG?  I've been playing MMORPGs for 15 years and once you open the box (or use the digital key) the game is your's.  Always has been that way in the U.S., always will.  When you order DFO you are not ordering a free trial.  You are paying for the game.

Unless you are specifically taking advantage of a free trial offer from a company, your point has no merit.

Originally posted by madeux

Why can't they just offer a free trial so I can see for myself?  Those who like this game ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!  Those who dislike it, hate it completely. 

How can I know which camp i'll be in?

That is the chance you take when you refuse to wait for a company to come out with free trial offers.  The only person to blame will be staring back at you in the mirror if buy it and hate it. 

Is your sister hot?

 Here is what I dont get and this isnt a direct shot at the OP.   This has all be said before many many many times.  Its not like you had zero warning of this. Also no MMO gives a refund its standard and you knew this going in. As far as the community you make a blanket statement and its not always the case. There are some good guilds that play with some great people. There are even a couple of good folks on this very board. You went in with very little research apparently and was expecting sugar and got spice.

5 ore = 2 ingots btw.... sounds like you didnt play much.

I bet the OP played the game just after the open beta was over and he decide to post his review that he wrote a long time ago. Today, many stuff changed BTW. There is no more grind, you can be competitive after only a week if you join a good guild. Soon, there will be a new expansion at the 9 october that will add more stuff that are lacking.

DF is a paid beta  So thats why it wont get a free trial. It will get it when the game will be fully complete just like EVE online did.

I may not necessarily agree with the emotions involved in his post, but everything he said is actually true.  Those are all problems with the game, and I and many others have quit already. 

It's really a crime they don't give a refund.  I came on here read a bunch of positive posts and said hey this might be fun then after buying it realized there's no refund and how i just got jacked.

Totally jacked.

This game is never going to be good.  It won't live long enough to be good, I'd reccommend people try Fallen Earth or Aion, they're both great games in comparison and VERY simular.  Both twitch based combat.

He didn't play long enough though to witness the l33t players who macro'd their chars so they know every school of magic and just cycle through AOES (which defeat the purpose of twitch based imo).

You do have to join a guild.  You can't solo right away anyway, it'd take you months solo to be viable.  If you join a guild you can get armor/weapons you couldn't normally acquire your first month.

Originally posted by jonsnow13

I may not necessarily agree with the emotions involved in his post, but everything he said is actually true.  Those are all problems with the game, and I and many others have quit already. 

It's really a crime they don't give a refund.  I came on here read a bunch of positive posts and said hey this might be fun then after buying it realized there's no refund and how i just got jacked.

Totally jacked.

This game is never going to be good.  It won't live long enough to be good, I'd reccommend people try Fallen Earth or Aion, they're both great games in comparison and VERY simular.  Both twitch based combat.

He didn't play long enough though to witness the l33t players who macro'd their chars so they know every school of magic and just cycle through AOES (which defeat the purpose of twitch based imo).

You do have to join a guild.  You can't solo right away anyway, it'd take you months solo to be viable.  If you join a guild you can get armor/weapons you couldn't normally acquire your first month.

There is never a refund ever when a key is used and consumed its been this way for as long as I can remember. Also when in the world was this site ever littered with a lot of positive posts? Most of what the OP stated is subjective and opinion. Not defending the fail that is DF but still opinion all the same. Theres a ton of things wrong with DF but at the end of the day it is what it is. 

Originally posted by jonsnow13

I may not necessarily agree with the emotions involved in his post, but everything he said is actually true.  Those are all problems with the game, and I and many others have quit already. 

It's really a crime they don't give a refund.  I came on here read a bunch of positive posts and said hey this might be fun then after buying it realized there's no refund and how i just got jacked.

Totally jacked.

This game is never going to be good.  It won't live long enough to be good, I'd reccommend people try Fallen Earth or Aion, they're both great games in comparison and VERY simular.  Both twitch based combat.

He didn't play long enough though to witness the l33t players who macro'd their chars so they know every school of magic and just cycle through AOES (which defeat the purpose of twitch based imo).

You do have to join a guild.  You can't solo right away anyway, it'd take you months solo to be viable.  If you join a guild you can get armor/weapons you couldn't normally acquire your first month.

There is no refound for a computer game 1st of all unless you dont open the box and DF, you buy it online and its a computer game so once you pay, you cant get a refound anyways.

Fallen earth? HAHAHAHA you deserve rather then a simple lol. Many say that fallen earth sux because it lack of pvp a lot and they say its boring because nothing happen when its suppose to be an apocalypse game. Df is more apocalypse then fallen earth lol. They even say that questing is super boring.

So seriously, i dont know where you at.

BTW, i hate those geek word so il go with Elite. I suggest you to come back to DF because me too, i left because i dont like grinding game, but i like pvp, but i dont want to grind all day just to be competitive on pvp. Today, they made a patch where you can max really quick to be competitive so no one macro anymore and hardcore players whine about it because they say that they did all those no life grinding for nothing after all. If you play 4 to 6 hours verydays like me, you can be competitive at pvp, be able to kill any players depend on your self player skill after 1 week to 1 month even if you solo the whole time.

And if you are not interested yet, join after the 9 october after the new expansion. melee and rage balance, magic nerf. Chance to get a skill cap system, local banks and caravan. I dont know what else, but after the 9 october, DF will look more like what DF is suppose to be.

Dont wonder why DF right now is almost the most popular game at mmorpg.com just before aion.

Originally posted by madeux

Why can't they just offer a free trial so I can see for myself?  Those who like this game ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!  Those who dislike it, hate it completely. 

How can I know which camp i'll be in?

Yeah, that's the boat I'm in.  I'm on the fence on this game and am getting mixed reviews from most of the forums I am reading.  Makes it a tough decision.

Originally posted by Harabeck

Is your sister hot?

good question.

Originally posted by madeux

Why can't they just offer a free trial so I can see for myself?  Those who like this game ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!  Those who dislike it, hate it completely. 

How can I know which camp i'll be in?

the light from above brightened a small rock.. and out of that rock a 14 day free trial appeared. People who don't have money to throw around are also still waiting.

While I dont agree with your review I will defend to the death your right to post it on the illustrious mmorpg.com forums.

Good luck with your future endeavours.

I suggest Aion, I heard you can fly.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by jonsnow13

I may not necessarily agree with the emotions involved in his post, but everything he said is actually true.  Those are all problems with the game, and I and many others have quit already. 

It's really a crime they don't give a refund.  I came on here read a bunch of positive posts and said hey this might be fun then after buying it realized there's no refund and how i just got jacked.

Totally jacked.

This game is never going to be good.  It won't live long enough to be good, I'd reccommend people try Fallen Earth or Aion, they're both great games in comparison and VERY simular.  Both twitch based combat.

He didn't play long enough though to witness the l33t players who macro'd their chars so they know every school of magic and just cycle through AOES (which defeat the purpose of twitch based imo).

You do have to join a guild.  You can't solo right away anyway, it'd take you months solo to be viable.  If you join a guild you can get armor/weapons you couldn't normally acquire your first month.

There is no refound for a computer game 1st of all unless you dont open the box and DF, you buy it online and its a computer game so once you pay, you cant get a refound anyways.

Fallen earth? HAHAHAHA you deserve rather then a simple lol. Many say that fallen earth sux because it lack of pvp a lot and they say its boring because nothing happen when its suppose to be an apocalypse game. Df is more apocalypse then fallen earth lol. They even say that questing is super boring.

So seriously, i dont know where you at.

BTW, i hate those geek word so il go with Elite. I suggest you to come back to DF because me too, i left because i dont like grinding game, but i like pvp, but i dont want to grind all day just to be competitive on pvp. Today, they made a patch where you can max really quick to be competitive so no one macro anymore and hardcore players whine about it because they say that they did all those no life grinding for nothing after all. If you play 4 to 6 hours verydays like me, you can be competitive at pvp, be able to kill any players depend on your self player skill after 1 week to 1 month even if you solo the whole time.

And if you are not interested yet, join after the 9 october after the new expansion. melee and rage balance, magic nerf. Chance to get a skill cap system, local banks and caravan. I dont know what else, but after the 9 october, DF will look more like what DF is suppose to be.

Dont wonder why DF right now is almost the most popular game at mmorpg.com just before aion.

Its funny people like you claim that people who dont play the game make wrong assumptions but they you say that about FE. FE is a great game and you havent even played so get informed. At least I tried DF and can fuss about it.

There is a reason i tell people that they don't fit Darkfall and should keep away.

I am getting harsh critics by my own (i mean Darkfall players and fans of the game like i am) but as you can see in these example. If i have been kept such folks not worthy to join us in Darkfall from join us we have been spared of the hater and foul topics.

I have been watching the posts of these OP and if   i have had told him since his  first post:

"You dont fit in Darkfall buy you some AION or some other  crap with classes and quests and instances out there"

He would been  thankfull  now..

I think he may have typo'd the ingot thing, as it only takes 5 minutes to find that out and he said in his post he mined a lot.

As for me personally, I don't think i'll ever give Darkfall another chance.  Even if they happen to make the game good, like the OP said the community is full of prison inmates.   Their mentality seems to spread to everyone else that is left in the game, as you either adopt it or get pushed out by the community.

Someone should take Darkfall out to sea, and shoot it and hope the community drowns with it because seriously just go to Darkfall forums (www.darkfallonline.com) and read through the posts.  You'll have people like me who post suggestions, etc...  then get 12 replies immediately cussing/name calling/telling you to leave the game.

 I didn't have this problem with Shadowbane, which is strange.  I always thought the Shadowbane community was helpful.

Originally posted by jonsnow13

I think he may have typo'd the ingot thing, as it only takes 5 minutes to find that out and he said in his post he mined a lot.

As for me personally, I don't think i'll ever give Darkfall another chance.  Even if they happen to make the game good, like the OP said the community is full of prison inmates.   Their mentality seems to spread to everyone else that is left in the game, as you either adopt it or get pushed out by the community.

Someone should take Darkfall out to sea, and shoot it and hope the community drowns with it because seriously just go to Darkfall forums (www.darkfallonline.com) and read through the posts.  You'll have people like me who post suggestions, etc...  then get 12 replies immediately cussing/name calling/telling you to leave the game.

 I didn't have this problem with Shadowbane, which is strange.  I always thought the Shadowbane community was helpful.

thats because shadowbane came and went before the uber hardcore pvp folks caught onto mmo's. and im in darkfall and its fucking insane, people are such douche bags to each other non stop hahaha. you can trust a red more then u can trust ur own damn race.

people just thrive off back stabbing each other at any moment possible

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by jonsnow13

I may not necessarily agree with the emotions involved in his post, but everything he said is actually true.  Those are all problems with the game, and I and many others have quit already. 

It's really a crime they don't give a refund.  I came on here read a bunch of positive posts and said hey this might be fun then after buying it realized there's no refund and how i just got jacked.

Totally jacked.

This game is never going to be good.  It won't live long enough to be good, I'd reccommend people try Fallen Earth or Aion, they're both great games in comparison and VERY simular.  Both twitch based combat.

He didn't play long enough though to witness the l33t players who macro'd their chars so they know every school of magic and just cycle through AOES (which defeat the purpose of twitch based imo).

You do have to join a guild.  You can't solo right away anyway, it'd take you months solo to be viable.  If you join a guild you can get armor/weapons you couldn't normally acquire your first month.

There is no refound for a computer game 1st of all unless you dont open the box and DF, you buy it online and its a computer game so once you pay, you cant get a refound anyways.

Fallen earth? HAHAHAHA you deserve rather then a simple lol. Many say that fallen earth sux because it lack of pvp a lot and they say its boring because nothing happen when its suppose to be an apocalypse game. Df is more apocalypse then fallen earth lol. They even say that questing is super boring.

So seriously, i dont know where you at.

BTW, i hate those geek word so il go with Elite. I suggest you to come back to DF because me too, i left because i dont like grinding game, but i like pvp, but i dont want to grind all day just to be competitive on pvp. Today, they made a patch where you can max really quick to be competitive so no one macro anymore and hardcore players whine about it because they say that they did all those no life grinding for nothing after all. If you play 4 to 6 hours verydays like me, you can be competitive at pvp, be able to kill any players depend on your self player skill after 1 week to 1 month even if you solo the whole time.

And if you are not interested yet, join after the 9 october after the new expansion. melee and rage balance, magic nerf. Chance to get a skill cap system, local banks and caravan. I dont know what else, but after the 9 october, DF will look more like what DF is suppose to be.

Dont wonder why DF right now is almost the most popular game at mmorpg.com just before aion.

Its funny people like you claim that people who dont play the game make wrong assumptions but they you say that about FE. FE is a great game and you havent even played so get informed. At least I tried DF and can fuss about it.

No doubt! How did FE get pulled into this thread about whether or not DF sucks ass? Man, Fallen Earth was just minding its own business, then caught some crazy shrapnel. (Fallen Earth is a great game, by the way)

Fallen Earth and Aion are the death of this game.  They're both waaayyy better.

As far as those saying "go back to WoW"....

WoW Is way more hardcore than this game will ever be.  It's also cheaper and way higher production value.

WoW's the only game I know that people chose to lose their wives/husbands, jobs, etc... just so they could play it a little more.  Name one game that's more hardcore than that.

So before you start saying Darkfall's more hardcore...  play WoW to the highest level, and try getting the best gear and I'll tell you right now it puts this game to shame. 

Darkfall is a bargain bin game charged at 50 dollars.  It's a crime really.

Originally posted by daveospice

Fallen Earth and Aion are the death of this game.  They're both waaayyy better.

Fallen Earth and Aion aren't better, they are appeal to a different audience. People who like DFO, SB, SWG, MO, EvE ect will most likely not care for FE or Aion becuase both those games are theme park games where as the games mentioned are all sandbox.  Anyways, Aion's end game PvP is a joke and FE lacks depth in their poltiical system becuase its not player ran.