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I bought Champions 7 nights ago and its really made me afraid that STO wont be such a great experience. If Cryptic thinks that Champions is actually an MMO then we should all be afraid.
The main reason Im afraid is because the game is pretty much exactly what CoH is. right down to the combat animations and UI, its just a CoH clone with the same mission and no point to it other than getting xp to get higher level to get more attacks to repeat until your sick of it. Star Trek is certainly not about combat and shallow immersion. It screams for depth and social gameplay elements. Cryptic's track record is to make mmo-lite games soley focused on repetitive combat. Im not expecting the depth of say other virtual world mmo's like star wars galaxies or Ultima but at this point it looks like world of warcraft will have more social gameplay than anything cryptic can dream up |
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Just now you're realizing that STO will be a failure? You haven't been keeping up with the news on that game. |
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Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Oh, I don't know if it will be a failure. It might turn out to be a very fun space combat game. I do think that most Trek fans will hate it, though. |
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Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
I guess I'm in that slow bus too. I'd been trying to keep an open mind about it, but in light of some of Cryptic's recent doings I'm going to have to give this one a pass. And I could give a rat's arse about player crews. The Ninja Nerf Patch at launch and the total 180 on RMT as a model with Champions make it hard for me to be a subscriber. I really hope the people that like those things find enjoyment with STO. As for me, I'm done playing games just because I'm a die hard fan of the IP from other media forms. Asheron's Call. The one open world, classless progression, live team content oriented game that ALL game sites and developers show little respect for as a template to pattern future MMOs after.
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Im holding out hope for STO but honestly after CoH and then Champions (which took a step back in mmo complexity in my op) Im worried. The one thing that I totally wont accept is that mirrored instancing garbage. I didnt put up with it in Age of Conan. I didnt like it in Champions. And I wont play STO if it has it. I pay to play massive mo games. Not multiplayer thank you very much. you listening cryptic ? |
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Yea. I was even going to preorder this game but no way now. I have been a Trekky since I was a little boy and this IS NOT Star Trek. NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE A GOD DAMN CAPTAIN CRYPTIC! YOU MORONS!!!!!!
Way to ruin an IP that could have made a freakin awesome MMO. |
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Raltar
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Joined: 1/28/06
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Originally posted by plaguess Um... DUH? CO has the same concept as CoX and is being developed by the exact same people who made CoX. I knew it was going to be an exact clone of CoX when they first announced it. It was pretty much a foregone conclusion. I'm not going to count that aginst STO, because there is still a chance that they will actually see that STO is a different game and will actually make an effort to design it with some new features. What I WILL count aginst Cryptic is that they did use a cash shop ("Micro-Transactions" as the industry likes to call them to make it sound less evil) in CO and it soulds like they plan to do the same in STO. That is a major point aginst the game. The fact they also plan to cross-develop the game for consoles as well is another major point aginst it. Unless they do an EXTREMELY GOOD job with the exploration aspect of this game and make the universe HUGE and WITHOUT INSTANCES, then I can't imagine that STO will be any good. Hopefully the owners of the Star Trek IP can see this and will pressure Cryptic to keep the game as open ended as possible... but its looking like a long shot. Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
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Glad I didn't bother with Champions. I may play it with a free trial. But just by looking to the graphic style was enough for me to pass on this.
And about STO, I am not sure if I will buy it at release unless it convinces me. AoC and Champions are showing perhaps a new trend in MMO development. Instances/Mirrors in every corner. Adding to that the typical quest to "kill X variations of rats" is expected. Lastly, I dont want o play a hero wanna-be either. I am tired of that. |
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Originally posted by LtJohnnyRico
Star Trek fans are genrally happy they finally have a Trek MMO that is made by a reputable developer, who know what Star Trek is about. Star Trek Online Correspondent "I don't fear failure. I only fear the slowing up of the engine inside of me which is saying, "Keep going, someone must be on top, why not you?" |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
"If I'm not back in 5 minutes... Just wait longer." -Ace Ventura |
Originally posted by Chastian
Star Trek fans are genrally happy they finally have a Trek MMO that is made by a reputable developer, who know what Star Trek is about. I second this. It's actually a very small and vocal cross section of the fan base that has any problems with the direction this game is going in. Go to any other forum besides MMORPG.com and this is readily apparent. Only here do you see a lot of negative posts regarding this game. Everywhere else the response to STO is overwhelmingly positive. People here just seem to go out of their way to find fault with everything.
As for CO... it seems to have had a rather smooth launch as far as MMOs go and is far from being a failure. As for it being just like CoH... if you mean they are both superhero games you are correct but the similarities pretty much end there. I played CoH extensively and if you think CO is just like it you either only played each game for 10 minutes or your just making stuff up to find fault with CO.
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Originally posted by Chastian
Star Trek fans are genrally happy they finally have a Trek MMO that is made by a reputable developer, who know what Star Trek is about.
So. . . your saying that your not gonna do this? Mayby i'm just "politically paranoid" but it seems your not answerin the question. But then again Lt. is a lil "expressive" in his replies :)
I for one am a Huge ST fan(well STNG) I'm looking forward to the release, but not gonna get my hopes up. To Protect The Helpless From The Heartless |
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I have to agree. MMORPG.COM is a breeding ground for Negative Nancy's... The Adventures of Fat Gamer - http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/FatGamer |
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Originally posted by Chastian
Star Trek fans are genrally happy they finally have a Trek MMO that is made by a reputable developer, who know what Star Trek is about.
let me correct that statement... star trek fans who play consoles and have no mmo experience will be happy with a trek MMO made by cryptic. they wont know any better. those of us who expect an honest to goodness fully fleshed out mmo with thousands of other trek fans immersed in a trek virtual world wont be so happy. especially with mirrored instancing and go kill 5 blank or collect 5 item quests. didnt cryptic hear any of the complaints and learn from funcom's mistake ? call us crazy but mmo gamers have this silly idea that well mmo's means massive. Im not trying to be a jerk here or anything. I just want what Ive always received for my $50 purchase of an mmo. if cryptic cant deliver a simple server that can support a measely 10,000 players then why am i paying full price ? Heck a couple of guys in a basement built EVE and they have 250,000 players on a single server. Even Sony managed to build servers to support 500+ players in an area without blowing the server up in Galaxies. mirrored instances stinks and I bet Im not the only one who will stand for it. I remember the shock and outrage when players in Age of Conan realized they were cut off from each other. Look how well that game did. |
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ok explain the problems in a way that somebody who is not a trekky could understand. Please |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
"If I'm not back in 5 minutes... Just wait longer." -Ace Ventura |
Originally posted by tro44_1 It isn't really a 'Trekkie' problem the OP has. He doesn't like the idea of mirrored instances in a game. A mirrored instance is a way for a MMO to control overcrowding in zones. How it works is when a zone gets to whatever the population cap is it recreates itself to handle the excess players. This means that any given zone could possibly have several different instances of itself with the player population spread out evenly among them.
I for one don't really have a problem with this as we don't even know what the population cap per zone will be for STO. It could be 100,500 or 1000 for all we know. The game hasn't even hit beta yet and the OP is talking like he's already played it so I think he's jumping the gun a little. This is not CO so the zone population caps will be different for this game. There may not even be population caps for most zones for all we know.
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I never really had any faith that cryptic could do a Star Trek MMO. Star Trek is all about exploration, story and characters. It has little to do with action. Some of the best stories in star trek have no action. Cryptic's weak point is telling a story. So to think that they would suddenly develop the skills to weave a tale strong enough to carry Star Trek is ludicrous. CO and COX were weak on content so we know exploration is out. And characters...well...who is Statesman again? This will be the second MMO Bioware has to remake. Overall, cryptic is a C-/B+ studio. They put out passable games that fille a niche. I don't think they are up to the task of bringing Star Trek to life. Go check out the forums and you will see Trekies arguing Cryptic breaking cannon and the game isn't even in beta yet. Star Trek is a game you have to handle with kid gloves because that audience is nuts. |
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Personally i love Champions graphics after i turned off the black borders. Game looks great with incredible draw distance. Combat is fun but their is a lack of variety in zones which bothers me and i don't know how long the game can keep me interested. However the main feature i was looking forward to in STO was player crews and exploration. Combat and UI come as distant seconds to me when its a Star Trek game. |
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Raltar
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Joined: 1/28/06
Asking for help on the internet is like asking a swarm of bees why they are stinging you! |
Originally posted by Chastian (STO "Correspondent")
Oh god... I see that a guy with a grand total of 12 posts has become the STO Correspondent. If this is anything like when "Amazing Avery" became the Correspondent for AoC then we are in for several years of warnings and bans every time we say anything bad about this game... until it releases and everyone sees what is truly going on, despite what the "Correspondent" would have us believe. Shame on the owners of this site... Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
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Shannia
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Joined: 11/06/05
"World of WarCraft is held alive solely by the mediocrity of competing products." RendRegen |
Originally posted by Raltar
Oh god... I see that a guy with a grand total of 12 posts has become the STO Correspondent. If this is anything like when "Amazing Avery" became the Correspondent for AoC then we are in for several years of warnings and bans every time we say anything bad about this game... until it releases and everyone sees what is truly going on, despite what the "Correspondent" would have us believe. Shame on the owners of this site...
I'm guessing Chastian is someone "hiding" in pen name and is a recognized member of the STO community or else I have to agree Raltar. While I don't hold management against not picking me to be a writer or mod, someone with just 12 posts hardly seems credible.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product." |
Originally posted by Shannia
I'm guessing Chastian is someone "hiding" in pen name and is a recognized member of the STO community or else I have to agree Raltar. While I don't hold management against not picking me to be a writer or mod, someone with just 12 posts hardly seems credible.
Don't mind these so called Trekkies. Just give them one or maybe a couple months tops... and they crawl back to their forums, be silent and pretend STO never existed.
When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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Originally posted by Chastian No, they are not. They're not happy. They're not reputable. They don't know what Star Trek is about. Aside from those points, your post is fine. Oh, and the spelling error. |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
"If I'm not back in 5 minutes... Just wait longer." -Ace Ventura |
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter No, I'm not. I'm not happy. I don't think they are reputable. I think they don't know what Star Trek is about. Aside from those points, your post is fine. Oh, and the spelling error. Fixed it for you. You speak for yourself and not the Star Trek community. Most are fine with it.
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When i play champions i dont feel connected to wider community. Im in an instance 1 of 30, nobody talks in general chat, the quests are 99% solo, you never see the same person in the game more than once. It just makes the experience feel lacking.
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Originally posted by Brenelael On what higher authority do you make that claim? From the people I have spoken to, and the posts here on this topic, you are wrong. |
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Originally posted by plaguess
I can't say the quests are all boring, but most of what you say is 100% correct. There is a lot of grounds to fear the instance-fest this game will be. And from what I have seen there is nothing Star Trek about a game that is mainly combat driven (be that ground or in space). ____________________________ favorite mmo: SWG (pre cu/nge) played: SWG, WoW, WAR (beta), COH/V, EVE, Tabula Rasa |
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