I agree and disagree with the op.  ITs the chicken beofre the egg kind of arguement.  Is wow a bad game becuase of the community?  OR is the community bad becuase of wow?  I think the latter and then it spirals out of control.

I really didn't know how bad the community was until I left my guild and wow and started playing LOTRO by myself.  I don't group alot in LOTRO nor belong to any guilds.  However I only met one problem juvenile person the 6 months since I started the game.

I did not quit because of the players... I quit because of the gameplay.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by grandpagamer

WOW appeals to the ADD youth as its cheap and easy.  It is a meeting place where being obnoxious is permitted and the immature feed off one another. A cheap  hooker has more business than a high priced whore but that is not an endorsement of quality.

 

Except all MMO's are cheap hookers and anyone could just easily go to another one, but they keep going to that some one over and over even tho the other ones are exactly the same price.

Dont you just love failed analogies :P

Its the feeding frenzy of the obnoxious and the ADD that keeps them there. Better is available but their actions are not acceptable by the higher class communities.

 

What do you mean higher class communities, again this holds absolutely no water, you wont be accepted by any respectable guild as well, nothing is stopping me from being an ass in any other game, the only reason you notice it much more its because there are more people, in a game which is mainly core , and/or niche the people playing are usually the more dedicated kind, there is a lower % of casual players who dont care much about the "end-game" and just want to do their own thing, wow has alot of these casuals however who only pvp or only login to do dailies whatever reason and being respect or not is not in their agenda.

Nothing is stopping me from going into one of your "higher class communities" and being an ass in the same way, and there would be alot of assholes if it was as popular as wow, because it isnt ppl who play it again like I mentioned above are more focused on playing the game in a more mature way, the same way dedicated guilds in WoW do the same and dont tolerate this type of behaviour, if it was as popular it would be exactly the same. It has nothing to do with "Class" lol that is such a stupid remark, ppl actually believe there is a higher class of MMO player because they PLAY a different COMPUTER GAME.

WOW has the worst community of any MMO ive played. Its not just my opinion its pretty much known. Higher class communities do exist and have a way of shunning the foul mouthed children in say, WOW trade chat. Now is about the time for you to make a "your mom" comment im sure.

 

Im sorry you lacked the intellect to actually discuss and argue with the points I made on the previous post you quoted, again you said the same thing yet failed to address any of the arguments I brought forward and decided to end your post with a futile attempt to flame or somehow derail the thread which only really means you dont have any arguments to add to this discussion and/or did not understood anything of what I posted, whatever is the reason I must assume you simply dont know better and we must end the discussion.

 

Yes your intellect is only overshadowed by your arrogance. I have other things to do than argue whether WOW sucks or not and im sure you have  some purple gear to polish. So lets just leave it that you love WOW and i think it sucks. Much simpler than the work involved with long drawn out speeches that amount to nothing.

See the point of this discussion was never if WoW sucked or not, it was yours tho, if you had spent the time to actually understand what was being discussed and/or even read any other posts you would have realized I do agree there is a maturity problem in the WoW community, because I did not agree with the ways you stereotyped everything in the first place you decided that raging against the game you dont like or against me was the best way to win the argument and completely ignored anything being discussed or any "maturity" for that matter the one thing you were arguing about in the first place.

I do not love WoW, I do play it yes, along with other MMOs (more than I would like actually), it has many flaws like every other MMO I play.

Honestly, the community in WoW is no different from any other game.

It just comes down to the "vocal minority". Based purly on % numbers the ratio of asshats to players is about the same in all games. Its just more noticable in WoW because asshats by deffinition tend to be vocal and annoying. I've played just about every MMORPG out there and there's this type of player in *ALL* of them.

The major reason you see it more in WoW is because there is a larger younger player base in WoW. (No its not all kiddies, theres just a higher % of younger players in WoW than in other games) Now dont get me wrong, I'm not connecting asshat behaviour to the younger players, I'm refuring to how its dealt with.

Other games, with a more mature player base, asshats are handled in a different way. They are pretty much ignored. This means that after a few min's of spamming the regional channels they get bored and move onto something else. However in WoW once an asshat starts up the "younger" crowd feel its thier obligation to "correct' the asshat .. and the discussion (I use that word lightly) goes on and on ... and on.

Its the nature of the young to want to show how smart they are and hence they start long drawnout arguments that usually result in name calling. Of course this was the asshats intention all along .. to provoke a responce. Its far easier to goad a "younger" person into a flaming argument than it is to goal an "older" player who has no interest in arguing with idiots.

I played WoW for a few years, never did I bother with the "regional" channels. I kept to my guild and circle of friends (Which was quite extensive and spaned a few guild) and never really had issues with the silly behaviour in "general". If the arguments in "general" are really bothering you thats because your getting involved in them, either turn off the channels or learn to self-filter crap and ignore it. Your gameplay will be much more productive.

No there is no "higher classed" communitys. I play lotro currently and there's asshats there too, there are just communitys that handle the behaviour in a different way. The worst thing you can do with an asshat is argue with them.

I tend to think that people who identify others as elitist, asshats and jerks, tend to either be:

• Old elitist that cannot reach the pinnacle they once had in a past game.
• Subdued asshats that act like differently, depending on their surroundings.
• Control freaks who think they can extend their reach to anyone who doesn't practice self-control a.k.a. jerks

When any of these types meet each other it tends to result in exaggerated stories of one of the others' behaviors. So basically the bigger the forum/game/community for these types to meet, the greater the chance of these stories occurring. Hence the numerous reports we have from people here.

Rational people understand that the more people in a given area means more chance of the unsavory types being present, just like China would have more criminals than America.....simple math. No need to get bent out of shape about it.

Do you people that claim WoW has the worst MMORPG community ever play Guild Wars?

Dam that place is worst then if Blizzard were to add a Faction chat to WoW

Originally posted by tro44_1

Do you people that claim WoW has the worst MMORPG community ever play Guild Wars?

Dam that place is worst then if Blizzard were to add a Faction chat to WoW

Well...I'd say the Trade Channel in wow functions mostly like that. Thank god it's only in the major cities.

Originally posted by Ramonski7

I tend to think that people who identify others as elitist, asshats and jerks, tend to either be:

• Old elitist that cannot reach the pinnacle they once had in a past game.
• Subdued asshats that act like differently, depending on their surroundings.
• Control freaks who think they can extend their reach to anyone who doesn't practice self-control a.k.a. jerks

When any of these types meet each other it tends to result in exaggerated stories of one of the others' behaviors. So basically the bigger the forum/game/community for these types to meet, the greater the chance of these stories occurring. Hence the numerous reports we have from people here.

 

Rational people understand that the more people in a given area means more chance of the unsavory types being present, just like China would have more criminals than America.....simple math. No need to get bent out of shape about it.

 

Thanks for a nice, logical and sensible post that is absolutely 110% correct. Its just too bad the trolls don't bother reading the real arguments.

You are correct though. WOW is no different and all games, regardless of their age, population or style can and do have bad communities. WOW is just an east target because so many people play it, thus it has more problem people. It is simple math.

Personally, I view it the other way. I am surprised there are not MORE bad apples in WOW. I have played on the same server now for 2 years and I have run into 3 really bad apples. Of course I am not in general chat or the trade channel because I am aware that those places are the breeding grounds for asshats and I am old enough and mature enough to just avoid it. But given the population on the server, there honestly should be more problem players but there really isn't.

Its all about the people with whom you surround yourself. I am in an adult guild that doesn't put with crap and its like a second home to me. I am not saying WOW doesn't have issues with members of the community but given the number of players and time the game has been out, I am surprised it isn't more of an issue. However, to try and prescribe its problems to the fact that gameplay is easy or the game attracts ADD kids (which is proven statistically it doesn't) is to simply misidentify the issue and the problem.

EDIT: I wanted to add that also the bad apples stick out in your mind. Think about this. As you are driving to work or driving home, you remember every bad driver who made you curse right? They stick out in your mind. Now how many drivers did you meet on your way to or from work. This morning I had a jerk cut me off and almost take my front bumper off of my car when he cut in front of me. Sure that is something I remember happening. But how many 100s of drivers did I meet on the road that drove well or just went about their business? A lot.

The same is true for WOW. You meet many, many normal players just playing the game. Every once in a while you meet someone really nice who goes out of their way to help you out. Do you remember them? Nope. Do you write posts about them? Nope. People just remember the bad ones. Just a thought.

Originally posted by haratu

I did not quit because of the players... I quit because of the gameplay.

Hooray, someone who makes sense.  Me too!  I quit because it felt more like a job than a game.

Several people have commented about the "elitist" endgame mentality in wow.

However, I believe that impression largely occurs because they don't understand the game. Whilst there are undoubtably a few clueless kiddies who like to show off and put others down, I find that attitude to be quite rare. Instead, I think the problem occurs because many newcomers lack perspective.

Most servers nowadays have been running for between 3 and 5 years. Many established raiding guilds contain a core of people who have been playing together for several years, and during that time, a certain raiding culture has developed. These people have raided not just in Wotlk, but often in TBC and maybe even Vanilla. They fought their way through MC. They wiped through Kara. They made their way through SSC and TK into BT and Sunwell. They probably found Naxx to be quite easy, and enjoyed the challenge Ulduar offered.

These people, over the years, have worked out what it takes to succeed and fail in raiding. They also know, often through bitter experience, the penalties of failed raiding. Lack of progress. Huge repair bills. Wiping on the same boss over and over again, week in and week out. So it seems obvious to them that you prepare for raiding, and that if you're going to take the time to raid, then you also put the effort in - you do so to the best of your ability. You make sure all your gem sockets are filled. You enchant your gear. You bring food buffs and flasks. You research your class and your spec, and learn about the boss fights. This preparation may take some time and effort, but it repays itself several times over during the raids - bosses are killed more quickly, and wipes are avoided.

So then newcomers along, and most of this stuff isn't obvious. Maybe they've levelled entirely solo. Maybe they've done the occasional instance. But mostly they've just turned up with whatever they've been wearing, make stuff up as they go along, and expect to complete any content. Having just reached level 80, they also feel powerful - they've just reached the end of the game. They're the same level as the most powerful people on the server. The only thing that's stopping them from being the best is gear. So give gear. Give raids.

They don't realise that raiding requires an investment of time and effort. They don't realise that the reason many established raiders find places like Naxx easy is because these people have been raiding for years. All they hear is "Naxx is easy. Naxx gives epics". So they want. But they don't give.

It isn't actually that hard to get started on raiding. Most established players can get a character ready for Naxx within a week or two of hitting 80. But the difference between the established player and the newcomer is that the established player realises it's a task that needs to be done. The newcomer thinks he can just get started straight away.

Go look at the recruitment forum for one of the established raiding guilds on your server. I would imagine you'd see the same thing as I've seen in my guild. Most of the players applying lack really simple stuff that could be fixed in less than 30 minutes and with a few hundred gold. Unenchanted gear. Empty gem sockets. Applications to a PvE guild with a PvP spec. These are the norm, not the exception. So the minute someone applies with vaguely appropriate gear thats gemmed and enchanted, and that person shows the ability to string several sentances together in a coherent manner, they're generally snapped up. It's really not hard to get started! It's just many people never even realise what to do.

At Antipathy: very good post. The end game of WOW is a complete other game than the leveling one.
 

End game of WOW is group based (even in the upcoming rated BG's). And dominated by elite prigs, certainly.

..... But ....

That's why I find the upcoming patch 3.3 (clustered dungeon servers) a very good direction (and with CAT coming even more).

It will allow the easy grouping to do dungeons througout the complete leveling process one of the core mechanics again.

WOW will be much more group based than before in its leveling process. Even patch 3.2 helps out in heroic dungeon crawling (but that's too late for some - they are already 80).

CAT in this respect will help it as both newcomers and old players will level througout the dungeon quests.

It could make WOW the ultimate dingeon crawler for newbies with all that content. And newbies who play group based content early on ... become prigs ... lol.

But good post anyway.

This thread is pointless. Every MMO has its bad parts of the community. Most MMOs people wont even respond to a tell/whisper you send. In WoW you will run into 1 outa 10 rude people but when you have as many people as you do in WoW you wil find 10x more nice ones. 

and FYI over 80% of the people on this site get bored with every MMO made so far thats why they are always super happy when a new one comes out so they can bash it one day too.

hmm you say every commmunity has its bad parts..while that may be true

wow contains the most craptastic of societies rejects, the game itself is fun

Originally posted by Antipathy

Several people have commented about the "elitist" endgame mentality in wow.

 

 

However, I believe that impression largely occurs because they don't understand the game. Whilst there are undoubtably a few clueless kiddies who like to show off and put others down, I find that attitude to be quite rare. Instead, I think the problem occurs because many newcomers lack perspective.

 

 

Most servers nowadays have been running for between 3 and 5 years. Many established raiding guilds contain a core of people who have been playing together for several years, and during that time, a certain raiding culture has developed. These people have raided not just in Wotlk, but often in TBC and maybe even Vanilla. They fought their way through MC. They wiped through Kara. They made their way through SSC and TK into BT and Sunwell. They probably found Naxx to be quite easy, and enjoyed the challenge Ulduar offered.

 

 

These people, over the years, have worked out what it takes to succeed and fail in raiding. They also know, often through bitter experience, the penalties of failed raiding. Lack of progress. Huge repair bills. Wiping on the same boss over and over again, week in and week out. So it seems obvious to them that you prepare for raiding, and that if you're going to take the time to raid, then you also put the effort in - you do so to the best of your ability. You make sure all your gem sockets are filled. You enchant your gear. You bring food buffs and flasks. You research your class and your spec, and learn about the boss fights. This preparation may take some time and effort, but it repays itself several times over during the raids - bosses are killed more quickly, and wipes are avoided.

 

 

So then newcomers along, and most of this stuff isn't obvious. Maybe they've levelled entirely solo. Maybe they've done the occasional instance. But mostly they've just turned up with whatever they've been wearing, make stuff up as they go along, and expect to complete any content. Having just reached level 80, they also feel powerful - they've just reached the end of the game. They're the same level as the most powerful people on the server. The only thing that's stopping them from being the best is gear. So give gear. Give raids.

 

 

They don't realise that raiding requires an investment of time and effort. They don't realise that the reason many established raiders find places like Naxx easy is because these people have been raiding for years. All they hear is "Naxx is easy. Naxx gives epics". So they want. But they don't give.

 

 

It isn't actually that hard to get started on raiding. Most established players can get a character ready for Naxx within a week or two of hitting 80. But the difference between the established player and the newcomer is that the established player realises it's a task that needs to be done. The newcomer thinks he can just get started straight away.

 

 

Go look at the recruitment forum for one of the established raiding guilds on your server. I would imagine you'd see the same thing as I've seen in my guild. Most of the players applying lack really simple stuff that could be fixed in less than 30 minutes and with a few hundred gold. Unenchanted gear. Empty gem sockets. Applications to a PvE guild with a PvP spec. These are the norm, not the exception. So the minute someone applies with vaguely appropriate gear thats gemmed and enchanted, and that person shows the ability to string several sentances together in a coherent manner, they're generally snapped up. It's really not hard to get started! It's just many people never even realise what to do.

That is the only thing I don't agree with in your post. I don't even play the game anymore but still know for a fact that line is still wrong. I see that attitude all over still. You can even see it in these forums. 

As to the rest of your post, yeah a nice read but I drew my line at giving people the benifit of the doubt a long time ago because many Wow players showed time and time again that no matter how simple you make that game. They're still idiots that you just can't even discribe with words. I remember before I removed myself as officer of my old guild, that in our application thread, not only did I personally add video's and links to EJ and other WoW help threads for raiders and such but I also write down in our application template that all apps needed to have full knowledge of their class and game mechanics. Those who didn't should not apply to the gulid. Even with that, I still had to go through hundreds of apps with this as an answer:

Out of 1-10 how well do you know your character's mechanics and raiding mechanics? Also Are you aware of EJ and tankspot?

"Ummmmm I'd say I am a 10 with knowing my character but a 1 on raiding because I've never raided before, and I don't know what EJ or Tankspot is."

I'm  sorry but that lvl of stupidity can only be overlooked for so long. Especially when the majority of WoW players are between the ages 20-50. 

That aside a year later from not  playing WoW I can see how retarded this all looks even for a raiding guild because your trying to have fun and yet your app to a guild is a job interview. Just another reason why I'm happy I left.

No game should be your second job. And even though I enjoyed it back in highschool being in a hardcore raiding guild that raided 5 days a week... now-a-days.... thats just a waste.

Will these kind of threads ever die............ 

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by grandpagamer

WOW appeals to the ADD youth as its cheap and easy.  It is a meeting place where being obnoxious is permitted and the immature feed off one another. A cheap  hooker has more business than a high priced whore but that is not an endorsement of quality.

 

Except all MMO's are cheap hookers and anyone could just easily go to another one, but they keep going to that some one over and over even tho the other ones are exactly the same price.

Dont you just love failed analogies :P

Its the feeding frenzy of the obnoxious and the ADD that keeps them there. Better is available but their actions are not acceptable by the higher class communities.

 

What do you mean higher class communities, again this holds absolutely no water, you wont be accepted by any respectable guild as well, nothing is stopping me from being an ass in any other game, the only reason you notice it much more its because there are more people, in a game which is mainly core , and/or niche the people playing are usually the more dedicated kind, there is a lower % of casual players who dont care much about the "end-game" and just want to do their own thing, wow has alot of these casuals however who only pvp or only login to do dailies whatever reason and being respect or not is not in their agenda.

Nothing is stopping me from going into one of your "higher class communities" and being an ass in the same way, and there would be alot of assholes if it was as popular as wow, because it isnt ppl who play it again like I mentioned above are more focused on playing the game in a more mature way, the same way dedicated guilds in WoW do the same and dont tolerate this type of behaviour, if it was as popular it would be exactly the same. It has nothing to do with "Class" lol that is such a stupid remark, ppl actually believe there is a higher class of MMO player because they PLAY a different COMPUTER GAME.

WOW has the worst community of any MMO ive played. Its not just my opinion its pretty much known. Higher class communities do exist and have a way of shunning the foul mouthed children in say, WOW trade chat. Now is about the time for you to make a "your mom" comment im sure.

 

Im sorry you lacked the intellect to actually discuss and argue with the points I made on the previous post you quoted, again you said the same thing yet failed to address any of the arguments I brought forward and decided to end your post with a futile attempt to flame or somehow derail the thread which only really means you dont have any arguments to add to this discussion and/or did not understood anything of what I posted, whatever is the reason I must assume you simply dont know better and we must end the discussion.

 

Yes your intellect is only overshadowed by your arrogance. I have other things to do than argue whether WOW sucks or not and im sure you have  some purple gear to polish. So lets just leave it that you love WOW and i think it sucks. Much simpler than the work involved with long drawn out speeches that amount to nothing.

 

See the point of this discussion was never if WoW sucked or not, it was yours tho, if you had spent the time to actually understand what was being discussed and/or even read any other posts you would have realized I do agree there is a maturity problem in the WoW community, because I did not agree with the ways you stereotyped everything in the first place you decided that raging against the game you dont like or against me was the best way to win the argument and completely ignored anything being discussed or any "maturity" for that matter the one thing you were arguing about in the first place.

I do not love WoW, I do play it yes, along with other MMOs (more than I would like actually), it has many flaws like every other MMO I play.

 

Raven, your imaturity is jumping out of every reply you make, you're embarassing yourself trying to act as something you are not: An adult holding a serious argument in a discussion.

Props to grandpa for even replying to your kid's insult.

I'd have to agree about hte community.  I've tried to rejoin wow twice within th elast year.   Each time I quit because of how stupid it has become.  Want in a raiding guild  sorry your gear isn't good enough.  Want to run the instances to get the gear?  Sorry they will only take people that have beat the instance before.   All this link your achievement,  Link your stats bull has completely killed the game for anyone that isn't already up to that level.

I remember vanilla wow.  Everyone ran everything all the time.  Now People only run stuff if they want something and they'll only take people who already have everything out of there so it doesnt take long. 

Sminchew - I have to ask you - how hard did you really try?

When you applied to join a raiding guild, which guilds did you look at? Did you try to join an Ulduar hard mode guild, or did you try to join a bunch of people at a similar level to yourself - maybe a guild that's just starting on Naxx? I can't see a guild starting on Naxx as being too picky about gear for applications. My guess is that you went for an Ulduar guild - and they rejected you. So what. Grow some balls and go find a group you can do stuff with.

Hint - not everyone in WoW belongs to a hardcore raiding guild. There are plenty of other non-hardcore players out there, and if you can't find these people and join them, then the problem is entirely with yourself, not other people.

And plenty of runs happen without people having to link achievements. Even if you haven't got the achievement, it's often not hard to talk your way into a run - e.g. "I haven't done it on heroic, but I've run the instance on normal, and I know how to do all the bosses" will normally get you an invite.

Let me let you into a couple of secrets. Firstly - putting together a group for any instance other than the daily heroic can often take quite a lot of time. And for anyone who gets too picky about achievements, it will take even longer. So there's a good chance their group will never actually happen - they will just spend a hour sitting in LFG, and then fall apart. So you don't want to be in a group like that anyway. Just find another group or make your onw.

Secondly - people come and go in wow all the time. They stop playing. They take breaks. They change servers. If guilds stopped recruiting new people, and new people could never gear up, then the game would fall apart in 3 months. There is a constant influx of new players - and many of those new players will find their way into raiding guilds.

Thirdly, even if you can't find your way into an instance run on a particular night, there are plenty of other ways to gear up. A lot of solo or small group quests can give decent blue gear. Epic quality items can be crafted or brought from the auction house. Faction reputation can be earned. Epic items can be farmed from PvP. The argent tournament can give decent rewards. It's quite possible to get completely epic gear without even ever joining a group. Maybe that gear won't be good enough for Ulduar hard modes. But it will be more than good enough for heroics.

And lastly, an important lesson to learn is that reputation is everything in Wow. Go out there and make friends! Here's some things you can do-

- run slightly lower level instance groups in order to meet people. No one is seriously going to turn down a level 80 in any sort of gear for a run to e.g. Gundrak normal. So meet people. Do a good job. Make friends. If you like those people, then ask them about their guilds.

- if you're out soloing and you hear someone say "Need help with a group quest", then why not go help them?

- be active on forums and trade chat. If people recognise your name, and you don't come accross as an obvious idiot, then you're more likely to be accepted.

- doing PvP can get you noticed. I know one guy on my server who quickly got himself established by organising raid groups to take down the horde leadership. He did such a good job of running those groups, that he was pretty much auto-invited whenever he listed himself for VoA, even though his gear was crap. Similarly, it's possible to distinguish yourself and get noticed in PvP events such as Wintergrasp.

Originally posted by tryklon

 the community got worse with the dumbing down of the game. Wow is a juvenile and pre-adolescent game now, and while some are good ppl offcourse, the vast majority is just worried in getting fat loots to show off at school. 

It comes to the average decent player to decide if they want to put up with it

Actually the majority of the people that play it are 16+, I have yet to have anyone app to my guild that isn't over 18, even though its not been posted as a requirement. You should really open your eyes a bit more before making condemning posts such as this.

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Rajen

 I really loved WoW as a game, what drove me to stop though were the people playing the game...

 

I just don't know why people have to be so rude to each other in WoW, I have played MMOs where if someone was rude to another person it was a very rare event (FFXI). I would still be playing WoW if it wasn't for the people, the GMs should start enforcing their rules, I would probably come back.

 

Honestly maybe this is just me, but these things just pass by me without me noticing, yes I know alot of people are rude to eachother trashtalk eachother etc... ALOT in WoW but i dont think I pay any attention to these things EVER that I actually dont notice it unless im really looking to assess how childish some channels actually are, I guess some people just care way too much about random chatter on public channels in a game, if it doesnt concern me I just ignore it even if it does and it gets to a point of idiocy I just ignore it. I just cant be bothered with ppl I dont know and it has 0 effect on my playtime.

I dont mean to say its not a legit concern people play with different aspects in mind and with different views of the game.

Its kinda hard to ignore it when you ask for help or something and someone say your mom would like that or some stupid like that when you asked a simple question... a lot of mmo's have asses like that but wow is the worst. because it appeals to kids more then under 25 as easy and quick fix... Alliance side is made up with a lot young kids. ... The majority is under 25, anything over is like 40%... so its not just kids under 18, its also collage kids or just got out of highschool, that are jerks... now not all kids I met that was in the guild I was in were jerks... but majority are.

Originally posted by jerlot65

I agree and disagree with the op.  ITs the chicken beofre the egg kind of arguement.  Is wow a bad game becuase of the community?  OR is the community bad becuase of wow?  I think the latter and then it spirals out of control.

 

I really didn't know how bad the community was until I left my guild and wow and started playing LOTRO by myself.  I don't group alot in LOTRO nor belong to any guilds.  However I only met one problem juvenile person the 6 months since I started the game.

started when it became too easy for noob to be where they werent  ready yet ,before you had to pass at various place to progress 

now its too long etc so they want to be pwled to 80 then powerlevedto end game

then powerleveled in pvp(free )

they dont want to do all those place they would need to progress 

imagine if wow added just say ok did you do x,y,z instance nope cant go to the raid etc

so blizzard as to cooldown the raid because a lot cant make it of corse most arent prepaired to face those

but they want to go anyway

i saw the last thing they released and most player werent prepared to go there 

wrong gear,too low geared ,not enough pug 

people laugh at pug and say ,bha pug suck

let me tell you if you cant pug it you wont do heroic endgame with the top when blizzard release content you ll have to wait till blizzard make it easy mode

i can tell you the best way to become better is to pug a lot 

the more you pug the better you ll be

why would that be?because you will see every mistake etc

yes its frustrating most will never pug ,but after when you ve pugged from first to last endgame content you wont have any problem with new content from whatever game unless its truelly impossible(very rare

Originally posted by drbaltazar

Originally posted by jerlot65

I agree and disagree with the op.  ITs the chicken beofre the egg kind of arguement.  Is wow a bad game becuase of the community?  OR is the community bad becuase of wow?  I think the latter and then it spirals out of control.

 

I really didn't know how bad the community was until I left my guild and wow and started playing LOTRO by myself.  I don't group alot in LOTRO nor belong to any guilds.  However I only met one problem juvenile person the 6 months since I started the game.

started when it became too easy for noob to be where they werent  ready yet ,before you had to pass at various place to progress 

now its too long etc so they want to be pwled to 80 then powerlevedto end game

then powerleveled in pvp(free )

they dont want to do all those place they would need to progress 

imagine if wow added just say ok did you do x,y,z instance nope cant go to the raid etc

so blizzard as to cooldown the raid because a lot cant make it of corse most arent prepaired to face those

but they want to go anyway

i saw the last thing they released and most player werent prepared to go there 

wrong gear,too low geared ,not enough pug 

people laugh at pug and say ,bha pug suck

let me tell you if you cant pug it you wont do heroic endgame with the top when blizzard release content you ll have to wait till blizzard make it easy mode

i can tell you the best way to become better is to pug a lot 

the more you pug the better you ll be

why would that be?because you will see every mistake etc

yes its frustrating most will never pug ,but after when you ve pugged from first to last endgame content you wont have any problem with new content from whatever game unless its truelly impossible(very rare

or find a guild so you don't have to pug and go that way... better then pugging I say.... most reasons for pugs.... *guild is just too small for 25 or 10 man... your a casual gamer, and dont care... You are in no guild because your either lazy find a good raiding guild, or kicked out being greedy and being rude, ect
 

Originally posted by blueelf

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Rajen

 I really loved WoW as a game, what drove me to stop though were the people playing the game...

 

I just don't know why people have to be so rude to each other in WoW, I have played MMOs where if someone was rude to another person it was a very rare event (FFXI). I would still be playing WoW if it wasn't for the people, the GMs should start enforcing their rules, I would probably come back.

 

Honestly maybe this is just me, but these things just pass by me without me noticing, yes I know alot of people are rude to eachother trashtalk eachother etc... ALOT in WoW but i dont think I pay any attention to these things EVER that I actually dont notice it unless im really looking to assess how childish some channels actually are, I guess some people just care way too much about random chatter on public channels in a game, if it doesnt concern me I just ignore it even if it does and it gets to a point of idiocy I just ignore it. I just cant be bothered with ppl I dont know and it has 0 effect on my playtime.

I dont mean to say its not a legit concern people play with different aspects in mind and with different views of the game.

 

Its kinda hard to ignore it when you ask for help or something and someone say your mom would like that or some stupid like that when you asked a simple question... a lot of mmo's have asses like that but wow is the worst. because it appeals to kids more then under 25 as easy and quick fix... Alliance side is made up with a lot young kids. ... The majority is under 25, anything over is like 40%... so its not just kids under 18, its also collage kids or just got out of highschool, that are jerks... now not all kids I met that was in the guild I was in were jerks... but majority are.

Like I said its just different experiences I rarely interact with ppl outside of the usual guys I play with, so I end up ignoring most of the chatter, sure its something you notice sometimes when it gets out of hand, but I must confess its something that doesnt really bother me much.

But yeah I agree there is alot of them but like people in previous posts have said, its because of the higher population density it makes it so the kids are also more represented.

Originally posted by left4shaman

Its the players, and its 100x worse at level 80, there is this arrogant eltiist jerk attitude that is very rampant at end game worse than any game I have ever seen before.

You are 110% correct.. This is an increasing problem since the days of Kara and BC..  I read many responses suggesting you find a circle of trusted players.. UMMM  

THAT IS EXACTLY the problem and you prove the posters point to the T..    Rather it be 5 man's .. 10 man's or 25 man raids, I see groups left and right "EXCLUDING" anyone and everyone that interferes with their trust group..  The biggest cause of this is the ID system IMO.. When you impose a restriction like this, you promote people to ONLY group with those they feel comfortable with in completing the dungeon..  

If Bliz wants to improve the community at large.. SHIT CAN the ID system.. I feel people would be more receptive in attempting to help others that need it, IF they weren't trapped by the ID system..  However, in any case.. The OP is correct that the WoW community is getting worse with each passing patch and month..

Patch 3.2.  Heroic dungeon runs.

Log in, advertise, you get a whisper within 2 minutes.

You do the run and can upgrade your alt.

No one asks hardly any questions about gear.

Result was....  : "No more instances can be launched " QQ because Everyone is in ... Blizzard had to fix it because dungeons  were simply TOO much played.

WTF : are you guys even playing WOW 3.2 ???

Wait till you meet patch 3.3: clustered dungeon servers: choose from 80.000 people on 20 servers to do your dungeons with.

I await the first QQ for this too.

"Laughs and walks back to the Raid in game...."