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9/14/09 5:32:48 PM#26
I remember years ago when WoW came out I found myself on an unofficial Spanish server. I have nothing against Spanish but eventually found the place impossible because most of the guilds and PuGs were Spanish. Basically there were a number of Spanish guilds who were trying to make the server Spanish only and made things difficult. As time went by the server became increasingly polarised and I was in my mid forties when I was pretty much forced to roll again on another server if I wanted to enjoy the game.
As a result I think this whole unofficial National Server is a real pain in the arse. Not everyone will read about it and some players will have to endure the same annoyance as I did when I first started WoW. The solution is for NCSoft to indicate which servers are which and NOT for players to decide for themselves. It is a very selfish solution which I'm sure will annoy at least as many people as it helps. |
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9/14/09 5:43:51 PM#27
Czech and Slovak republic
elyos -> gorgos asmos -> telemachus |
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9/14/09 6:00:14 PM#28
Originally posted by altairzq
Lets see.. the purpose of this thread is not to gather people of those communities in one or another server. It's just to know where those communities are deciding to go, so 1) If you belong to one of those communities you will know where to find fellow people 2) If you for any reason don't like a community you can avoid that server. Less conflicts. All happy. Actually you effectively reduced the number of english servers to two with one being an "unofficial rp server" so no no one's happy except for a few people who'll have managed to hijack a server for their own and think it'll give them the right to terrorize anyone that don't fit their profile.
one more lil oversight in this whole sorry affair is the fact that NC-soft has announced to want to maintain balance between Elyos and Asmo an other thing you'll be sabotaging by your little territorial struggle... less conflicts? you've only made it worse!
edit: and in the likely event you're too damn stupid to understand what I mean by worse: Officially it's an english server people who never bother with forums and just want to play the game will go by that. "Unofficially" it's the spanish server. Both of these groups will think it's their server, in realy life we call that a war... mind you only one of them is right and guess what, it not the spanish.... |
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9/14/09 6:13:14 PM#29
Originally posted by Beachcomber
I dont know why your getting so worked up over this. I played on Castor during OB and it was a splt chat between French/English with half the people not knowing what the other lot were saying in general chat. Id rather avoid that if its ok with you ?
you are wrong there... I am french I know what english speakers are saying... BUt they don't know what I am saying QUESTION: |
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9/14/09 7:12:00 PM#30
Originally posted by Sidereus you are wrong there... I am french I know what english speakers are saying... BUt they don't know what I am saying
Well you certainly wouldnt know what i was saying :) |
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Originally posted by Sidereus you are wrong there... I am french I know what english speakers are saying... BUt they don't know what I am saying And this is what makes you use french in the general chat, to feel that power. |
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Originally posted by Machieltje Actually you effectively reduced the number of english servers to two with one being an "unofficial rp server" so no no one's happy except for a few people who'll have managed to hijack a server for their own and think it'll give them the right to terrorize anyone that don't fit their profile.
one more lil oversight in this whole sorry affair is the fact that NC-soft has announced to want to maintain balance between Elyos and Asmo an other thing you'll be sabotaging by your little territorial struggle... less conflicts? you've only made it worse!
edit: and in the likely event you're too damn stupid to understand what I mean by worse: Officially it's an english server people who never bother with forums and just want to play the game will go by that. "Unofficially" it's the spanish server. Both of these groups will think it's their server, in realy life we call that a war... mind you only one of them is right and guess what, it not the spanish....
Get lost please thank you so much. |
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9/14/09 7:29:40 PM#33
I for one don't have a problem with playing with anyone, but if people are going to be only wanting to deal/play with their kind why not make a separate chat channel, and make it known that's where you go if you want to play with that certain group of people. NCSoft is suggesting that in the article with the server list and to me it seems like a decent idea. I really don't see why people can't get along. |
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9/14/09 7:32:47 PM#34
Originally posted by Keksik12 We shall meet in Abyss.. .. to kill your asmo friends |
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9/14/09 9:26:37 PM#35
Originally posted by altairzq Actually you effectively reduced the number of english servers to two with one being an "unofficial rp server" so no no one's happy except for a few people who'll have managed to hijack a server for their own and think it'll give them the right to terrorize anyone that don't fit their profile.
one more lil oversight in this whole sorry affair is the fact that NC-soft has announced to want to maintain balance between Elyos and Asmo an other thing you'll be sabotaging by your little territorial struggle... less conflicts? you've only made it worse!
edit: and in the likely event you're too damn stupid to understand what I mean by worse: Officially it's an english server people who never bother with forums and just want to play the game will go by that. "Unofficially" it's the spanish server. Both of these groups will think it's their server, in realy life we call that a war... mind you only one of them is right and guess what, it not the spanish....
Get lost please thank you so much.
He is correct though. You may not like it, but all this nonsense only makes things worse. Can't stop it though, we are all like sheep, we follow the masses often before we realise that we are doing it. By the time we find out most of us prefer to shout at others than to admit our own mistakes. “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.” |
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9/14/09 9:45:19 PM#36
Can you read what I'm saying right now? |
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Originally posted by Fyendiar
Get lost please thank you so much.
He is correct though. You may not like it, but all this nonsense only makes things worse. Can't stop it though, we are all like sheep, we follow the masses often before we realise that we are doing it. By the time we find out most of us prefer to shout at others than to admit our own mistakes. Sighs... took the time to explain in red. |
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9/15/09 5:48:30 AM#38
Originally posted by altairzq Actually you effectively reduced the number of english servers to two with one being an "unofficial rp server" so no no one's happy except for a few people who'll have managed to hijack a server for their own and think it'll give them the right to terrorize anyone that don't fit their profile.
one more lil oversight in this whole sorry affair is the fact that NC-soft has announced to want to maintain balance between Elyos and Asmo an other thing you'll be sabotaging by your little territorial struggle... less conflicts? you've only made it worse!
edit: and in the likely event you're too damn stupid to understand what I mean by worse: Officially it's an english server people who never bother with forums and just want to play the game will go by that. "Unofficially" it's the spanish server. Both of these groups will think it's their server, in realy life we call that a war... mind you only one of them is right and guess what, it not the spanish....
Get lost please thank you so much.
Lost? Why I'm perfectly happy where I am thank you so very much.
But seriously if you think I'm wrong please explain to me why this is the case because frankly I can't see how you could enforce your "unofficial servers" when everyone who logs in will see only the official ones except by sheer numbers resulting in bullying those who will not or cannot conform to your unofficial standards.
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Originally posted by Machieltje I replied to you just above, gues you were editing your post. How on earth can you think I'm trying to "enforce" anything? Can't you read at all??????? |
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9/15/09 6:07:17 AM#40
The biggest problem isn't people speaking other languages in general chat. It is all the stupid and rude comments from the English speakers about it and the wars that start as a result and this has already happened in the Open Beta and was very annoying to the point I filtered out virtually everyone which is not a way to foster a community spirit.
If someone only speaks one language then it makes sense they want to chat with people in their language so they are going to naturally segregate themselves. If they want to do it via unofficial "let's all play on this server" method of if the company wants to designate servers as being the place to go if you want to speak in a specific language then fine. But either way no one should be made to feel unwelcome simply because they choose not to speak or use a specific language.
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9/15/09 6:18:07 AM#41
Originally posted by altairzq
Get lost please thank you so much.
Lost? Why I'm perfectly happy where I am thank you so very much.
But seriously if you think I'm wrong please explain to me why this is the case because frankly I can't see how you could enforce your "unofficial servers" when everyone who logs in will see only the official ones except by sheer numbers resulting in bullying those who will not or cannot conform to your unofficial standards.
I replied to you just above, gues you were editing your post. How on earth can you think I'm trying to "enforce" anything? Can't you read at all???????
You may not want to enforce anything but the result of a large community of spanish speaking players may, and probably will, be a lot of spanish chatter in the chat channels of one of the official english servers. Other players, who as mentioned several times before, will go by the official designation will roll a character only to be confronted by a community they cannot understand and that is unwilling or unably to use the official server language. These people, who rightfully asume that the server they chose is an english server will now have to decide wether to stay and be seriously hampered by the fact that they can't understand their team mates or leave and reroll on an other server.
Honestly I'm not sure if this whole mess could have been avoided but it might create a problem.
Mind you if, as suggested earlier in this thread the spanish, and other language communities, create their own channel the problem might not be all that obvious (untill you try to team).
What bothers me most about all of this is that servers that are, as far as NC-Soft is concerned and according to the server selection, english will become inaccessable for english speaking players due to large groups of non-english players communicating in their own language feeling justified by the fact that someone told them they're on the "unofficial spanish/romanian/whatever server" . Whether you want a territorial struggle or not that is what this will boil down to and whether or not you organized this or not you were the one instigating it here on MMORPG.com, and in doing so you may have given others ideas that have aggravated the problem. |
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9/15/09 6:34:54 AM#42
Originally posted by rwmiller Sadly that's not the issue. If I were to team with a spanish or romanian player how would we communicate? I could speak dutch and they'd speak spanish or romanian would that work? English as a lingua franca would work but only if both parties speak it if not then there is a problem. It's not a question of wanting to make people feel unwelcome it's about being to interact with people and as I've mentioned before english speakers will end up on the "unofficial" servers will they be able to communicate with others on their server? Will they be a minority? Will they be forced to reroll on a different server?
What's more these "unofficial servers" will have an effect across all servers. Speak spanish on the "unofficial romanian server", you might be told to go to the "unofficial spanish server" etc.
As for those that choose not to speak english on an english server well....you mentioned community spirit? Setting yourself apart from everyone else through language seems to me to be seriously lacking in said spirit.
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Originally posted by Machieltje edit: And, if you really believe those absurd theories stop bumping the thread, it was in third page already. |
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9/15/09 11:46:15 AM#44
It's not this specific thread that will create problems, it's the many threads exactly like this one that do. Some make a thread like this to gather likeminded people on certain servers, others make threads like this thinking they are just informing. Yet all these threads have the same effect: likeminded people will flock together. On first sight such a thing is not a bad thing untill you realise that it means that all those likeminded players won't use english in the public channels on official english servers. This results in frustrated english speaking players that suddenly are excluded out of the public chat because they can't understand half of it and get attacked when they ask for english to be used in those channels. Like I mentioned before, we are all like sheep, we may fight it most of the time, but more often than not we react like sheep before we realise it. You go where you think likeminded players will go and where do you get this knowledge? Yup, from threads like this. It doesn't matter if the intentions of the makers of these kind of threads are all good, the results are anything but good. Some will say that there are players that don't speak english and don't have their own languege servers, but I ask those players this: why play a game in a language you do not understand in the first place? All quests are in english, all gearnames, stats help etc is in english. If you play it to have fun and learn a new language, more power to you. Otherwise, it may be wise to rethink your decision to play this game. “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.” |
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Originally posted by Fyendiar
Sorry but no. To give an example I know well, spaniards are discussing which one will be their unofficial server for months. There you have the start of the conflict. They didn't read this thread, because it wasn't created yet. It couldn't exist, since this thread only shows their decision, which wasn't yet taken. And now, do you think any spaniard have skipped the spanish forums during all these months and read this forum and read this thread and say "mira que bien ahora ya se en qué servidor jugar" ("look this is great now I know what server to play in") and then start a character in Castor? No. I don't think this has happened even to one single spanish guy. They just read their own forums in spanish. Look somewhere else to blame for the conflict. This thread if anything will help many people to avoid the situation to be in a server with constant spanish or russian chatting. Nothing more. |
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9/15/09 3:58:45 PM#46
Originally posted by altairzq
Sorry but no. To give an example I know well, spaniards are discussing which one will be their unofficial server for months. There you have the start of the conflict. They didn't read this thread, because it wasn't created yet. It couldn't exist, since this thread only shows their decision, which wasn't yet taken. And now, do you think any spaniard have skipped the spanish forums during all these months and read this forum and read this thread and say "mira que bien ahora ya se en qué servidor jugar" ("look this is great now I know what server to play in") and then start a character in Castor? No. I don't think this has happened even to one single spanish guy. They just read their own forums in spanish. Look somewhere else to blame for the conflict. This thread if anything will help many people to avoid the situation to be in a server with constant spanish or russian chatting. Nothing more.
Please read my post again, I didn't say that this thread had such a huge effect I said that all these threads combined, so also those old ones you are referring to, all those combined create this shit. “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.” |
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Originally posted by Fyendiar
Please read my post again, I didn't say that this thread had such a huge effect I said that all these threads combined, so also those old ones you are referring to, all those combined create this shit.
What all this threads combined? I never seen a thread like this one. Can you provide a link? But I have certainly seen threads of peole asking what will be their unofficial server. You two are making zero sense. But you are bumping the thread which is good. |
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9/15/09 4:32:22 PM#48
What all this threads combined? I never seen a thread like this one. Can you provide a link?
All threads about assigning unofficial servers, be it by presenting it as a "result" or creating one to assign unofficial servers, they all end up with the same result. The idea behind why to make the thread may differ, the effect however does not. “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.” |
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Originally posted by Fyendiar
All threads about assigning unofficial servers, be it by presenting it as a "result" or creating one to assign unofficial servers, they all end up with the same result. The idea behind why to make the thread may differ, the effect however does not.
Now i'd just repeat myself so I will leave it here. |
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Originally posted by Fyendiar
All threads about assigning unofficial servers, be it by presenting it as a "result" or creating one to assign unofficial servers, they all end up with the same result. The idea behind why to make the thread may differ, the effect however does not.
Now you can go complain directly to NCsoft: eu.aiononline.com/en/news/the-aion-communitys-server-choices.html Danish - [ENG] Spatalos
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