"You guys act like they are defiling the bible or something.

It's just a video game based on just a story..."

Defile the bible all you want. Defiling Star Wars (unless it's Clone Wars) is sacrilegious.

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Originally posted by Daffid011

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Originally posted by Obraik

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Originally posted by Suvroc
 
Well, quite frankly I think we've seen the end of the PC only focus of SoE. I canot see them doing any tie-ins with a PC only title when they've got a console system such as the PS3 that they're pretty desperate to get into as many homes as possible.
I would simply not put any faith into anything from SoE that isn't cross-platform these days. For example when was the last MMO developed by SoE that wasn't PC only? When was the last PC only game SoE developed?
SoE's future is in the console market. PC gaming is undoubtedly going to be left behind IMO. It's just a matter of time, and time is running out.
If every PC only based MMO that SoE currently supports were to announce it's closure in the next 2 years would anyone really be surprised?

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Uh, FreeRealms?  The game this new SW MMO is suppose to be based on?  The game that's going to be a browser based game?
 

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Keep in mind Free Realms, The Agency and DC online were all in development prior to SOE being restructured into SCE.  It is very likely that SCE doesn't have the slighest concern with the PC mmo market, especially with how poorly soe has been performing there.  
Most likely SCE is only concerned with boosting the PS3 in any way possible and any efforts towards the PC market are secondary concerns, but all three of those mmos were already being developed for the PC market.
 
 

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Agreed, since Free Realms is the only completed product from SOE in years and The Agency and DC online have a yet to be determined street dates, SOE is scrambling to throw up any piece of crap they came quickly conjure up.... Lets take Free Realms and change all the stuff to Clone Wars . Rippping themselves off like they do with the TOC's, SOE does not like to work too hard to make what little money they can by giving it away for free. SCE does not care...why should you or I?

Originally posted by JYCowboy

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

SOE better get something out on the PS3. Look like a bunch of clowns if the ps3 takes off, and they're still fumbling over themselves and miss it. Get it while it's hot, or let someone else who can. All they got is free realms though lol. Is that even a game or just another demo showcase type thing they do? Great marketing  for it I admit. Even got a major news release when they added guilds. Thats news.

 

When Free Realms gos PS3, it will probably reach its greatest potential.  I think the target audiance is more acustom to a console format.  The original intent of FR was to compete for the RuneScape and PuzzlePirate kids.  Now I think you might be right to it being a demo for showcasing the potential to a  suc... I mean IP holder.

I think the engine free realms is built on has some potential. 

However if free realms the mmo cannot reach its potential with over 5 million people signing up, then I doubt it will be able to fill up more than one server being a console game. 

The problem with free realms is that it is a boring game.  It just doesn't give the target audience what they want.  SOE stripped down the mmo framework and jammed in a bunch of minigames that are popular around the web and other game systems.  Cooking mama, virtual pets, bejeweled, etc.  It is all one giant hackneyed project.  It just doesn't deliver which is why the game servers are deserted. 

I see no reason why the soe team would somehow create a fun game with the free realms engine and yet another star wars license.  They have just lost touch with the market.

I hear it's totally non-instanced, heavily into crafting, and has real world player housing too!

Uhm, not really.  Its just my way of expressing the point that SWG fans are really just SOL.

Ken

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by JYCowboy

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

SOE better get something out on the PS3. Look like a bunch of clowns if the ps3 takes off, and they're still fumbling over themselves and miss it. Get it while it's hot, or let someone else who can. All they got is free realms though lol. Is that even a game or just another demo showcase type thing they do? Great marketing  for it I admit. Even got a major news release when they added guilds. Thats news.

 

When Free Realms gos PS3, it will probably reach its greatest potential.  I think the target audiance is more acustom to a console format.  The original intent of FR was to compete for the RuneScape and PuzzlePirate kids.  Now I think you might be right to it being a demo for showcasing the potential to a  suc... I mean IP holder.

 

I think the engine free realms is built on has some potential. 

However if free realms the mmo cannot reach its potential with over 5 million people signing up, then I doubt it will be able to fill up more than one server being a console game. 

The problem with free realms is that it is a boring game.  It just doesn't give the target audience what they want.  SOE stripped down the mmo framework and jammed in a bunch of minigames that are popular around the web and other game systems.  Cooking mama, virtual pets, bejeweled, etc.  It is all one giant hackneyed project.  It just doesn't deliver which is why the game servers are deserted. 

I see no reason why the soe team would somehow create a fun game with the free realms engine and yet another star wars license.  They have just lost touch with the market.

I have not signed in so I ask this purely trying to grasp its launch.  Is it heavy reliant on its Cash Store for desired items and Card Packs?  If so, then it will never get the kids they want.  I understand there is a Pet Trainer profession you can level but you have to buy a pet, is that true?  A cousin of mine was visiting and she was deep into PuzzlePirates.  She loaded it up and went at it.  Does FR just not have enough content to occupy someone without costing a fortune?  You gotta give a little to get a little.  Is it the look of the game to be too childish?
 

The idea of the game was sound when I first heard its direction on the market.  What old SOE practices are hurting this product?

You can access plenty of free realms content for free without being forced into purchasing things.  At higher levels most of the higher level recipes require membership and things of that nature, but most of the content can be accessed free.  Yes the pet trainer must buy a pet with real cash, so it really isn't a "free" class.  Even though the game constantly tries to get you to subscribe or buy stuff you are not forced to.  The cash shop does have items that are more powerful than ingame rewards or at least as good.  That sort of removes any need to engage in the game, since the content is bypassed and the reward was instant (similar to EQ2 crafting on dungeons).

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good aspects to free realms.  The engine is pretty solid, models well done, etc.

Where free realms fails is that it just isn't a good game and there really isn't much game.  It is litterly a stripped down mmo framework with minigames based on popular console and web games forced into the empty holes.  The majority of the game revolves around leveling characters by playing clones of bejeweled, cooking mana, tower defense, virtual pets, etc.  When you get done doing a specific minigame for 20 levels the only thing that is really left is leveling another job to 20 by doing other minigames.  (old soe haunt: love of filling xp bars as content)

The world is tiny and by tiny I mean at level 1 you can explore the entire world in an hour or two.  So there really isn't some great force keeping content from those who don't spend a fortune, because that game really doesn't have much content.  The content it does have gets boring pretty fast. 

I don't want to be to long winded, but yes several soe haunts ruin this game.  The best way I can sum it up is by saying soe has lost touch with what players want.

Originally posted by Daffid011

You can access plenty of free realms content for free without being forced into purchasing things.  At higher levels most of the higher level recipes require membership and things of that nature, but most of the content can be accessed free.  Yes the pet trainer must buy a pet with real cash, so it really isn't a "free" class.  Even though the game constantly tries to get you to subscribe or buy stuff you are not forced to.  The cash shop does have items that are more powerful than ingame rewards or at least as good.  That sort of removes any need to engage in the game, since the content is bypassed and the reward was instant (similar to EQ2 crafting on dungeons).

 

 

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good aspects to free realms.  The engine is pretty solid, models well done, etc.

Where free realms fails is that it just isn't a good game and there really isn't much game.  It is litterly a stripped down mmo framework with minigames based on popular console and web games forced into the empty holes.  The majority of the game revolves around leveling characters by playing clones of bejeweled, cooking mana, tower defense, virtual pets, etc.  When you get done doing a specific minigame for 20 levels the only thing that is really left is leveling another job to 20 by doing other minigames.  (old soe haunt: love of filling xp bars as content)

The world is tiny and by tiny I mean at level 1 you can explore the entire world in an hour or two.  So there really isn't some great force keeping content from those who don't spend a fortune, because that game really doesn't have much content.  The content it does have gets boring pretty fast. 

 

I don't want to be to long winded, but yes several soe haunts ruin this game.  The best way I can sum it up is by saying soe has lost touch with what players want.

 

OK, I see what you are indicating.  Nothing really new to the genere to show FR as a stand out.  All its new to its given market are lost to the mundane issues that SOE has formulated in past endevores.  Would kids still like it?
 

The funny thing about SOE is their devs go to the same bars (in Austin) as all the other MMO companies.  These guys swap ideas as exemplified by SWG's Quest Chronical system which is a copy of CoH Encounter Architeture.  When will they learn that company policy and company theme can get in the way of fun and thus profit?   I will say that with FR they have learned the value of a quality finished product, MAYBE, but they need to go further and find what it is that keeps all those kids playing the browser based F2P games that FR isn't doing.  Again, you gotta give a little to get a little.

Free realms is just a byproduct of a design process that focuses on how to get players to spend more money in different ways instead of, how do to make a kick ass game that people will want their friends to play with them. 

Soe can get all the technical aspects of an mmo right, but they really lost touch with what they are doing.  It just is not part of their corporate culture anymore.  The driving force right now is sales charts, marketing and revenue streams. 

This a mini game inside free realms or another game totally?

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Originally posted by JestorRodo
This does not make any sense... Making a Free Realms/Star Wars would just be another bank of barely used servers that would produce no profit.

SOE has a broken relationship with Lucas Arts and I doubt that a relationship can be reestablished based on the alleged success of a Free to Play - Kiddie MMO.

IF this is true then its a good thing that I have returned...Looks like I have work to do.

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Hail The Mighty Jester!
Can't wait to see more of your vids.

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Nothing more than a bone thrown at SOE, by LA, for losing SWG at the release of TOR.

 

Heh, it's quite the meaty bone SOE has been throwen ;)

This will make two Star Wars games SOE has that are based on the period of Star Wars that is most actively being marketed in the media, on TV, in books and in the cinema.  They have the biggest opportunities to ride on the wave of Star Wars popularity already built up by these campaigns.  Bioware on the other hand is in a time period that (relatively) very few know much about.  I'm NOT saying TOR is destined to be less popular, I'm sure it'll attract a healthy population of die-hards, but this new Clone Wars MMO and SWG certainly aren't out of the picture.

You're a funny chap Obraik, you spent the best part of 2 years openly dismissing BioWare's Star Wars mmo as just a "rumour" despite insummountable evidence and yet the first "rumour" that comes along that supports your pro-SOE agenda and.... you're all over it like a cheap suit.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Nothing more than a bone thrown at SOE, by LA, for losing SWG at the release of TOR.

 

Heh, it's quite the meaty bone SOE has been throwen ;)

This will make two Star Wars games SOE has that are based on the period of Star Wars that is most actively being marketed in the media, on TV, in books and in the cinema.  They have the biggest opportunities to ride on the wave of Star Wars popularity already built up by these campaigns.  Bioware on the other hand is in a time period that (relatively) very few know much about.  I'm NOT saying TOR is destined to be less popular, I'm sure it'll attract a healthy population of die-hards, but this new Clone Wars MMO and SWG certainly aren't out of the picture.

 

You're a funny chap Obraik, you spent the best part of 2 years openly dismissing BioWare's Star Wars mmo as just a "rumour" despite insummountable evidence and yet the first "rumour" that comes along that supports your pro-SOE agenda and.... you're all over it like a cheap suit.

Of course. That's how all the SWG cheerleaders are. They would never say anything negative about it even if the evidence is against it.

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Originally posted by Echobe

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Originally posted by JestorRodo
This does not make any sense... Making a Free Realms/Star Wars would just be another bank of barely used servers that would produce no profit.

SOE has a broken relationship with Lucas Arts and I doubt that a relationship can be reestablished based on the alleged success of a Free to Play - Kiddie MMO.

IF this is true then its a good thing that I have returned...Looks like I have work to do.

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Hail The Mighty Jester!
Can't wait to see more of your vids.

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Wish they would bring back PRE CU SWG instead. That was a good game.

Just don't add Pizza ordering system to this one.

Originally posted by soap46

SOE...  Making ANOTHER Star Wars game...  Probably cartooney...  Maybe based on Clone Wars??? 

 

Man...  Sony just bent all my awesome childhood memories of Chewbacca and Han Solo and Boba Fett over a table and broke out the bat.  Why, Sony, WHY MUST YOU DO THIS TO THE MOST BELOVED IP EVER???

Totally.  Where are my ewoks, my Star Wars christmas special, and my 3po with his head on backwards, dammit!?

Don't get me wrong - I still have 3 active SWG subs out of my 6.  I have a wookie on one of my cars and the rebel alliance symbol on the other, I convinced my wife last weekend that getting a Star Wars tattoo would be okay, as long as it wasn't on my forehead, I have serious discussions about whether we need to buy another bookshelf for my figures.  I am a Star Wars fan by any measure.

Star Wars is not high art.  It's f'in awesome, it's a hell of a lot of fun, and it's got a long history.  But it's not art.  Jar Jar sucks, but I don't hate him any more than I hate Ewoks smashing AT-STs with logs.

Admit it - when you were 12, a browser based SW game, had it existed in any reasonable form, would have blown your head open.  I mean, seriously, I was playing Empire Strikes Back on the Atari, and thinking it was the best thing ever, and spending all my allowance on that trench running Star Wars arcade game.  I think the old stuff is better, but I'm not going to hate the new stuff because it's not what I remember.  

I know, this is the haven of those who will never forget, and never forgive, but honestly - how does this hurt you any more than Droids?

Originally posted by kefkah

LIke I said elsewhere, SOE bragged up those useless Free Realms sub numbers to dangle a carrot in front of the one company that wants WoW numbers. 4 Million falls into that category despite being useless free accounts.

Sadly, this is like watching spiders mate.

ah yes, 4 mil perhaps.. but they are idiots if they think subs in a free game translates into subs for a paid game... theres a reason people play the free game. lol...

Originally posted by nickelpat

 I'm scared now... somone... hold me, make the pain stop!

On a more serious note, I really can't bel.... Oh yeah, it's SOE. I can believe SOE is doing this to Star Wars, I just don't like it.

The humorous part about it is they keep toting their "yeah weve learned from our mistakes" yet  they are still trying to get that piece of wows pie number wise, and still effecting swg directly in this move..

Humorous.

Originally posted by JestorRodo

 

 

Agreed, since Free Realms is the only completed product from SOE in years and The Agency and DC online have a yet to be determined street dates, SOE is scrambling to throw up any piece of crap they came quickly conjure up.... Lets take Free Realms and change all the stuff to Clone Wars . Rippping themselves off like they do with the TOC's, SOE does not like to work too hard to make what little money they can by giving it away for free. SCE does not care...why should you or I?

 

 

Lol.. I can see it now...

Person logs into free realms. Downloads patch. System message: WELCOME TO FREE GALAXIES! We did a select group survey and found out many of yo... er... people wanted this change so we did it to appease the masses!

Oh and don't forget to try out our card game item mall! Have fun!

ZInnnngg!

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Originally posted by ArcheusCross

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Originally posted by JestorRodo

 
 
Agreed, since Free Realms is the only completed product from SOE in years and The Agency and DC online have a yet to be determined street dates, SOE is scrambling to throw up any piece of crap they came quickly conjure up.... Lets take Free Realms and change all the stuff to Clone Wars . Rippping themselves off like they do with the TOC's, SOE does not like to work too hard to make what little money they can by giving it away for free. SCE does not care...why should you or I?
 
 

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Lol.. I can see it now...
Person logs into free realms. Downloads patch. System message: WELCOME TO FREE GALAXIES! We did a select group survey and found out many of yo... er... people wanted this change so we did it to appease the masses!
Oh and don't forget to try out our card game item mall! Have fun!
ZInnnngg!

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This is one of tthe worse business idea since New Coke, its Newer Coke. SOE and LA have an Epic Fail with the NGE and now thay are going to team up again too Epically Fail again.

No matter how simple or easy is for SOE to do , it makes me wonder why LA would entrust its franchise to SOE again. I comment further about this on the Rodo Report.
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Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Via Twitter:

http://twitter.com/lucasartsgames/statuses/3857023214

 

Some sort of game announcement on Friday. I think it's 'Free Galaxies' , but I hope it's Shadows Of The Empire for console download.

Not exactly what you exected

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Via Twitter:

http://twitter.com/lucasartsgames/statuses/3857023214

 

Some sort of game announcement on Friday. I think it's 'Free Galaxies' , but I hope it's Shadows Of The Empire for console download.

 

Not exactly what you exected

Not even close. But at least the Dark Forces series hit Steam. I'll give LEC props for that one.

Its tough to find confirmation of this rumor from SOE or LA. It sounds simple enough for SOE to do..Take the Free Realms format and StarWarsy it , albeit Clone Wars.

As I mentioned on the Report , I find it hard to believe that LA has forgot much less forgive SOE for the mishandling of SWG. In Case they did and this rumored Self ripoff of a current SOE product comes into being, I am sure that we can remind them.... We might as well since we will be counted among the active player base by SOE.

Smedley has confirmed they're woking on another kids MMO based on FreeRealm's:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6227728.html

No confirmation of the theme of the game.

It's a casual childrens game ppl.are you too dense to realise it's not a hardcore MMO?Have you been grinding too long to remeber that MMO's are games and thier supposed to be fun?This is for CHILDREN,just like the clone wars cartoons are for CHILDREN,just like Jar Jar Binks is for CHILDREN.If your one of the ones that get upset over things for CHILDREN to enjoy it's time for you to get a life.

~Aylen Darkblade,Orwind Darkblade,(Chilastra:2004-2006)Aylen Mando'a(Bria:2007-2008)Yes i know all about SOE.

Originally posted by bobajango

It's a casual childrens game ppl.are you too dense to realise it's not a hardcore MMO?Have you been grinding too long to remeber that MMO's are games and thier supposed to be fun?This is for CHILDREN,just like the clone wars cartoons are for CHILDREN,just like Jar Jar Binks is for CHILDREN.If your one of the ones that get upset over things for CHILDREN to enjoy it's time for you to get a life.

 

~Aylen Darkblade,Orwind Darkblade,(Chilastra:2004-2006)Aylen Mando'a(Bria:2007-2008)Yes i know all about SOE.

Just curious, where did you hear ANYONE claim it's anything but a kids game?