Originally posted by Phioku

Another typical stay on your PC for 8hrs grindfest just to get some solid gears. I ain't playing this crap.

This guys funny...totally wrong in his assumptions, but funny anyway!

I musta been doing it wrong, 8 hrs and I had 4 blues on my chanter and so many greens I was breaking them down for enchanting. Anyway, yeah I'll be playing for sure. Had a 27 temp in CB (rushed too much and missed alot) and a 24 chanter in OB (took the time to explore and enjoy). Love the rush of the PvP (abyss and rift), finding all the new, hidden, off the beaten path places, and rare spawns. Looking forward to hitting my first instance dungeon and helping build a great Legion thats compitent in the entire PvPvE this game offers, as well as looking forward to crafting accross the board.

This game offers so much if your willing to take the time to look for it. So many times people would ask me where I got something only to find out they walked right past it without even looking.

Originally posted by Phioku

Another typical stay on your PC for 8hrs grindfest just to get some solid gears. I ain't playing this crap.

and how is this different from lets say WoW,WAR,EVE,EQ,. I mean come on its an MMO there's always going to be a grind, if grinding turns you off mabey console games are more your genre

Oh and I love the people saying they are not playing this game cause its forced pvp on these forums and even in the OB global channel the moment they found out this was a pvp game all the bitching and crying about how thats stupid and their not going to play it cause they dont like pvp etc. Its been known for quiet sometime that this is a pvp game you need to pvp to get the high end raids.

And side note I know OB attracts allot of people just wanting to play a free game and it at times got to the point where i just switched to my combat channel, I hope upon release that these people go away.

Originally posted by kamerak

Originally posted by Phioku

Another typical stay on your PC for 8hrs grindfest just to get some solid gears. I ain't playing this crap.

 

and how is this different from lets say WoW,WAR,EVE,EQ,. I mean come on its an MMO there's always going to be a grind, if grinding turns you off mabey console games are more your genre

Oh and I love the people saying they are not playing this game cause its forced pvp on these forums and even in the OB global channel the moment they found out this was a pvp game all the bitching and crying about how thats stupid and their not going to play it cause they dont like pvp etc. Its been known for quiet sometime that this is a pvp game you need to pvp to get the high end raids.

And side note I know OB attracts allot of people just wanting to play a free game and it at times got to the point where i just switched to my combat channel, I hope upon release that these people go away.

People who play MMos then complain about the grind are usually not serious MMO gamers.

Every MMo has a grind, there really is no need to reprove this point every time some moron complains they arent playing X MMo because of the grind.

I voted no, i like the game and will be playing but not at the release. I'm thinking December will be a good moment to join as there will likely be some sort of nice event or rebate to atract holiday shoppers. Also the comunity will be somewhat developed, meaning it will be much easier to find game info or help, and it shouldn't be difficult to find a place in a good guild as many people who joined for the hype or the more pve oriented players should be leaving November through January. I'm used to heavy grinders/pvp oriented games so missing the head start really isn't an issue for me.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

I've noticed a few people were upset that Aion focuses on pvp and are crying about it. IT WAS CLEARLY STATED IT WAS GONNA BE A PVP GAME GET OVER IT. Ty and goodnight

If your refering to my post you need to grow up a little. OP asked if we were going to be playing, why or WHY NOT. I am not crying its pvp, for all i care it could be FFA pvp. I avoid PvP centric mmo games. If you cant handel why people wont play a game that you like maybe you shouldnt open a thread in which there will be people giving reasons as to why they will/WONT be playing. You may have a point if someone of my gaming style buys a game and then gets pissed because its PvP focus.

Other than the fact that I think MMO PvP is weak and not fun, a major benifit of not liking mmo pvp is that people like you do like it and I avoid the masses of asshats that PvP attracts. Thankfully I can kill 2 birds in one stone.

During the CB I would have voted a big fat "hell yeah".

But now, after a few tries in the OB, I'm not gonna. The whole "lol, lolz, n00b, nub, For the horde roflz" crap sucked all the atmosphere right out.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

 People who play MMos then complain about the grind are usually not serious MMO gamers.

 

Every MMo has a grind, there really is no need to reprove this point every time some moron complains they arent playing X MMo because of the grind.

Do me a favor.  Would you, briefly, describe to me what a 'serious MMO gamer' is?  I'm genuinely curious, and I could use a good laugh. 

Thankfully I gave Aion another shot when Open beta began. The graphics are probably the best I've ever seen in a MMO, especially the terrain, landscape, and player models. The combat system is fun, the animations look nice, and it seems very polished now. That's reason enough for me. :) I also got my cousin and a couple friends to quit WoW for Aion. I'm looking forward to the 20th when I get to start early. :)

Originally posted by BizkitNL

During the CB I would have voted a big fat "hell yeah".

But now, after a few tries in the OB, I'm not gonna. The whole "lol, lolz, n00b, nub, For the horde roflz" crap sucked all the atmosphere right out.

Sad to see you pushed away by the WoW element - they won't be staying I'm sure. Once they realize this isn't easy mode WoW they will pitch thier bitch and head for home. I give most of those you mentioned above about 3 months tops, less than that if they cann't get the recognition they expect.

Originally posted by Kaocan

Originally posted by BizkitNL

During the CB I would have voted a big fat "hell yeah".

But now, after a few tries in the OB, I'm not gonna. The whole "lol, lolz, n00b, nub, For the horde roflz" crap sucked all the atmosphere right out.

 

Sad to see you pushed away by the WoW element - they won't be staying I'm sure. Once they realize this isn't easy mode WoW they will pitch thier bitch and head for home. I give most of those you mentioned above about 3 months tops, less than that if they cann't get the recognition they expect.

I plan to play at launch, but I'll probably only log on when friends are on (while in the past I was able to play MMOs solo or with strangers and be okay).  The community for closed beta was glorious, but the difference between it and open beta was like night and day.  I'm sure it was the addition of the global chat channels coupled with the arrival of the WoW kiddies which seem to be there to ruin every new entry to the genre.

Aion is a solid game with a lot of potential, but having played AoC and just leaving WoW, I'm honestly starting to question if I'll ever be able to enjoy my hobby of MMO gaming again.  Every other open beta tester I talked to stopped playing early this week because it was just wearying.  You couldn't even get a group, because the LFG channel became the new trade chat, and people asking honest reasonable questions were beaten down with moronic sarcastic responses without fail.

I'm praying this will die down after the free period provided by preordering is past.  Until then, I may honestly have to disable every chat channel other than /say and play solely with friends to relax and get some enjoyment out of it.

I will not be playing this game. Tried the OB and while the game has the best character creation I have seen in later MMO's it failed horrible to keep me motivated to play. The game isn't bad, I just found it to be too generic and voring for my taste. Quests are the typical MMO stuff that I had done a zillion times before, never bothered reading the quest text just clicked to grab the quest and move onb after realizing what they were all about. The game is polished, but for my part it just wasn't fun, and the flying part was a bit of a dissipointment once I realized how limited the world of flight really was. This might change when you reach 25 and visit Abyss tho, but I don't want to grind my levels for 15 levels when there is no real fun in it.

The game will most likely not fail as it is polished and not too bad. It just wasn't the game for me.

I'm all for helping people in general chat with issues they have. Unfortunately as with other games, very few people bother to read the quests. So when something is not linked to the map, you got people spamming all the channels about things that they could have picked up on their own by just reading the quest descriptions. Typical examples are:

• Where is tutty?
• Where is poppy?
• Where is the fossil?

Perhaps I'm the weird one, I read the quest and look for clues on my own. Another question that popped up frequently:

• Where can I find Verteron pepper?

Even without any other clue besides the name of the pepper, you have a food ingredient, thus you're looking for a food store, in ... Verteron (a main zone outpost). How hard can it be to deduce this much?

Soon enough there will be guides for people with questions such as these, but I think that it clearly shows that no matter how entertaining the developers are trying to make a game, some people will skip all the fun elements, reduce it to a grind and then complain about it.

Originally posted by Kaocan

Originally posted by BizkitNL

During the CB I would have voted a big fat "hell yeah".

But now, after a few tries in the OB, I'm not gonna. The whole "lol, lolz, n00b, nub, For the horde roflz" crap sucked all the atmosphere right out.

 

Sad to see you pushed away by the WoW element - they won't be staying I'm sure. Once they realize this isn't easy mode WoW they will pitch thier bitch and head for home. I give most of those you mentioned above about 3 months tops, less than that if they cann't get the recognition they expect.

I ended up putting my combat box on top of chat it helped filter the wow crowd out, that was on the asmodian side. Elyos however completely different experience everyone was mature, helpful and friendly, hell if it wasn't for the elyos race being a bunch of eltist jerks saying their the chosen one's I'd roll elyos. (YEAH I SAID IT BRING IT ELYOS!!) plus its all to bright and happy on that side living in Arizona you get sick of the sun. But back on topic give them the free month once it goes live the game will naturally weed them out, kinda like Darwin but for mmo's.

No,

Might as well play perfect world,  equal character creation, same general feel, same graphics in general and it's free.

The textures,  monsters, layout of the world ect is all very poor or average, i was actually a bit shocked it was that crappy.

Flying is cool- it all plays very smooth and stuff - but no substance - feels like your playing lineage or any other such game,

i keeps unconciously pressing hotkeys from other games and looking for menu items that weren't there forgetting what i was playing.

also leveling is totally uninspired in this game, it makes you hate it, because it's so droll, and nothing to get you into it or immerse you - just kill bunny/bear people, and insects. who hoo.

I had more fun getting screwed over at  AOC launch.

Originally posted by Xasapis

I'm all for helping people in general chat with issues they have. Unfortunately as with other games, very few people bother to read the quests. So when something is not linked to the map, you got people spamming all the channels about things that they could have picked up on their own by just reading the quest descriptions. Typical examples are:

• Where is tutty?
• Where is poppy?
• Where is the fossil?

Perhaps I'm the weird one, I read the quest and look for clues on my own. Another question that popped up frequently:

• Where can I find Verteron pepper?

Even without any other clue besides the name of the pepper, you have a food ingredient, thus you're looking for a food store, in ... Verteron (a main zone outpost). How hard can it be to deduce this much?

Soon enough there will be guides for people with questions such as these, but I think that it clearly shows that no matter how entertaining the developers are trying to make a game, some people will skip all the fun elements, reduce it to a grind and then complain about it.

To be fair, the text for those quests was pretty vague, especially the pepper one.  Btw, Verteron is the name of that entire region, not just the main hub (that's Verteron Citadel).  There are several other small settlements in the region.  Furthermore, other games people may be used to did not utilize multiple tabs on a vendor, so they may not have noticed the 'Materials' tab at the vendor in that grocery store.  I, like you, deduced where to go on my own, but left that store empty-handed and confused at first, until finally going back later to examine it closely.  All of those caused me a little bit of confusion and extra effort the first time I did them, so I can see people questioning them.

If anything, I got more upset with the people giving rude, sarcastic, and insulting responses to those people every single time they asked.  If you have time to do that, why not just link the coordinates that you can save to your map?

Originally posted by twrule

Originally posted by Xasapis

I'm all for helping people in general chat with issues they have. Unfortunately as with other games, very few people bother to read the quests. So when something is not linked to the map, you got people spamming all the channels about things that they could have picked up on their own by just reading the quest descriptions. Typical examples are:

• Where is tutty?
• Where is poppy?
• Where is the fossil?

Perhaps I'm the weird one, I read the quest and look for clues on my own. Another question that popped up frequently:

• Where can I find Verteron pepper?

Even without any other clue besides the name of the pepper, you have a food ingredient, thus you're looking for a food store, in ... Verteron (a main zone outpost). How hard can it be to deduce this much?

Soon enough there will be guides for people with questions such as these, but I think that it clearly shows that no matter how entertaining the developers are trying to make a game, some people will skip all the fun elements, reduce it to a grind and then complain about it.

 

To be fair, the text for those quests was pretty vague, especially the pepper one.  Btw, Verteron is the name of that entire region, not just the main hub (that's Verteron Citadel).  There are several other small settlements in the region.  Furthermore, other games people may be used to did not utilize multiple tabs on a vendor, so they may not have noticed the 'Materials' tab at the vendor in that grocery store.  I, like you, deduced where to go on my own, but left that store empty-handed and confused at first, until finally going back later to examine it closely.  All of those caused me a little bit of confusion and extra effort the first time I did them, so I can see people questioning them.

If anything, I got more upset with the people giving rude, sarcastic, and insulting responses to those people every single time they asked.  If you have time to do that, why not just link the coordinates that you can save to your map?

 

I can understand the distaste on both sides to this one, but in all fairness you do have to wonder why people ask where they can find Abex in the noob zone? I mean if you walk down the ONLY road there and turn your head left OR right you will see them. And after the 5th time its asked in under 10 minutes....you can see how it gets to the sarcastic and rude responses. Its not like they made it hard, all you have to do on some of them is actually look.

Quality of this game is not so impressive. actually this game try to contain all the PAST STUFF about MMOs but this game fail to create it's own originality.

i've heard from my friends who plays chinease server that it is better in the early stage, but i will be such a crap in the long run.

meanless quest, too much beautiful character without individuality,...anyway i don't pay at relese.

i would rather play Perfect World for free.

Originally posted by arri535

Quality of this game is not so impressive. actually this game try to contain all the PAST STUFF about MMOs but this game fail to create it's own originality.

i've heard from my friends who plays chinease server that it is better in the early stage, but i will be such a crap in the long run.

meanless quest, too much beautiful character without individuality,...anyway i don't pay at relese.

i would rather play Perfect World for free.

Oh God.... Another one who compared Aion to Perfect World.... Yes, both games toons can fly, but they are not even the same.  If that's the case, Aion is like SW: TOR because SW: TOR can FLY, too. 

Would love to play it but my standards are too high... No way in hell am I going to pay for a GG game. Remove the GG and you get a customer. Other wise there are other games coming out.

Reanim

Simple,

If you are bored with the mmo you are playing Aion is worth a try, overall it's a good game.

If you are not don't bother.

GG helps prevent cheating, bots & hackers so if your pc has no conflicts why complain?

So far I never had any GG issues on several mmos on different pc's with it over 10 years, maybe i'm just lucky.

The "problem" with those particular quests were not that they were vague. Generally speaking, all quests are a bit vague, they don't tell you exactly what you need to do, but rather try to describe what's needed as close as possible. The quests I mentioned were asked a lot, not because they were vague, but because there was no map link for them. Even considering that the first few zones are not that big and are rather linear, and you still got people asking for direct locations instead of having them searching a bit around.

As for giving locations (by the way, you can put a map link in your chat box by ctrl-RMB on the map), you'll do it the first dozen times. The problem was that these questions were asked every 5 minutes or so. One can help so many before he gets bored, especially since he's gone through the extra trouble to find the answers himself (which wasn't that hard).

You're right about the tab. I think that most people will familiarise themselves with this particular presentation of shop menus when they first go to pick skills for their profession from their capital cities. I did help a few people that failed to notice the mechanic and were wondering about their class spells.

I had my own brain dead moment when I needed to go to the outer dock in Sanctium and was wondering where the airship was docked. The map description should have been obvious, still I managed to go and wait in the shipyards instead of the airship dock.

Yup I will buy the game. Think I might be lucky to not have followed the game that close and the game itself actualy suprised me in how I was having fun playing it.

Last night reached lvl 10 and really became curious what else the game has to offer.

There are always things that are alike with many MMORPG's, but I must admit that I like the questing in Aion, pure talking about the campaings, as for the regular quest's in the "quest" tab are similar to about any MMORPG ever created.

And I have done many things in OB that I still have to figure out as for example I gathered 3 type of resources, Ore,  Azpha and ermmmm forgot name but call them apple's, anyway have not used it as I didn't look for a crafter type of teacher and not even sure if I would be able to craft with those ingredients as when I made lvl 10 and became a Daevas I lost my human rights to gather those resources again. Thought I have found I can take crafting professions now like Alchemy as just one example I looked into briefly.

I wont be, thanks to GameGuard.

GG just crashes my pc all the time when installed.

I had no problem with any of the quests during CBT or OBT the graphics and battles are smooth I like it :)

Originally posted by Xasapis

The "problem" with those particular quests were not that they were vague. Generally speaking, all quests are a bit vague, they don't tell you exactly what you need to do, but rather try to describe what's needed as close as possible. The quests I mentioned were asked a lot, not because they were vague, but because there was no map link for them. Even considering that the first few zones are not that big and are rather linear, and you still got people asking for direct locations instead of having them searching a bit around.

As for giving locations (by the way, you can put a map link in your chat box by ctrl-RMB on the map), you'll do it the first dozen times. The problem was that these questions were asked every 5 minutes or so. One can help so many before he gets bored, especially since he's gone through the extra trouble to find the answers himself (which wasn't that hard).

You're right about the tab. I think that most people will familiarise themselves with this particular presentation of shop menus when they first go to pick skills for their profession from their capital cities. I did help a few people that failed to notice the mechanic and were wondering about their class spells.

I had my own brain dead moment when I needed to go to the outer dock in Sanctium and was wondering where the airship was docked. The map description should have been obvious, still I managed to go and wait in the shipyards instead of the airship dock.

Really have to agree about most of the quests.  The one that I, in particular, had a lot of trouble with and had sympathy for folks on, was the fossil.  Reading the quest, I immediately knew that it'd be somewhere I'd have to fly to.  I spent 30-45~mins flying around the walls, landing, and regaining flight time, rinse/repeat.  For that entire time, I didn't manage to find it (I was searching the tops of the structures stuck into the walls - even using region chat helpers who posted locations without success) until finally, in region chat, someone explained to another person who'd asked that the fossil was stuck in the wall, and looked like a shell.  I literally found it within 15 seconds, no exaggeration whatsoever.

The folks who ask about the dead obvious however (wtf, where are Abex?) should be shot.  I'm usually the first to help folks out when I can, but in cases like that one, I'd rather some of these people go ahead and get bashed, embarrassed, and not continue to play or switch sides than have any impact on the side I've picked (the only reasonable excuse for this is them all being dead in a crowded channel 1 - even still, wait 2s and one respawns).  People who make absolutely no effort whatsoever to help themselves don't deserve the help of others, imo.  I'm sure it'll be a continued problem, however, but I do hope that in retail people will take a smidge longer and actually read through things moreso than in the beta where everyone's kinda in a rush.

I still plan to play at release, but my biggest concern thus far is the community.  No matter what server I've been on, Assmos seem the average run of the mill WoW refugee amateurish stereotype, with region chat zipping by so fast filled with enough lawls, noobs, epics, and fails to make anyone want to throw up.  While it's far, far better on the Elyos side, there's still the occasional asshat that's a douche for the sake of being one.  It's a bit concerning knowing that the game is PVP based, and will bring out the worst in some people.

Folks can call the progression "generic" all they want, but as you level up, play with manastones, and really get into it, you start to see the effects and customization possibilities this game offers to each player.  It really gets quite interesting, and I can't wait to figure things out further.  The effect of stacking up manastones on gear is actually surprising - far more impacting than gems in WoW, so people know.

Anyway, I'm hoping for a smooth launch, and a nice game to play for at least a good while.  I think this game will weed out the idiots within their first free month - which almost noone who sticks around to 30+ should have to deal with - which is really promising.  Playing at headstart/release will assure getting beyond that point all the quicker, and I can't wait.