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I bet you guys did not know about this very important piece of information.... Mythic hired most ex vanguard employees( whom worked under brad mcquaid) For just about 60% of the game on WAR. i have to laugh at mythic for this stupidest decision i ever known in a company STUPID STUPID STUPID move Mythic. Serves the game right, and put it out of its misery. |
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Cathalaode
Novice Member
Joined: 1/15/07
It takes all your power. |
How is this bad? It's not like they hired McQuaid himself. It's not like the employees who made Vanguard were his acolytes or anything like that. Seems like a smart decision to me actually. Hiring people who have recently made a major MMO. It's not like the people who made the game are inept or anything. Just the executives. |
I didn't know that, and I'm not doubting it or saying it's true, but how do you know this? Is this just a rumor? "You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you." Zbigniew Brzezinski to Joe Scarborough regarding Clinton and the Middle East on the "Morning Joe" program. |
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Because hiring people from a decent big name mmo is a terrible idea?
I'm with Cathalaode on this one. |
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I heard some guys who got laid off from Chevrolet got jobs at Hyundai... WTF was Hyundai thinkin'?!
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To OP, please read up on the history of VG first. The problem is with the upper management, like Brad and that guy who flirt in office, etc. The Devs is just following stupid orders from such a pathetic bunch, its not their fault. In fact im happy that they found a new job after being kick out in a carpark. Im with Cathalaode too on this...
RIP, Orc Choppa |
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Originally posted by Furor
So... lets change the context a bit. You work for Washington Mutual, Washington mutual goes out of business, you there fore should never be hired as you will drive companies out of business? See the issue? Employee's do what they are told by their employers, so dont blame the grunts. Darkfall News |
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Funny. I remember entering the early Vanguard beta and thinking, 'Wow, this feels a lot like the Warhammer setting.' They must have been fans, because back in the early beta, the whole art style was really reminiscent of Games Workshop artwork, particularly the High Elves. Shame that it changed so much by release. Even WAR doesn't feel so Warhammery as that did. Saerain Tested: 53 titles | Saerain Approved: EVE, VG, LotRO, AoC, SB |
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In case you did not follow warhammer's release, Mark Jacob (the idiot manager) hired ex vanguard devs, those devs were responsible for vanguard failure at launch ( the original vanguard devs who were there when vanguard tanked before soe purchased vanguard) Those failure of devs were hired by mythic to do 60% of its work. Its no wonder WARHAMMER ONLINE FAILED. Its all because of mark jacob's fault for hiring failed devs from the original vnaguard team. And if it were up to me? Id never hire devs with failed game title for my game company at all. |
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Did you actually read any of the posts after your first post before you made your second post? Assuming you know how to read that is. |
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Originally posted by Furor Guess it's a good thing you'll never have a game company or a game title with it for that matter. "IRL is a pretty upstanding MMO with thousands of classes, a lot of PvP and even some pretty unique emotes and titles you can acquire. Explore that world first, then we'll talk about this virtual one." |
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Originally posted by Furor
I don't think you can blame on those employees, if you want to blame them, you could blame them for all the bugs and lagging of the game or and the lousy graphic (I just hate the graphic.. looks horrible). Still mainly it's Mark Jacob's fault not being about to direct them to the right direction. |
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Yes i did read, I blame the failure of warhammer online on those INCOMPETENT EX VANGUARD DEVELEOPERS THAT MARK JACOBS HIRED during WARHAMMER'S development. I hope the other game companies read this, THIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT HIRE INCOMPETENT DEVELOPERS FOR EXAMPLE VANGUARD DEVS to do big buget ip such as warhammer online. Mark Jacobs IS AN IDIOT. Incompetent devs= incompetent, failure ip game PERIOD. |
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branko2307
Advanced Member
Joined: 6/21/06
If everything is going wrong and all the sunden something go well, then something must be wrong... |
U guys need ur brains checked... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Originally posted by teco221
I don't think you can blame on those employees, if you want to blame them, you could blame them for all the bugs and lagging of the game or and the lousy graphic (I just hate the graphic.. looks horrible). Still mainly it's Mark Jacob's fault not being about to direct them to the right direction.
Funny, the devs tanked vanguard, and they also tanked warhammeronline. Coincidence? I think not. I hope those devs burn in hell and never work another big budget ip again. |
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Or......we could blame the cleaners they hired? The same cleaners that were cleaning the desks right after the NGE hit Star Wars? Bastards! -.-  |
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Originally posted by Furor Darn good job you arnt running any sort of company then, so some small mercy there I guess. I didnt like Vanguard, but I will give credit where it was due it looked good, the faults for that game were piss poor management and lack of time and cash, the direction of a game/funding and man hour allocation is from management, the content made is from the devs, the same is true for Warhammer, the fault for that bastard red haired freckled abortion of a warhammer IP is purely management. Apart from that I cant see what your problem is, Im guessing you like Warhammer the IP maybe not so much the game and are looking for someone or something to rant at, well join the long list of people, but placing the blame with a section of the Dev team when direction is clearly a big problem is allowing for Brad style escape goatism. It wasnt my fault it was everyone and everything around me. Suck it up soldier, you lead you take responabilty. Currently Subbed to Fallen Earth, EVE, EQ1 and Readers Digest bastards keep mailing me crap and I cant shake em,moved countries twice for Christ's sake. |
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Originally posted by kruler Darn good job you arnt running any sort of company then, so some small mercy there I guess. I didnt like Vanguard, but I will give credit where it was due it looked good, the faults for that game were piss poor management and lack of time and cash, the direction of a game/funding and man hour allocation is from management, the content made is from the devs, the same is true for Warhammer, the fault for that bastard red haired freckled abortion of a warhammer IP is purely management. Apart from that I cant see what your problem is, Im guessing you like Warhammer the IP maybe not so much the game and are looking for someone or something to rant at, well join the long list of people, but placing the blame with a section of the Dev team when direction is clearly a big problem is allowing for Brad style escape goatism. It wasnt my fault it was everyone and everything around me. Suck it up soldier, you lead you take responabilty.
Lol sometimes i think Mark Jacob was high on drugs when he annouced he hired those ex vanguard to do work on warhammer online. Vanguard failed, and now warhammer online is on its death bed. Seriously, EA SHOULD HAVE LAied all of them off and rehire new devs THAT ARE COMPETENT. Hellllllo? Those are the incompetent devs from vanguard we're talking here and they get hired to do a big budget ip such as warhammer online? Do you see the problem i have here? Why would you hire incompetent devs to do such a huge ip mmorpg such as warhammer online knowing their past games involved in vanguard???? I simply cant find an answer what went through Jacobs head when he hired them I cant. |
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DillingerEP
 Hard Core Member
Joined: 9/18/07
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer extortion. The ex- makes it sound cool." |
Yup.... you know what let's just blame old Vanguard dev's. Let's not blame people like Jacob's, Hickman, Barnett... etc. No let's just blame ex Vanguard dev's for Warhammer's misfortune.
Sigh... dude you suck badly at being a troll. |
Originally posted by DillingerEP
/agreed...
Currently Subbed to Fallen Earth, EVE, EQ1 and Readers Digest bastards keep mailing me crap and I cant shake em,moved countries twice for Christ's sake. |
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Originally posted by Furor
Its the upper management who makes the decisions of using the old Gamebryo software for this game. The same engine thats being use on DAOC. I hope you get it from here onwards...
RIP, Orc Choppa |
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mm ya i agre with the op ,succes bring succes,you dont bring game dev that didnt do good in the past if they said ok lets take anarchy online dev i would say yes ,why? that games was very good,like the sim dev ,that game made huge pile of money i would hire a sim dev if they cant then you better hiring a freshman or women just out of school ,he ll have new idea etc yes he wont know whats possible with the tech of today and that can be a very good thing(to remove that psycho barrier |
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You want to know what the sad part was? The sad part is EA DIDNT LAY Those incompetent DEVS early on in the development of warhammer online. |
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I have to say I'm rather stunned that you can blame the devs for Warhammers failure. It's clearly poor management that made this promising title fail...you can't blame the grunts when management can't show you what direction to head in. I rather liked this game, but didn't have the time to give it a serious try when I bought it. I rather regret that now... Waiting for a game that never comes... |
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