"THEIR ARE NO HACKERS IN THIS GAME just Uber players"-

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Go beyond the obvious, there lies what I meant: DFO is not a sandbox. The example is purely incidental, could be any other game under the sun. Only difference that stands out in DFO's favor is that it's full loot. But even that's not exclusive to it. Other games do it much better, in fact.

Full loot, non-instanced PVP is not sandbox.

Don't tell people to stop posting in an open forum. I'll stop posting if I want to, not to appease your sensibility. You can disagree with me, but that's it.

Sandbox containes the elements of a seamless world and the freedom to progress your char without class limitations and or player levels  and like you want. Darkfall meets both requirements.

Not any of other games have seamless and not instanced world and the most restrict access to content through general player classes and or levels. 

Darkfall could  even have no full loot PvP ruleset  and still would be a sandbox. 

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

There isn't  a game require social skills then DF, i have never talked to other players in an MMORPG before like i do in DarkFall. It was not required cause unlike DarkFall other MMORPG's seems like solo games, u use your real-time voice comm  in DarkFall for socializing and politics. There is no mechanic to hinder you in your agreements with other players. Instead of click some butttons, you talk to your allies and do a "shake hands" with real communication.

 

Play some EVE. Then you'll see real politics in a game. I don't want "buttons". I want a vibrant, varied world where combat is just part of the picture (a big part, of course).

You had better politics in many games. UO, DAoC, etc. Politics is one thing, gamer interaction is another. The first is rare and very exciting. The last happens in any MMO, of any flavor. I remember reading and taking part of Hyperion's meeting and I was:

"Is this for real? That's it? Attack here, defend there?"

Experiences do vary, I'm well aware of that. I just question claims that "DFO politics is the best, ever, anywhere. It's so complex, and layered. Amazing!". These exaggerations must be challenged, I think.

EvE, UO is a sandbox too to my knowledge (DAoC i think too). Like DarkFall. You may not like the game but these doesn't make the game lesser sandboxy.

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Go beyond the obvious, there lies what I meant: DFO is not a sandbox. The example is purely incidental, could be any other game under the sun. Only difference that stands out in DFO's favor is that it's full loot. But even that's not exclusive to it. Other games do it much better, in fact.

Full loot, non-instanced PVP is not sandbox.

Don't tell people to stop posting in an open forum. I'll stop posting if I want to, not to appease your sensibility. You can disagree with me, but that's it.

It seem like you never played in a sandbox once in your real life.

If you dont want to stop posting is because you still like DFO and you will still play it. I mean, I did go on GW2 forum, made 2 threadst to say that i wont like the game, argue a lil bit more and i didnt go back there. Same for Champion online, 2 threads i made there.

You whine about DF, but you still here posting about instead of trying to search for an other game or something. Meaning that you still play it, something is lacking for you. The old way and you cannot get use to the new way. You act like a old grand pa who always talk with his little son about how it was in the old days. Now, real talk, you are boring like a old grand pa and his old stories.

It had been only like 7 months only and you are already too old lol.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Go beyond the obvious, there lies what I meant: DFO is not a sandbox. The example is purely incidental, could be any other game under the sun. Only difference that stands out in DFO's favor is that it's full loot. But even that's not exclusive to it. Other games do it much better, in fact.

Full loot, non-instanced PVP is not sandbox.

Don't tell people to stop posting in an open forum. I'll stop posting if I want to, not to appease your sensibility. You can disagree with me, but that's it.

 

It seem like you never played in a sandbox once in your real life.

 

If you dont want to stop posting is because you still like DFO and you will still play it. I mean, I did go on GW2 forum, made 2 threadst to say that i wont like the game, argue a lil bit more and i didnt go back there. Same for Champion online, 2 threads i made there.

You whine about DF, but you still here posting about instead of trying to search for an other game or something. Meaning that you still play it, something is lacking for you. The old way and you cannot get use to the new way. You act like a old grand pa who always talk with his little son about how it was in the old days. Now, real talk, you are boring like a old grand pa and his old stories.

It had been only like 7 months only and you are already too old lol.

Armchair psychology at its best =)

If you don't believe my reasons to still follow the game, nothing I can do about it.

@Darth

Yes, i used those games as examples because they are real sandboxes, with particularities of their own. I would never place current DFO among them, and not because I dislike it (which I don't, I'm merely disappointed by it).

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Go beyond the obvious, there lies what I meant: DFO is not a sandbox. The example is purely incidental, could be any other game under the sun. Only difference that stands out in DFO's favor is that it's full loot. But even that's not exclusive to it. Other games do it much better, in fact.

Full loot, non-instanced PVP is not sandbox.

Don't tell people to stop posting in an open forum. I'll stop posting if I want to, not to appease your sensibility. You can disagree with me, but that's it.

 

It seem like you never played in a sandbox once in your real life.

 

If you dont want to stop posting is because you still like DFO and you will still play it. I mean, I did go on GW2 forum, made 2 threadst to say that i wont like the game, argue a lil bit more and i didnt go back there. Same for Champion online, 2 threads i made there.

You whine about DF, but you still here posting about instead of trying to search for an other game or something. Meaning that you still play it, something is lacking for you. The old way and you cannot get use to the new way. You act like a old grand pa who always talk with his little son about how it was in the old days. Now, real talk, you are boring like a old grand pa and his old stories.

It had been only like 7 months only and you are already too old lol.

 

Armchair psychology at its best =)

If you don't believe my reasons to still follow the game, nothing I can do about it.

 

@Darth

Yes, i used those games as examples because they are real sandboxes, with particularities of their own. I would never place current DFO among them, and not because I dislike it (which I don't, I'm merely disappointed by it).

Get use to it. Thats it. No one is on your side so it will remain like this. If i go on the wow forum and whine about the lack of world pvp and express myself to say how i hate that pvp happen only on BG's and BG type of world pvp, they will all ask me to go back to DF or something like that. They will tell me to fuck off and stop posting trust me on that.

Last time i was on wow forum whining, i ddint even mention darkfall once. Many asked me to go back to darkfall if i want only pvp and no good pve content. They say that they will never play DF because its only about PVP and nothing else. They never play DF, but they sure know more about it then some of you did before you decide to try the game and then whine about it after.

A long time ago, before my wow account was expire, i made a thread in the official wow forum about darkfall and say how it will be. Only 1 of them said that it remind him of UO and he said that he will check it out. He came back and said that its so much better then UO because this time, its only about pvp and there is 10 000 players to kill.

Final mark, DF is not a clone of UO. Its his own game with the best pvp content that an mmorpg can have.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Go beyond the obvious, there lies what I meant: DFO is not a sandbox. The example is purely incidental, could be any other game under the sun. Only difference that stands out in DFO's favor is that it's full loot. But even that's not exclusive to it. Other games do it much better, in fact.

Full loot, non-instanced PVP is not sandbox.

Don't tell people to stop posting in an open forum. I'll stop posting if I want to, not to appease your sensibility. You can disagree with me, but that's it.

 

It seem like you never played in a sandbox once in your real life.

 

If you dont want to stop posting is because you still like DFO and you will still play it. I mean, I did go on GW2 forum, made 2 threadst to say that i wont like the game, argue a lil bit more and i didnt go back there. Same for Champion online, 2 threads i made there.

You whine about DF, but you still here posting about instead of trying to search for an other game or something. Meaning that you still play it, something is lacking for you. The old way and you cannot get use to the new way. You act like a old grand pa who always talk with his little son about how it was in the old days. Now, real talk, you are boring like a old grand pa and his old stories.

It had been only like 7 months only and you are already too old lol.

 

Armchair psychology at its best =)

If you don't believe my reasons to still follow the game, nothing I can do about it.

 

@Darth

Yes, i used those games as examples because they are real sandboxes, with particularities of their own. I would never place current DFO among them, and not because I dislike it (which I don't, I'm merely disappointed by it).

 

Get use to it. Thats it. No one is on your side so it will remain like this. If i go on the wow forum and whine about the lack of world pvp and express myself to say how i hate that pvp happen only on BG's and BG type of world pvp, they will all ask me to go back to DF or something like that. They will tell me to fuck off and stop posting trust me on that.

Last time i was on wow forum whining, i ddint even mention darkfall once. Many asked me to go back to darkfall if i want only pvp and no good pve content. They say that they will never play DF because its only about PVP and nothing else. They never play DF, but they sure know more about it then some of you did before you decide to try the game and then whine about it after.

A long time ago, before my wow account was expire, i made a thread in the official wow forum about darkfall and say how it will be. Only 1 of them said that it remind him of UO and he said that he will check it out. He came back and said that its so much better then UO because this time, its only about pvp and there is 10 000 players to kill.

Final mark, DF is not a clone of UO. Its his own game with the best pvp content that an mmorpg can have.

I am used to it. I'm not complaining. I am just discussing. Unlike you, I'm not so sure about everything and everyone. I enjoy the debate, and the idiosyncrasies posted. The obsession with WoW, for instance, is quite telling.

I'll remain critical as long as I think there are reasons to. I'll go back to the game when I feel it has dealt with issues I see as problems. It's strange how spooked people are at criticism.

"A True sandbox where even other players can steal your battleship and taunt you with it as you drown."

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Go beyond the obvious, there lies what I meant: DFO is not a sandbox. The example is purely incidental, could be any other game under the sun. Only difference that stands out in DFO's favor is that it's full loot. But even that's not exclusive to it. Other games do it much better, in fact.

Full loot, non-instanced PVP is not sandbox.

Don't tell people to stop posting in an open forum. I'll stop posting if I want to, not to appease your sensibility. You can disagree with me, but that's it.

 

It seem like you never played in a sandbox once in your real life.

 

If you dont want to stop posting is because you still like DFO and you will still play it. I mean, I did go on GW2 forum, made 2 threadst to say that i wont like the game, argue a lil bit more and i didnt go back there. Same for Champion online, 2 threads i made there.

You whine about DF, but you still here posting about instead of trying to search for an other game or something. Meaning that you still play it, something is lacking for you. The old way and you cannot get use to the new way. You act like a old grand pa who always talk with his little son about how it was in the old days. Now, real talk, you are boring like a old grand pa and his old stories.

It had been only like 7 months only and you are already too old lol.

 

Armchair psychology at its best =)

If you don't believe my reasons to still follow the game, nothing I can do about it.

 

@Darth

Yes, i used those games as examples because they are real sandboxes, with particularities of their own. I would never place current DFO among them, and not because I dislike it (which I don't, I'm merely disappointed by it).

 

Get use to it. Thats it. No one is on your side so it will remain like this. If i go on the wow forum and whine about the lack of world pvp and express myself to say how i hate that pvp happen only on BG's and BG type of world pvp, they will all ask me to go back to DF or something like that. They will tell me to fuck off and stop posting trust me on that.

Last time i was on wow forum whining, i ddint even mention darkfall once. Many asked me to go back to darkfall if i want only pvp and no good pve content. They say that they will never play DF because its only about PVP and nothing else. They never play DF, but they sure know more about it then some of you did before you decide to try the game and then whine about it after.

A long time ago, before my wow account was expire, i made a thread in the official wow forum about darkfall and say how it will be. Only 1 of them said that it remind him of UO and he said that he will check it out. He came back and said that its so much better then UO because this time, its only about pvp and there is 10 000 players to kill.

Final mark, DF is not a clone of UO. Its his own game with the best pvp content that an mmorpg can have.

 

I am used to it. I'm not complaining. I am just discussing. Unlike you, I'm not so sure about everything and everyone. I enjoy the debate, and the idiosyncrasies posted. The obsession with WoW, for instance, is quite telling.

I'll remain critical as long as I think there are reasons to. I'll go back to the game when I feel it has dealt with issues I see as problems. It's strange how spooked people are at criticism.

 

I enderstand that, but you really did failed so deep when you said that DF was not a sandbox. The way you writed that sentence sounded like you was not sarcastic. So you make yourself sound stupid seriously since you play DF.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Really, I'll never get tired of pointing out this very basic fact, since apparently people never stop trying to sell it as such.

DFO is not a sandbox.

 

It would help if you not repeat something like a mantra.

see here like i do..

DarkFall is a sandbox because your free to go everywhere on Agon, try everything on Agon, obtain anything on Agon. No barrier hinders you from going to a place on a map, no one dictate to you what you should do with your gaming session on Agon.

You want craft fine, you want go for some PvE fine, you want to go to jump others who gather mats, fine.

...

etc..

I guess you got my point of the sandbox character of DarkFall ;)

Nice list, but you're not really proving anything. I can do pretty much everything you listed there in Lineage 2, among others, and I wouldn't call Lineage 2 a sandbox. It's an open PvP MMO with a lot of options for players to pursue.

Minus the PvP and swimming out to an island, FFXI offers pretty much all of that and then some. There are people playing FFXI since it launched in the US (almost 7 years ago), have done a *ton* of stuff and still have a list of things they haven't even tried yet. Still, I wouldn't call FFXI a sandbox... it's a PvE MMO with a whole lot of options for players to choose from.

And so on...

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

There isn't  a game require social skills then DF, i have never talked to other players in an MMORPG before like i do in DarkFall. It was not required cause unlike DarkFall other MMORPG's seems like solo games, u use your real-time voice comm  in DarkFall for socializing and politics. There is no mechanic to hinder you in your agreements with other players. Nothing can beat real communication via real voice IMO in socializuing and diplomatic aspects. Instead of click some butttons, you talk to your allies and do a "shake hands" with real communication.

Countless times i saw rules being enforced or conflicts being resolved  not by a game mechanic but instead by real communication between players who talked in voice chat together or their supreme generals .

Then you haven't played enough of the right MMOs.

Lineage 2 has seen exactly the kind of communication you are talking about for years now, and continues to. Communication with other players is absolutely critical if you want to be active in PvP and sieging and have any chance of surviving. You need to be able to negotiate with other clans/alliances, you need to be able to work out compromises, settle hairy situations... You have to be able to convince other clans to help you take a castle/fortress/clan hall, or defend and keep it once you've gotten one. An ally leader, or the leader of a clan within that ally has to communicate with others in their alliance if they want to declare war on another clan because doing so would have an affect on anyone with their Ally tag, not just their own clan. Leaders are always talking out agreements to have wars dropped... and so on.

Countless times I've seen leaders and officers of other clans or alliances log on to Ventrilo or Teamspeak, go into another channel to negotiate with my clan's leaders/officers, sometimes for an hour or longer, about a variety of things.

 And that's just one example.

Darth, just one suggestion... offered completely without sarcasm. You should really stay away from making absolute statements like your opening sentence. If it's the only MMO *you've* played like that, then please express it as such.

Stop making such absolute statements, because they are always easily proven wrong.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Really, I'll never get tired of pointing out this very basic fact, since apparently people never stop trying to sell it as such.

DFO is not a sandbox.

 

It would help if you not repeat something like a mantra.

see here like i do..

DarkFall is a sandbox because your free to go everywhere on Agon, try everything on Agon, obtain anything on Agon. No barrier hinders you from going to a place on a map, no one dictate to you what you should do with your gaming session on Agon.

You want craft fine, you want go for some PvE fine, you want to go to jump others who gather mats, fine.

...

etc..

I guess you got my point of the sandbox character of DarkFall ;)

Nice list, but you're not really proving anything. I can do pretty much everything you listed there in Lineage 2, among others, and I wouldn't call Lineage 2 a sandbox. It's an open PvP MMO with a lot of options for players to pursue.

Minus the PvP and swimming out to an island, FFXI offers pretty much all of that and then some. There are people playing FFXI since it launched in the US (almost 7 years ago), have done a *ton* of stuff and still have a list of things they haven't even tried yet. Still, I wouldn't call FFXI a sandbox... it's a PvE MMO with a whole lot of options for players to choose from.

And so on...

 

 

 

You are so pathetic. Lineage and FFX1 are no way a sandbox mmorpg. A sandbox is where you can do all the feature that a game have in one server. If fighting in a capital city is disabled, its not a sandbox anymore. In DF, you can fight in a capital race, but the tower watch will attack you so its still a sandbox since you can still fight. If there is an instance in FFX1 or lineage, its not a sandbox again, unless you count it as a multiple sandbox game and in darkafll, we talk about 1 sandbox. If 2 zerg guild start a war to attack each other, anyone can join and there can be 6 different war at 6 different location that happen on the world at the same time. In FFX1, i bet that if someone do an instance to kill a dragon, an other guild can do the same instance, but bot of you wont be able to see each other.

Your comparason are so bad when you say that a theme park mmo is a sandbox too. It maybe a sandbox, but its limited while in DFO, its not limited at all. Its 100% a pure sandbox like no other theme park game.

Try READING next time before responding, sometimes if not most times makes all the difference.........

I highlighted a couple of parts in red in vain hope that you might actually understand what was the point that WSiMike was trying to make and in yellow where you failed to comprehend their meaning..............Yeah i know it's a longshot on my behalf to hope that you would actually understand but what the hell..........

And a little extra hint the point is StrixMaxima's last sentence

Well I agree it's not sandbox too. Lets say I want to play a harvester:

-I play 5 hours, don't get attacked, return with backpacks full of stuff and faced no danger or excitement.

-I play 5 hours, get attacked 20 times, lost some stuff but ended up with enough to skill up.

-I play 5 hours, get attacked constantly and did not advance my chosen role at all.

That's an issue of balance which darkfall has not met. Of course feel free to continue arguing the extreemes.

Darkfall, more liars in leadership than the US government.

I thought me mentioning the requirements for what is sandbox, the seamless non instanced world and the lack of limitations like classes or general player levels that restrict gameplay content, would help everyone here understand what a sandbox is.

To be a sandbox is not something that is subjective and isn't something you like or dislike in the game or conetnt, there is objective classifications and evidence for it, mentioned above.

Again DarkFall meets both criteria..whereas a lot of MMO dont meet em.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

I thought me mentioning the requirements for what is sandbox, the seamless non instanced world and the lack of limitations like classes or general player levels that restrict gameplay content, would help everyone here understand what a sandbox is.

To be a sandbox is not something that is subjective and isn't something you like or dislike in the game or conetnt, there is objective classifications and evidence for it, mentioned above.

Again DarkFall meets both criteria..whereas a lot of MMO dont meet em.

Everyone will have a different meaning of what sandbox is.

It sounds like according to Darth's definition; DarkFall is a sandbox for him.

For many others it is not.  In the end it doesn't really matter.  If Darth enjoys playing the game and he wants to consider it a sandbox... not really a big deal to me. 

I personally don't consider DarkFall a sandbox and could list a bunch of reasons why I don't consider it to be one.  Then Darth, or someone else will counter every single one of those points saying that they aren't important and shouldn't really be used as a criteria for determining whether a game is sandbox or not.

And that's the point...

Everyone's criteria for what makes a MMO sandbox will be different. 

• For some it will simply be a non-instanced world.
• For others it would need to be skill-based MMO.
• For others it will be the ability to place a house or city where-ever they want.
• For others it will be the ability to pick or change racial alignments.
• For others it will be the ability to make AND repair weapons and armor.
• For others it will be the ability to be any profession or role they can imagine.
• For others it will mean changing the landscape and environment of the game-world.

By certain definitions (or their interpretation anyway), almost all MMOs are sandbox to a certain degree.

By other definitions, almost no MMO is a sandbox.

So which one is correct?  Good luck with that. 

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

I thought me mentioning the requirements for what is sandbox, the seamless non instanced world and the lack of limitations like classes or general player levels that restrict gameplay content, would help everyone here understand what a sandbox is.

To be a sandbox is not something that is subjective and isn't something you like or dislike in the game or conetnt, there is objective classifications and evidence for it, mentioned above.

Again DarkFall meets both criteria..whereas a lot of MMO dont meet em.

 

Everyone will have a different meaning of what sandbox is.

 

It sounds like according to Darth's definition; DarkFall is a sandbox for him.

For many others it is not.  In the end it doesn't really matter.  If Darth enjoys playing the game and he wants to consider it a sandbox... not really a big deal to me. 

 

I personally don't consider DarkFall a sandbox and could list a bunch of reasons why I don't consider it to be one.  Then Darth, or someone else will counter every single one of those points saying that they aren't important and shouldn't really be used as a criteria for determining whether a game is sandbox or not.

 

And that's the point...

Everyone's criteria for what makes a MMO sandbox will be different. 

• For some it will simply be a non-instanced world.
• For others it would need to be skill-based MMO.
• For others it will be the ability to place a house or city where-ever they want.
• For others it will be the ability to pick or change racial alignments.
• For others it will be the ability to make AND repair weapons and armor.
• For others it will be the ability to be any profession or role they can imagine.
• For others it will mean changing the landscape and environment of the game-world.

 

By certain definitions (or their interpretation anyway), almost all MMOs are sandbox to a certain degree.

By other definitions, almost no MMO is a sandbox.

So which one is correct?  Good luck with that. 

i thought i was clear in that what a sandbox is.

You just brought a subjective bullet list on that table with likings or dislkings and or partial potions of sandbox.

I mentioned objective criteria and requirements what the meaning of sandbox is.

You can place a house in an instance whereever you want that is not happened in a sandbox game cause the world wasn't seamless. You can make and repair wepons the whole day , you not doing it in a sandbox if you of a class warrior with a player level of 50.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Really, I'll never get tired of pointing out this very basic fact, since apparently people never stop trying to sell it as such.

DFO is not a sandbox.

 

It would help if you not repeat something like a mantra.

see here like i do..

DarkFall is a sandbox because your free to go everywhere on Agon, try everything on Agon, obtain anything on Agon. No barrier hinders you from going to a place on a map, no one dictate to you what you should do with your gaming session on Agon.

You want craft fine, you want go for some PvE fine, you want to go to jump others who gather mats, fine.

...

etc..

I guess you got my point of the sandbox character of DarkFall ;)

Nice list, but you're not really proving anything. I can do pretty much everything you listed there in Lineage 2, among others, and I wouldn't call Lineage 2 a sandbox. It's an open PvP MMO with a lot of options for players to pursue.

Minus the PvP and swimming out to an island, FFXI offers pretty much all of that and then some. There are people playing FFXI since it launched in the US (almost 7 years ago), have done a *ton* of stuff and still have a list of things they haven't even tried yet. Still, I wouldn't call FFXI a sandbox... it's a PvE MMO with a whole lot of options for players to choose from.

And so on...

 

 

 

You are so pathetic. Lineage and FFX1 are no way a sandbox mmorpg. A sandbox is where you can do all the feature that a game have in one server. If fighting in a capital city is disabled, its not a sandbox anymore. In DF, you can fight in a capital race, but the tower watch will attack you so its still a sandbox since you can still fight. If there is an instance in FFX1 or lineage, its not a sandbox again, unless you count it as a multiple sandbox game and in darkafll, we talk about 1 sandbox. If 2 zerg guild start a war to attack each other, anyone can join and there can be 6 different war at 6 different location that happen on the world at the same time. In FFX1, i bet that if someone do an instance to kill a dragon, an other guild can do the same instance, but bot of you wont be able to see each other.

Your comparason are so bad when you say that a theme park mmo is a sandbox too. It maybe a sandbox, but its limited while in DFO, its not limited at all. Its 100% a pure sandbox like no other theme park game.

In Blue...
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Reading & Comprehension were/are your weak points. That said, you really are in no position to be calling anyone pathetic. Just sayin'.

In Orange...
It's even worse when I never made that comparison in the first place. Again... Reading & Comprehension; they're your best friends on a forum.

 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by xzyax

 

i thought i was clear in that what a sandbox is.

You just brought a subjective bullet list on that table with likings or dislkings and or partial potions of sandbox.

I mentioned objective criteria and requirements what the meaning of sandbox is.

You can place a house in an instance whereever you want that is not happened in a sandbox game cause the world wasn't seamless. You can make and repair wepons the whole day , you not doing it in a sandbox if you of a class warrior with a player level of 50.

 

 

 

xzyax... No point in arguing with Darth. He is the self-appointed Authority on what a Sandbox is. 

All those articles written by experienced veterans of the industry, all those other options that you listed... they mean nothing. If they're not deemed necessary' by Darth, then they are not necessary. Period. End of discussion. No point in even discussing the topic anymore. Darth has had the final word, and his word is Gospel.

From now on, everyone is to refer to what Darth says and consider it fact... for Darth hath said so. Even when he inevitably changes the definition to fit the situation down the road, then your definition must change as well. He remains the sole expert on the subject.

Do not question his authoritahh!!

/sarcasm off

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by xzyax

 

i thought i was clear in that what a sandbox is.

You just brought a subjective bullet list on that table with likings or dislkings and or partial potions of sandbox.

I mentioned objective criteria and requirements what the meaning of sandbox is.

You can place a house in an instance whereever you want that is not happened in a sandbox game cause the world wasn't seamless. You can make and repair wepons the whole day , you not doing it in a sandbox if you of a class warrior with a player level of 50.

 

 

 

xzyax... No point in arguing with Darth. He is the self-appointed Authority on what a Sandbox is. 

All those articles written by experienced veterans of the industry, all those other options that you listed... they mean nothing. If they're not deemed necessary' by Darth, then they are not necessary. Period. End of discussion. No point in even discussing the topic anymore. Darth has had the final word, and his word is Gospel.

From now on, everyone is to refer to what Darth says and consider it fact... for Darth hath said so. Even when he inevitably changes the definition to fit the situation down the road, then your definition must change as well. He remains the sole expert on the subject.

Do not question his authoritahh!!

/sarcasm off

Here talks someone who cant defeat an argument by counter it or try to to find a better definition  but instead trying to stab and discredit the person. 

Because you didn't provide anything to diskussion about waht sandbox is on your own i assume you consider my description of what a sandbox is as valid.

"Darkfall...de-railing threads since 2001"

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

I thought me mentioning the requirements for what is sandbox, the seamless non instanced world and the lack of limitations like classes or general player levels that restrict gameplay content, would help everyone here understand what a sandbox is.

To be a sandbox is not something that is subjective and isn't something you like or dislike in the game or conetnt, there is objective classifications and evidence for it, mentioned above.

Again DarkFall meets both criteria..whereas a lot of MMO dont meet em.

 

Everyone will have a different meaning of what sandbox is.

 

It sounds like according to Darth's definition; DarkFall is a sandbox for him.

For many others it is not.  In the end it doesn't really matter.  If Darth enjoys playing the game and he wants to consider it a sandbox... not really a big deal to me. 

 

I personally don't consider DarkFall a sandbox and could list a bunch of reasons why I don't consider it to be one.  Then Darth, or someone else will counter every single one of those points saying that they aren't important and shouldn't really be used as a criteria for determining whether a game is sandbox or not.

 

And that's the point...

Everyone's criteria for what makes a MMO sandbox will be different. 

• For some it will simply be a non-instanced world.
• For others it would need to be skill-based MMO.
• For others it will be the ability to place a house or city where-ever they want.
• For others it will be the ability to pick or change racial alignments.
• For others it will be the ability to make AND repair weapons and armor.
• For others it will be the ability to be any profession or role they can imagine.
• For others it will mean changing the landscape and environment of the game-world.

 

By certain definitions (or their interpretation anyway), almost all MMOs are sandbox to a certain degree.

By other definitions, almost no MMO is a sandbox.

So which one is correct?  Good luck with that. 

 

i thought i was clear in that what a sandbox is.

You just brought a subjective bullet list on that table with likings or dislkings and or partial potions of sandbox.

I mentioned objective criteria and requirements what the meaning of sandbox is.

You can place a house in an instance whereever you want that is not happened in a sandbox game cause the world wasn't seamless. You can make and repair wepons the whole day , you not doing it in a sandbox if you of a class warrior with a player level of 50.

 

 

 

Darth you just keep giving us your opinion on what a sandbox is. Its different for everyone since everyone has a different perspective. You can deny that all you want. Really wish you would just stay in game and enjoy ganking the minute population that is left in the game.

What you wish for is different from what you will get. enjoy

Darkfall the FPS version of Shadowbane

Only with less Mobs and we replaced the level grind with a more grindy "skill" system.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

I thought me mentioning the requirements for what is sandbox, the seamless non instanced world and the lack of limitations like classes or general player levels that restrict gameplay content, would help everyone here understand what a sandbox is.

To be a sandbox is not something that is subjective and isn't something you like or dislike in the game or conetnt, there is objective classifications and evidence for it, mentioned above.

Again DarkFall meets both criteria..whereas a lot of MMO dont meet em.

 

Everyone will have a different meaning of what sandbox is.

 

It sounds like according to Darth's definition; DarkFall is a sandbox for him.

For many others it is not.  In the end it doesn't really matter.  If Darth enjoys playing the game and he wants to consider it a sandbox... not really a big deal to me. 

 

I personally don't consider DarkFall a sandbox and could list a bunch of reasons why I don't consider it to be one.  Then Darth, or someone else will counter every single one of those points saying that they aren't important and shouldn't really be used as a criteria for determining whether a game is sandbox or not.

 

And that's the point...

Everyone's criteria for what makes a MMO sandbox will be different. 

• For some it will simply be a non-instanced world.
• For others it would need to be skill-based MMO.
• For others it will be the ability to place a house or city where-ever they want.
• For others it will be the ability to pick or change racial alignments.
• For others it will be the ability to make AND repair weapons and armor.
• For others it will be the ability to be any profession or role they can imagine.
• For others it will mean changing the landscape and environment of the game-world.

 

By certain definitions (or their interpretation anyway), almost all MMOs are sandbox to a certain degree.

By other definitions, almost no MMO is a sandbox.

So which one is correct?  Good luck with that. 

 

i thought i was clear in that what a sandbox is.

You just brought a subjective bullet list on that table with likings or dislkings and or partial potions of sandbox.

I mentioned objective criteria and requirements what the meaning of sandbox is.

You can place a house in an instance whereever you want that is not happened in a sandbox game cause the world wasn't seamless. You can make and repair wepons the whole day , you not doing it in a sandbox if you of a class warrior with a player level of 50.

 

 

 

Darth you just keep giving us your opinion on what a sandbox is. Its different for everyone since everyone has a different perspective. You can deny that all you want. Really wish you would just stay in game and enjoy ganking the minute population that is left in the game.

Heh... well can't say I didn't predict it. 

You proved my point exactly Darth. 

You listed the definition of Sandbox... FOR YOU. 

Your definition doesn't cut it for me.  I listed a couple possible reasons why, but in the end I don't really think it's a discussion worth having. 

Why?  Because there is no right and wrong on the subject.

In the end, you will still swear up and down that DarkFall is sandbox... and that is your right to have that opinion.

That opinion though, doesn't mean it's a given fact for others.  Like it or not, the definition of a Sandbox MMO IS subjective. 

We all have differing views of what makes a MMO a sandbox MMO.  There is no universally agreed upon definition.  The definition you gave above is your view on it.  Great, but not a "fact"; just your opinion on the subject.

I'm glad you find fun in playing DarkFall and believe it to a be a sandbox for you.