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I think the only problem I have with console mmos is they have to be designed with the small amount of buttons the controller has. Also has to take note that console players might not be as willing to put their credit card info down for a game. The lack of harddrive space aswel is something that has to be kept in mind on the 360 and the limits of cosole power when adding new content. My main problem is console games are always designed for action rather than complex tasks or crfating. The Final Fantasy MMO is obviously different because the Japanese developers do their own thing and don't care about appealing to the western audience.
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Originally posted by Varny
At some point MMORPGs WILL be available for consoles. That is just too big a market for MMO makers to ignore. I don't know about the specs for the WII, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 are really computers when you get down to it. They both have processors,hard drives,memory and high speed internet capability. All they need to complete the picture is a mouse and keyboard, all of which can be hooked up via USB. So why not make them available for consoles? If you don't want to play the game, don't bore everyone by stating as much. Just don't play and move on because nobody cares to hear a soapbox. |
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maskedweasel
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Joined: 9/24/07
"Kids, try imagining how far the universe extends! Keep thinking about it until you go insane." |
Originally posted by ktanner3
At some point MMORPGs WILL be available for consoles. That is just too big a market for MMO makers to ignore. I don't know about the specs for the WII, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 are really computers when you get down to it. They both have processors,hard drives,memory and high speed internet capability. All they need to complete the picture is a mouse and keyboard, all of which can be hooked up via USB. So why not make them available for consoles?
The wii is a computer-ish thing as well, but the hard drive is very small in comparison so its doubtful we'll see a large amount of content being loaded on its hard drive. You can use HCSD cards capable of 8 gigs or more.. but more then likely new MMOs would take up more space then that. |
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Yes Star Trek will be on both PC and 360. Just like Champions Online. Atari/Cryptic were able to work out a deal with both games. MMORPG.com Staff Derek Gordon |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
"If I'm not back in 5 minutes... Just wait longer." -Ace Ventura |
Originally posted by DerekGordon Actually from the last interview with Jack Emmert concerning the Xbox version of CO he said they are having some difficulties negotiating a subscription plan with Microsoft over the Xbox version of CO. Jack has stated that they have the Xbox version all ready to ship but MS is standing in their way at the moment. This is a monumental moment in the future of console based MMOs as this move by MS is casting a dark cloud over the future of not only CO and STO for consoles but all future MMOs on consoles. Unless Cryptic and Microsoft can reach an agreement over this there may be no STO for Xbox 360.
The problem lies in the fact that Cryptic wants CO to be available to Xbox 360 Silver members(non-paying) and Microsoft is standing firm that only Gold members(paying) should have access to any multiplayer content on the Xbox Live service. Unless they can work this out there may be no CO or STO on the Xbox 360.
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To me, this is the biggest bullshit that was ever forced down console owners' throats. Lets imagine that I buy a computer from ASUS and then, aside from my normal internet provider fees, I also have to pay ASUS a fee to use the internet on that computer. Sounds ridiculous doesnt it? Console manufacturers should die in a fire, alongside everyone stupid enough to fall for their scam.
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Originally posted by Brenelael Actually from the last interview with Jack Emmert concerning the Xbox version of CO he said they are having some difficulties negotiating a subscription plan with Microsoft over the Xbox version of CO. Jack has stated that they have the Xbox version all ready to ship but MS is standing in their way at the moment. This is a monumental moment in the future of console based MMOs as this move by MS is casting a dark cloud over the future of not only CO and STO for consoles but all future MMOs on consoles. Unless Cryptic and Microsoft can reach an agreement over this there may be no STO for Xbox 360.
The problem lies in the fact that Cryptic wants CO to be available to Xbox 360 Silver members(non-paying) and Microsoft is standing firm that only Gold members(paying) should have access to any multiplayer content on the Xbox Live service. Unless they can work this out there may be no CO or STO on the Xbox 360.
Bren
This is exactly why I didn't buy an Xbox. I KNEW that if I chose it I would have to deal with Microsoft trying to fleece me for every little thing. It's bad enough I have to pay money every month just play a game. I'll be damned if I am forced to pay an additional charge for the online service. If you don't want to play the game, don't bore everyone by stating as much. Just don't play and move on because nobody cares to hear a soapbox. |
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Personally I believe xbox compatibilty is what ruined AoC and possibly Champions Online as far as the heavy instancing and the general shallowness of the gameplay of both games. From what I've read about STO seems like they may be heading down the same road. Always lots of reasons for the design decisions given but console compatibility has to make a huge impact. |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
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Originally posted by maskedweasel
The wii is a computer-ish thing as well, but the hard drive is very small in comparison so its doubtful we'll see a large amount of content being loaded on its hard drive. You can use HCSD cards capable of 8 gigs or more.. but more then likely new MMOs would take up more space then that. Actually you can get SDHC cards up to 32GB now so having one big enough for a MMO should be no problem. The main problem I would think for the WII as far as MMOs are concerned would be the funky controller.
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I actually got to meet Jack Emmert myself this past week. He gave me the scoop on some features of the game and later on that night I got to test it out myself. He told me that they are working out the agreement with Microsoft and assured that it will be on the 360 along with champions. MMORPG.com Staff Derek Gordon |
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Brenelael
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Originally posted by DerekGordon That is good to hear. Nice to have a little insider information. Thanks!
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Raltar
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Joined: 1/28/06
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Originally posted by Toquio3 To me, this is the biggest bullshit that was ever forced down console owners' throats. Lets imagine that I buy a computer from ASUS and then, aside from my normal internet provider fees, I also have to pay ASUS a fee to use the internet on that computer. Sounds ridiculous doesnt it? Console manufacturers should die in a fire, alongside everyone stupid enough to fall for their scam.
Agreed. If CO or STO comes out on any console I won't be playing it or any other games made by Cryptic ever again. Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
Originally posted by Brenelael That is good to hear. Nice to have a little insider information. Thanks!
Bren
What about the PS3? I don't see the Wii jumping into MMOs because that system is more family oriented. I can't knock them for going that route considering the fact they are blowing away the competition.I would think Sony and Microsoft would try and do everything they could to gain a piece of this market to try and close the gap with Nintendo. If you don't want to play the game, don't bore everyone by stating as much. Just don't play and move on because nobody cares to hear a soapbox. |
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How should i put this politely. Console players and games have a tendency to be uncomplicated shall we say, so this is potentially the most disappointing piece of info on sto so far for me It begs the question is this a pc game that has had a console port or has it been designed with cross platform status in mind? So is this piece of information irrelevant or have cryptic just opened the floodgates and let the idiots in so to speak? |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
"If I'm not back in 5 minutes... Just wait longer." -Ace Ventura |
Originally posted by ktanner3
What about the PS3? I don't see the Wii jumping into MMOs because that system is more family oriented. I can't knock them for going that route considering the fact they are blowing away the competition.I would think Sony and Microsoft would try and do everything they could to gain a piece of this market to try and close the gap with Nintendo. Well the major stumbling block for most developers as far as the PS3 is concerned is their programming code. The Xbox 360 uses a version of Visual C/C# so it's fairly easy for them to port a PC game to the 360. The PS3 uses a totally proprietary code which means in order for a developer to port to the PS3 the game almost has to be recoded from scratch. Some developers are more than willing to do this as it means more of a market share for their games but a lot just don't think there would be enough return for the amount of effort it would take to port a game to the PS3. Hopefully Sony will rectify this situation with their next generation of consoles. This is one of the major reasons I picked the 360 over the PS3. The ease of development for the 360 is one of the major reasons the MS console has such great vendor support.
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Originally posted by Karahandras
I hate to burst your bubble, but keeping it to PC only has not kept the idiots out of MMORPGs. This website is proof enough of that not to mention the regular group of "I pawned joo" that can be found in every game. I also laugh at this elitist notion that MMORPGS are any more "complicated" than a console game. Both are pretty simple to figure out and all one needs is time to master. If you don't want to play the game, don't bore everyone by stating as much. Just don't play and move on because nobody cares to hear a soapbox. |
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Originally posted by ktanner3
I hate to burst your bubble, but keeping it to PC only has not kept the idiots out of MMORPGs. This website is proof enough of that not to mention the regular group of "I pawned joo" that can be found in every game. I also laugh at this elitist notion that MMORPGS are any more "complicated" than a console game. Both are pretty simple to figure out and all one needs is time to master. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but it isn't exactly a big secret that console games are uncomplicated, nor is it that hard to figure out. Their success is down to the fact that they have uncomplicated gameplay and are marketed as such for people looking for such. Therefore any game aimed at a console or cross platform version is going to have to be the same sort 'dumbed down kiddie crap' as almost every other mmorpg currently available and not what I was hoping for from a star trek mmorpg hence my asking the questions that I did. As for the idea that any mmorpg is as easy to figure out as a console game maybe you should stop trying the games with difficulty levels aimed at 8yrs and try some of the few remaining more complex ones or point out to me which console rpg's are the equivalent of eve online? fyi mmorpgs are already making it onto console with ff and aoc, even swg was aimed at a console port which was probably one of the reasons it was dumbed down in the first place |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
"If I'm not back in 5 minutes... Just wait longer." -Ace Ventura |
Originally posted by Karahandras I hate to be the one to break this to you, but it isn't exactly a big secret that console games are uncomplicated, nor is it that hard to figure out. Their success is down to the fact that they have uncomplicated gameplay and are marketed as such for people looking for such. Therefore any game aimed at a console or cross platform version is going to have to be the same sort 'dumbed down kiddie crap' as almost every other mmorpg currently available and not what I was hoping for from a star trek mmorpg hence my asking the questions that I did. As for the idea that any mmorpg is as easy to figure out as a console game maybe you should stop trying the games with difficulty levels aimed at 8yrs and try some of the few remaining more complex ones or point out to me which console rpg's are the equivalent of eve online? fyi mmorpgs are already making it onto console with ff and aoc, even swg was aimed at a console port which was probably one of the reasons it was dumbed down in the first place Wow... This is about the biggest load of PC elitist bull shit I've seen shoveled on this forum in a while. Do you even own a current generation console? I seriously doubt it because if you did you would know just how silly you sound. Oh and Eve Online? Sure the advancement system is quite complex but the actual game play is so simplistic you can play the whole game with a 2 button mouse without ever laying a hand on your keyboard. Yeah... auto orbit target and blast... now that's complex game play!... LOL Eve Online would be about the easiest of all the MMOs to port to the Xbox or PS3. The actual in game controls could be very easily mapped to a controller.
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so this isnt an mmo? why is this game still in this site then shouldnt mmorpg remove this game from this site? |
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Originally posted by Brenelael I hate to be the one to break this to you, but it isn't exactly a big secret that console games are uncomplicated, nor is it that hard to figure out. Their success is down to the fact that they have uncomplicated gameplay and are marketed as such for people looking for such. Therefore any game aimed at a console or cross platform version is going to have to be the same sort 'dumbed down kiddie crap' as almost every other mmorpg currently available and not what I was hoping for from a star trek mmorpg hence my asking the questions that I did. As for the idea that any mmorpg is as easy to figure out as a console game maybe you should stop trying the games with difficulty levels aimed at 8yrs and try some of the few remaining more complex ones or point out to me which console rpg's are the equivalent of eve online? fyi mmorpgs are already making it onto console with ff and aoc, even swg was aimed at a console port which was probably one of the reasons it was dumbed down in the first place Wow... This is about the biggest load of PC elitist bull shit I've seen shoveled on this forum in a while. Do you even own a current generation console? I seriously doubt it because if you did you would know just how silly you sound. Oh and Eve Online? Sure the advancement system is quite complex but the actual game play is so simplistic you can play the whole game with a 2 button mouse without ever laying a hand on your keyboard. Yeah... auto orbit target and blast... now that's complex game play!... LOL Eve Online would be about the easiest of all the MMOs to port to the Xbox or PS3. The actual in game controls could be very easily mapped to a controller.
Bren
Lets see, can you figure out from my posts whether or not I own a console????? I would have thought it was blindingly obvious that I don't. You do understand that not everyone on the planet has to own a console? People are allowed not to like the games being made for them. People are allowed to have a different opinion from yours. And maybe you could stop shoving your 'console elitist bull shit on this forum'? Do i own a couple of console to pc ports - yes have i played console games on friends consoles - yes Have i looked up the charts to see what sells on each platform - yes, have you? It isn't elitist to say that sell on consoles are uncomplicated it's just the way it is. If you have a problem with this i suggest you take it up with whomever is marketing said consoles and games. May I also suggest you look up the word elitist and see who it applies to here. As for eve online, I'm pretty certain the complex skill system was one of the reasons I used it as an example. I also notice you didn't bother with any console equivalents, so am I right in saying they don't exist? No I'm not, they just don't sell very well. If I look at the current charts the only game even close that I see is elder scrolls and oh, wait, isn't that a pc game given a console port? You think there may be a reason here as to why ccp hasn't tried to port eve onto console? Since my post seems to have been too subtle for you to understand or more likely you didn't bother reading it in the first place, let me spell this out as uncomplicated as i can : I couldn't give a rats arse what format you play this game on I want to know what game they are making I am not interested in another generic kids mmorpg and I am allowed not to be!
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Originally posted by ktanner3
This is exactly why I didn't buy an Xbox. I KNEW that if I chose it I would have to deal with Microsoft trying to fleece me for every little thing. It's bad enough I have to pay money every month just play a game. I'll be damned if I am forced to pay an additional charge for the online service. There are other reasons not to buy a 360 (had one and sold it) but your reason is valid. Guess i will hold off buying a PS3 until i see where they stand on MMO's. It has to be true, i have internet links. |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
"If I'm not back in 5 minutes... Just wait longer." -Ace Ventura |
Originally posted by Karahandras Wow... This is about the biggest load of PC elitist bull shit I've seen shoveled on this forum in a while. Do you even own a current generation console? I seriously doubt it because if you did you would know just how silly you sound. Oh and Eve Online? Sure the advancement system is quite complex but the actual game play is so simplistic you can play the whole game with a 2 button mouse without ever laying a hand on your keyboard. Yeah... auto orbit target and blast... now that's complex game play!... LOL Eve Online would be about the easiest of all the MMOs to port to the Xbox or PS3. The actual in game controls could be very easily mapped to a controller.
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Lets see, can you figure out from my posts whether or not I own a console????? I would have thought it was blindingly obvious that I don't. You do understand that not everyone on the planet has to own a console? People are allowed not to like the games being made for them. People are allowed to have a different opinion from yours. And maybe you could stop shoving your 'console elitist bull shit on this forum'? Do i own a couple of console to pc ports - yes have i played console games on friends consoles - yes Have i looked up the charts to see what sells on each platform - yes, have you? It isn't elitist to say that sell on consoles are uncomplicated it's just the way it is. If you have a problem with this i suggest you take it up with whomever is marketing said consoles and games. May I also suggest you look up the word elitist and see who it applies to here. As for eve online, I'm pretty certain the complex skill system was one of the reasons I used it as an example. I also notice you didn't bother with any console equivalents, so am I right in saying they don't exist? No I'm not, they just don't sell very well. If I look at the current charts the only game even close that I see is elder scrolls and oh, wait, isn't that a pc game given a console port? You think there may be a reason here as to why ccp hasn't tried to port eve onto console? Since my post seems to have been too subtle for you to understand or more likely you didn't bother reading it in the first place, let me spell this out as uncomplicated as i can : I couldn't give a rats arse what format you play this game on I want to know what game they are making I am not interested in another generic kids mmorpg and I am allowed not to be!
No, the difference is that I own a PC(obviously or I wouldn't be posting here) and I play games on it. I love my PC and never dis it as a gaming platform. I also own an Xbox 360 and love that as well. The games I play on my 360 are just as complex as any PC game including EVE. Mass Effect, Oblivion and Fallout 3 just to name a few are all games that were ported to the 360 from the PC and are the exact same game on the 360 as they are on the PC(I actually own both versions of all 3 and have played them extensively on both platforms). These all were written for the PC first and than ported to the console. None of these great games were dumbed down even a little bit nor would they have to be as the current generation of consoles are more than capable of handling any PC game as a direct port. EVE could very easily be ported to the consoles if they wanted to.
You on the other hand only own a PC. You claim to have played console games "at a friends house" but we've all heard that one a million times from the PC elitist crowd. You sit here and tell us all how console games are for the "kiddies" and that is the poster phrase for PC elitism. I'm definitely not a console elitist as I freely admit I play on and love both PC and Consoles. You on the other hand sit here and dis consoles with no or at least very limited knowledge of what you speak. You are the very definition of PC elitism.
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Originally posted by Brenelael Wow... This is about the biggest load of PC elitist bull shit I've seen shoveled on this forum in a while. Do you even own a current generation console? I seriously doubt it because if you did you would know just how silly you sound. Oh and Eve Online? Sure the advancement system is quite complex but the actual game play is so simplistic you can play the whole game with a 2 button mouse without ever laying a hand on your keyboard. Yeah... auto orbit target and blast... now that's complex game play!... LOL Eve Online would be about the easiest of all the MMOs to port to the Xbox or PS3. The actual in game controls could be very easily mapped to a controller.
Bren
Once he started mentioning EVE I stopped right there, because if that game is his idea of what we need then there will never be any middle ground for us to come to. And if he likes EVE so much, then why not stay playing EVE ? What need is there to go around looking for other games to play? That's what I love about naysayers around here. They boast how great their games are yet they spend most of their time in other gaming forums whining. If you don't want to play the game, don't bore everyone by stating as much. Just don't play and move on because nobody cares to hear a soapbox. |
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Well Ive own every console game (atari and beyond) except 360 and wii. And console games are for kids and adults who want simple games. Sorry thats just how it is. Only time I play my ps3 is if I want a quick game to play then I go to blockbuster rent a game and beat it in 3 days if its good. 1 day if its a common console game.
Sorry since the days of atari consoles have always been a quick easy gaming experience. Why do you think WII is dominating everything. Cause microsoft and sony forgot what consoles are for. They got greedy trying to dominate everything. I always laugh when I go to walmart or Gamestop and the wii demos have a few people around it while the ps3 and xbox are empty. And I always have to wait in line so some kid and his mom buy a wii game. Only time I hear someone talk about ps3 or 360 is sports games everything else is wii. And for some reason girls are into the wii, 90% in my job have one and talk about the work out games. Maybe its different for your city but here its the WII. Why do you think we IT/IS guys have a job. The common person is lazy and simple minded. Reality isnt like Star Trek. |
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So back to the topic at hand, what details have been released about the Xbox360/mmo fees? When can we expect Champions on the 360? |
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