Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

I dont like Aion due to many limitations that it has right now. When it opens up more then we shall see. I love DAoC EVE and hopefully FE so your blanket statement is fodder.

I don't like Aion, but i do like mmos. Some games don't appeal to some people, but I won't hate on people who do like the ones I don't.

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Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by glofish
 
 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.
Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.
There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    
 

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Not sure if this thread was meant to be serious, but if so, stupid assumptions and simplistic views ftl.  
 

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A lot of people are burnt out on the mmo genre but still keep looking for a mmo to fit their niche and give them a fix.
 

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I don't believe myself to be burnt out, but I'm not willing to play a game I view as shit, just to have something to play.  They have a name for those types of people, and support groups as well...

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Yeah your not burnt out.
And yet you're here.
 

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Are you burnt out as well?  Considering you're posting in Aion threads while the OB is still going.  Or just bored with it already?

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Between my wife, kids and cooking dinner I ran upon this thread and your rude responses.

Keep demeaning people though, I am sure that will win everyone's respect.

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by glofish

 

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.
Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

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Not sure if this thread was meant to be serious, but if so, stupid assumptions and simplistic views ftl.  

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A lot of people are burnt out on the mmo genre but still keep looking for a mmo to fit their niche and give them a fix.

 

I don't believe myself to be burnt out, but I'm not willing to play a game I view as shit, just to have something to play.  They have a name for those types of people, and support groups as well...

true i agre,i was in that support group for 3 years they helped get over it ,the support group is wow (grin)

hey guys, too busy arguing? try the S.U.N Online, it's a great game and mind you it's F2P.. just try it, my IGN is AceRage.

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by glofish
 
 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.
Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.
There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    
 

 

 

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Not sure if this thread was meant to be serious, but if so, stupid assumptions and simplistic views ftl.  
 

 

 

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A lot of people are burnt out on the mmo genre but still keep looking for a mmo to fit their niche and give them a fix.
 

 

 

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I don't believe myself to be burnt out, but I'm not willing to play a game I view as shit, just to have something to play.  They have a name for those types of people, and support groups as well...

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Yeah your not burnt out.
And yet you're here.
 

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Are you burnt out as well?  Considering you're posting in Aion threads while the OB is still going.  Or just bored with it already?

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Between my wife, kids and cooking dinner I ran upon this thread and your rude responses.

Keep demeaning people though, I am sure that will win everyone's respect.

 

 

Demeaning by disagreeing with blanket statements?  Fair enough.  Wasn't aware a forum discussion was a popularity contest.  My fault for thinking I could have a rational discussion on a gaming forum. 

 for eben its eve for me its eq2

Originally posted by robdog696

There IS a magic formula to if you do or don't like Aion. If you sleep with WoW every night but dream about games with bigger features, then you like Aion.

I cannot stand WoW.  I only ever played the game because a bunch of my guild from DAoC wanted to play.  I disliked every minute of that game.

I find Aion absolutely fantastic.  I have played the Chinese version and experienced rifts and Abyss gameplay on a live server (which I will add is very different then in beta). 

I have not had so much fun in an MMO game since Shadowbane.

On the other side one of my best friends has been playing WoW since it was released and is burnt out, but continues to play because he doesn't care for any of the other MMO games on the market right now.

He tried Aion and did not like it at all.

Just wanted to point out that Aion is a very different game than WoW and just because someone doesn't like WoW doesn't mean they'll dislike Aion and vice versa; but nice attempt trying to generalize millions of people's personal gaming preferences.

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by robdog696

There IS a magic formula to if you do or don't like Aion. If you sleep with WoW every night but dream about games with bigger features, then you like Aion.

 

I cannot stand WoW.  I only ever played the game because a bunch of my guild from DAoC wanted to play.  I disliked every minute of that game.

I find Aion absolutely fantastic.  I have played the Chinese version and experienced rifts and Abyss gameplay on a live server (which I will add is very different then in beta). 

I have not had so much fun in an MMO game since Shadowbane.

On the other side one of my best friends has been playing WoW since it was released and is burnt out, but continues to play because he doesn't care for any of the other MMO games on the market right now.

He tried Aion and did not like it at all.

Just wanted to point out that Aion is a very different game than WoW and just because someone doesn't like WoW doesn't mean they'll dislike Aion and vice versa; but nice attempt trying to generalize millions of people's personal gaming preferences,

Took you long enough to get to the party! Rofl

This man speak the truth. Also, I could never get into Shadowbane :< It looked like a nifty game though and it sucks that they finally took the server down.

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by robdog696

There IS a magic formula to if you do or don't like Aion. If you sleep with WoW every night but dream about games with bigger features, then you like Aion.

 

I cannot stand WoW.  I only ever played the game because a bunch of my guild from DAoC wanted to play.  I disliked every minute of that game.

I find Aion absolutely fantastic.  I have played the Chinese version and experienced rifts and Abyss gameplay on a live server (which I will add is very different then in beta). 

I have not had so much fun in an MMO game since Shadowbane.

On the other side one of my best friends has been playing WoW since it was released and is burnt out, but continues to play because he doesn't care for any of the other MMO games on the market right now.

He tried Aion and did not like it at all.

Just wanted to point out that Aion is a very different game than WoW and just because someone doesn't like WoW doesn't mean they'll dislike Aion and vice versa; but nice attempt trying to generalize millions of people's personal gaming preferences.

My guesses, based on what you wrote:

1. You played WoW on a PvE server.

2. Because you were playing with and apparantly for the company of your friends you chose to devote more of your time to attaining raid gear than arena gear.

3. You don't like any flavors of M&Ms unless everyone else hates them all too.  Then you like them ALL.

4. You will have just as much fun playing Aion as you would have had telling your friends to fly a kite and rolling on a PvP server instead.

What a silly statement, OP. Reminds me of that Barret or Barnet guy from WAR saying that if WAR failed, it would be the whole MMO genre failing LOL.

Originally posted by robdog696

My guesses, based on what you wrote:

I find it amusing that you have this generalized idea about gamers.  I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

1. You played WoW on a PvE server.

PvP, sorry.

2. Because you were playing with and apparantly for the company of your friends you chose to devote more of your time to attaining raid gear than arena gear.

I quit the day after I hit level 60 (the cap at the time).  I just couldn't take the game any more and the grind for gear that started at level 60 did not appeal to me in any way.

I don't like to raid.  I don't care at all about having the best gear.

PvP was still horrible unbalanced at this time and was a joke to me compared to decent PvP games I had played (mainly comparing it to DAoC).

Arenas?  Not my taste.  I like my PvP to be at least a little unexpected and flow as part of the game (which is why I played on a PvP server).  Like I said earlier I could care less about gear.  PvP is about the competition for me not about the quest for shiny items.

3. You don't like any flavors of M&Ms unless everyone else hates them all too.  Then you like them ALL.

I don't eat candy and I'm not sure what you're trying to say here exactly.  Aion already has at least 1 million subscribers and it is going to be a very big western game.  So if you are trying to say that I only like something when it's unpopular, well, that's just factually false.

Or maybe you were trying to say that I don't like something if it IS popular?  Which is also false because Aion is a popular game already but I still like it.

See, I like or dislike a game based on the actual game, not how other people feel about the game.

4. You will have just as much fun playing Aion as you would have had telling your friends to fly a kite and rolling on a PvP server instead.

Well since I played on a PvP server #4 has no merit.  But I will say that I like to play a PvP game that actually has some point behind the combat.  Aion is very similar to DAoC in this regard.  WoW's PvP has no point.  Except to acquire gear.

 I like Aion because it reminds me of DAoC.  Or what DAoC 2 could have been.

Trying to pigeon hole me into some type of WoWer who would have loved WoW if only he PvPed isn't going to work, sorry.

Aion in no way reminds me of the time I spent in WoW.  This is simply my opinion.  Trying to prove that wrong is just silly.

Originally posted by logangregor

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Originally posted by Eben

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Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.
Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    
 

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Not sure if this thread was meant to be serious, but if so, stupid assumptions and simplistic views ftl.

Someone who is obviously nothing but a pedantic fanboy seeking to rubber-stamp reasons why someone doesn't like his current FOTM game, and nothing I say will satisfy you, but I'll bite; 

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Whats with the name calling?

I'm not entirely sure the poster actually believes that "absolutely ANYONE who doesn't like AION is just burnt out on MMOs".

A lot of people are burnt out on the mmo genre but still keep looking for one to fit their niche and give them a fix.

Yes, be careful, you may get reported, as that seems to be the in thing for some at this site. Apparently, freedom of speech has no place here.
 

all im going to say is that i couldnt stand wow. pvp is absolutely meaningless in that game, any game where there is meaning i will like. so aion to me is great i can pvp all i want to and have it matter.  and dont say o0o u cant all you want cuz u cant pvp from lvl 1. i say to u... there is no point to pvp at lvl 1 i use 1 skill over and over and over and over again. thats great fun.

Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

Or maybe the latest MMOs are all bad? Hm... ok the result is pretty much the same, I just deny to accept THIS is the best what is possible to make. Its just all MMOs of the last 2 years were variations of lame.

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by robdog696

My guesses, based on what you wrote:

I find it amusing that you have this generalized idea about gamers.  I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

1. You played WoW on a PvE server.

PvP, sorry.

2. Because you were playing with and apparantly for the company of your friends you chose to devote more of your time to attaining raid gear than arena gear.

I quit the day after I hit level 60 (the cap at the time).  I just couldn't take the game any more and the grind for gear that started at level 60 did not appeal to me in any way.

I don't like to raid.  I don't care at all about having the best gear.

PvP was still horrible unbalanced at this time and was a joke to me compared to decent PvP games I had played (mainly comparing it to DAoC).

Arenas?  Not my taste.  I like my PvP to be at least a little unexpected and flow as part of the game (which is why I played on a PvP server).  Like I said earlier I could care less about gear.  PvP is about the competition for me not about the quest for shiny items.

3. You don't like any flavors of M&Ms unless everyone else hates them all too.  Then you like them ALL.

I don't eat candy and I'm not sure what you're trying to say here exactly.  Aion already has at least 1 million subscribers and it is going to be a very big western game.  So if you are trying to say that I only like something when it's unpopular, well, that's just factually false.

Or maybe you were trying to say that I don't like something if it IS popular?  Which is also false because Aion is a popular game already but I still like it.

See, I like or dislike a game based on the actual game, not how other people feel about the game.

4. You will have just as much fun playing Aion as you would have had telling your friends to fly a kite and rolling on a PvP server instead.

Well since I played on a PvP server #4 has no merit.  But I will say that I like to play a PvP game that actually has some point behind the combat.  Aion is very similar to DAoC in this regard.  WoW's PvP has no point.  Except to acquire gear.

 I like Aion because it reminds me of DAoC.  Or what DAoC 2 could have been.

Trying to pigeon hole me into some type of WoWer who would have loved WoW if only he PvPed isn't going to work, sorry.

Aion in no way reminds me of the time I spent in WoW.  This is simply my opinion.  Trying to prove that wrong is just silly.

 

Basically, I was right about every point except #1.

Unless what you're saying is that you like green M&M's, in which case I like red ones.

UNLESS you're saying you like red ones, at which time I would choose yellow.

Either way, I just don't like M&M's...

And how can you say you wouldn't have liked WoW PvP if you had tried it?  That's even sillier!

Aion has a new endgame, although not entirely different from WoW's PvP.  If and when WoW comes out with an expansion including a zone for mass PvP battles where you can PvP while riding your mount, Aion will whither and die.  However, that's not the point.  The point is that leveling in Aion is JUST like levelling in WoW.  The endgame, granted, is not.  So why not just give us the endgame without the need to complete a hundred kill x number of zombies, go click on x npc, or go click on x harvestable object quests first?

I'm glad you like Aion!  Truly, I am!  The point I'm making here (with regards to your post, specifically) is that you are refusing to have your Aion experience be "generalized" with your WoW experience.  When the fact of the matter is, you obviously did not experience the part of WoW AT ALL that (what is suppossedly new about) Aion most closely resembles.

Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

Well let's see.  I don't like Aion.  However, I'm loving Fallen Earth, and have a long-standing affinity for EVE.

I guess that would make your post.....completely wrong! 

Maybe you were joking, in which case, good one, because I did cackle at the sheer absurdity.

Originally posted by glofish

Originally posted by drbaltazar

exaclty ,it feel soulless,like ncsoft kept it for an expension or whatever their plan is for pvp lol

 

Games don't have souls. What you put in is what you are getting back. The game may not motivate you to participate but then say that. Blaming it for something that you don't do seems misplaced.

Soul is just a fancy word of saying "To have meaning." 

Sure a game can have a soul.  To me it comes down to how much a company loves their game and how much effort they put into their game.  World of Warcraft has a very strong art style in the game along with great animations for their characters.  The music is top notch, orchestrated.  Each piece of music fits into the location you are at.  To me WoW has soul due to how much effort and love has been poured into the game to have it see the light of day.  The same can be said about any Blizzard game actually.  Some companies make games that just 'feel' right, to me that's how a game has soul. 

It's not so much what you put into it.  If the game doesn't feel right, why should you continue to play it?  Aion, to me, didn't feel right.  The art style was a bit confusing at times, the land layout was not that impressive and the animations were not really convincing.  The music succeeded half of the time, depending where you were.  It almost felt like NCSoft tried to just get the game out there and have it sell on just it's looks rather than how it plays or how it 'feels.' 

Hope that makes some sense.

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by Eben

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Originally posted by glofish

 

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.
Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

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Not sure if this thread was meant to be serious, but if so, stupid assumptions and simplistic views ftl.  

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A lot of people are burnt out on the mmo genre but still keep looking for a mmo to fit their niche and give them a fix.

 

I don't believe myself to be burnt out, but I'm not willing to play a game I view as shit, just to have something to play.  They have a name for those types of people, and support groups as well...

As I am sure the names of "those types pf people," and those "support groups as well..." are things you are most painfully aware of...
 

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by glofish

Originally posted by Eben 

Don't know why I'm bothering in attempting to rationalize this to someone who is obviously nothing but a pedantic fanboy seeking to rubber-stamp reasons why someone doesn't like his current FOTM game, and nothing I say will satisfy you, but I'll bite;

By 'soul', I mean Aion, at no point, strikes me as being a living, breathing world, nor does it seem as though the devs seek to make my character a part of that world.  It mostly reminds me of fluff/filler that is designed to funnel me into the Abyss. 

 

What part of WoW strikes you as a living breathing world ... today? Not a single one.

Yet when I first played it I thought it was a real and magical world. I thought my actions made a difference, I thought my journey mattered at all. Today I know better. Thus I think you and many others are looking for a feeling that could only be experienced once in your life.

Had you played Aion first then  WoW would you really believe that finding Mankrik's wife actually matters?

So if the world does not seem living and breathing to you I'll stick with my original assessment - there is no MMO that would feel like so to you today!

Sure there is, it's called EVE.  I feel like the EVE devs care very much about what they've created, which is the point I'm trying to make.

You're misunderstanding.  Aion feels like a product.  It feels like the devs went into it, under the mindset that they were making a disposable product, and nothing more.  And it felt like that the first minutes after I'd logged in the very first time in Aion.  Not sure why you toss WoW into this, but that's fine, since I can use it as an example;  I highly doubt I'd see a hidden monument in a secluded area of Aion, to honor a friend of a dev that had passed away.  I can't see any of the Aion devs caring enough about Aion to do something like that, or thinking that highly of the world they've created.  

so only a wow dev is capable of such a level of care and compassion for a friend ?  WTF are you talking about dude ?  do you personally know any of the AION devs to make such an ASSumption of something they may or may not do in a similar situation ?   oh and FYI these are all rhetorical questions -- my point is made, kid.

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by robdog696

My guesses, based on what you wrote:

I find it amusing that you have this generalized idea about gamers.  I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

1. You played WoW on a PvE server.

PvP, sorry.

2. Because you were playing with and apparantly for the company of your friends you chose to devote more of your time to attaining raid gear than arena gear.

I quit the day after I hit level 60 (the cap at the time).  I just couldn't take the game any more and the grind for gear that started at level 60 did not appeal to me in any way.

I don't like to raid.  I don't care at all about having the best gear.

PvP was still horrible unbalanced at this time and was a joke to me compared to decent PvP games I had played (mainly comparing it to DAoC).

Arenas?  Not my taste.  I like my PvP to be at least a little unexpected and flow as part of the game (which is why I played on a PvP server).  Like I said earlier I could care less about gear.  PvP is about the competition for me not about the quest for shiny items.

3. You don't like any flavors of M&Ms unless everyone else hates them all too.  Then you like them ALL.

I don't eat candy and I'm not sure what you're trying to say here exactly.  Aion already has at least 1 million subscribers and it is going to be a very big western game.  So if you are trying to say that I only like something when it's unpopular, well, that's just factually false.

Or maybe you were trying to say that I don't like something if it IS popular?  Which is also false because Aion is a popular game already but I still like it.

See, I like or dislike a game based on the actual game, not how other people feel about the game.

4. You will have just as much fun playing Aion as you would have had telling your friends to fly a kite and rolling on a PvP server instead.

Well since I played on a PvP server #4 has no merit.  But I will say that I like to play a PvP game that actually has some point behind the combat.  Aion is very similar to DAoC in this regard.  WoW's PvP has no point.  Except to acquire gear.

 I like Aion because it reminds me of DAoC.  Or what DAoC 2 could have been.

Trying to pigeon hole me into some type of WoWer who would have loved WoW if only he PvPed isn't going to work, sorry.

Aion in no way reminds me of the time I spent in WoW.  This is simply my opinion.  Trying to prove that wrong is just silly.

 

pretty much all I did in wow was pvp -- and that game was still one of the worst MMOs I have ever played -- first MMO I tried was UO.  first MMO I liked was EQ -- '99. 
 

random guy:Chocolate cake with strawberry filling is the greatest cake EVER!!!

random guy2: NO IT"S NOT ! Its just the same thing as a chocolate cake with a twist chocolate cake is still better!!!

random guy 3: YOUR ALL WRONG ITS ALL ABOUT PIE!!!

that's what all the Aion threads are starting to look like.

I was kind of looking towards the flying thing, but its so restrictive it feels like a gimmick. Its like theyve given me a shiny new toy, but then wont let me play with it. The rest of the game felt like just another generic cookie-cutter mmo, and though the graphics were above par the artstyle is kinda meh.

Originally posted by robdog696

 

And how can you say you wouldn't have liked WoW PvP if you had tried it?  That's even sillier!

Of course I PvPed in WoW.  How else would I have known I didn't like it?

Aion has a new endgame, although not entirely different from WoW's PvP.  If and when WoW comes out with an expansion including a zone for mass PvP battles where you can PvP while riding your mount, Aion will whither and die.  However, that's not the point. 

I agree, that is not the point considering I didn't like WoW at all, not just the end game.

The point is that leveling in Aion is JUST like levelling in WoW. 

See, this is where I strongly disagree.  I absolutely hated leveling a character in WoW.  It was very boring to me.  Aion, on the other hand, is very fun for me.  The combat is top notch in my opinion.  Much more fun than WoW.

The endgame, granted, is not.  So why not just give us the endgame without the need to complete a hundred kill x number of zombies, go click on x npc, or go click on x harvestable object quests first?

Well for 1, I don't mind the leveling in Aion, like I said above.

And 2, it's about the journey as much as the destination.  What you just stated is like saying what's the point in going through a Final Fantasy game?  Why can't the game just put me at the final boss and let me beat it.

Without the journey there's no sense of advancement or accomplishment.  In other word, no point. 

I'm glad you like Aion!  Truly, I am!  The point I'm making here (with regards to your post, specifically) is that you are refusing to have your Aion experience be "generalized" with your WoW experience.  When the fact of the matter is, you obviously did not experience the part of WoW AT ALL that (what is suppossedly new about) Aion most closely resembles.

I'm guessing you're talking about open world PvP or Arenas?  I experienced both in WoW and they were both laughable for me.

Also I'm not refusing to have my Aion experienced generalized with my WoW experience.  What I was pointing out from my original reply to your post is that they are completely different experiences for me and, I know, many others.

Anyway, this is the last I'll say about this.  Both your original post and the OP are of the same ilk.  Trying to place everyone that plays games into a nice little box.  Real life just doesn't work like that.

Originally posted by kamerak

random guy:Chocolate cake with strawberry filling is the greatest cake EVER!!!

random guy2: NO IT"S NOT ! Its just the same thing as a chocolate cake with a twist chocolate cake is still better!!!

random guy 3: YOUR ALL WRONG ITS ALL ABOUT PIE!!!

 

that's what all the Aion threads are starting to look like.

 

what it looks like to me -- is people who dont like AION and wont be playing AION are coming to the AION forums to stir the pot -- says alot about the pull whatever games they are playing has over them.  and before the clowns say something stupid, I am here, on the AION forums, because I will be buying the game 9/22.  I have a vested interest in the game and therefore visit the forums.  You are here, because, well, whatever game your playing sucks and you have nothing better to do with your time.
 

Enjoy !!