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Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by Zippy

The OP is just another example of why PvP games will never succeed in the western market.  The majority of players who are interested in these games are simply 18-25 year old children with no patience.  They are not game players but rather they spend more time hyping and trashing games on message boards than actually playing them.  They have no patience or attention span so they want everything simple and dumbed down for them.  They want everything handed to them and will scram against having to put in any effort.  They need constant excitement and eye candy and always prefer flash over any substance.  They are the first to hype games and the first to leave when they are bored.  They unwittingly do their best to destroy MMOs for real gamers.  Aion's success will be measured in the Asian markets not the fickle western market.

 

Never thought someone would piss me off in a random post aimed at a OP I highly disagree with, but it's pretty rude to generalize 18-25 year olds as children with no patience... By your defenition, we have a bunch of kiddies going to get shot in wars. That tune doesn't exactly ring very well.

No offense to you but I would have a very hard time calling anyone under 30-35 an adult.  They might be able legally enter into contracts, drive and be killed but that does make them mature adults capable of controlling their emotions, their desires for attention, having anything close to an attention span or patience  or able to develop a sense of empathy for others.  I don't see any difference in maturity between most 15 and 25 year olds except that the 25 year old is generally louder and more obnoxious with a greater need to garner attention for himself.  Physically males brains do not mature until around age 25 where they can develop empathy.  With influences from popular culture and the general idiocy that is transmitted to these youngsters through television and the internet their path to maturity and some sort of rational thinking is likely greatly slowed. In todays culture actually having them develop any sort of empathy or understanding of anyone but themselves may not happen until they die.  I don't mean to offend as its not their fault.  Growing up and maturing is a process that takes time and something that is very hard to achieve in the environment they live in.  PvP kiddies, like the OP,  and those that spend most of their time hyping and eventually flaming games on the internet, are the worst of these children.  Completely lacking in patience and in the ability to think outside their immediate plane of existence coupled with a huge need to call attention to themselves.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Alivada

Basically as a TR sub I get this game for free and holy christ it's so boring I nearly died getting to level 2. The combat just was missing something (it just didn't feel smooth or 'right'). The quests are more generic than a green lotus and there is little for me to even consider this an average game , with only the graphics better than a F2P asian grinder what does this offer to warrant a £9 a month subscribtion fee?

 

Its indeed a terrible grind to level 2

I lol irl

Originally posted by seniorfrito

  And speaking of Lore, what the hell?  I'm sorry is there some book I'm supposed to have read because apparently I'm the only one that doesn't understand the "lore".

What 'lore' exists is basically there to explain why you can't really fly when you want to.  And it's around on the official site, but frankly not even worth seeking out due to it's generic nature.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Alivada

Basically as a TR sub I get this game for free and holy christ it's so boring I nearly died getting to level 2. The combat just was missing something (it just didn't feel smooth or 'right'). The quests are more generic than a green lotus and there is little for me to even consider this an average game , with only the graphics better than a F2P asian grinder what does this offer to warrant a £9 a month subscribtion fee?

 

Its indeed a terrible grind to level 2

LOL...yeah that's for sure.  My favorite char is the Assassin and the combat with the assassin is great.  I also got a Cleric to lvl 24 in CB, but I found them to be boring.  But with assassins (got mine to lvl 17)  the combat is fast and furious and if you move around (in and out./side to side) you can take less damage and do more damage. I like the game...no it's not perfect, but for me it's fun and that's what counts. 

Originally posted by seniorfrito

So I have started to see what many people have been saying about this game.  Just recently, "This Game Sucks" and "Aion=Migets Online".  It's just sad really, I got sucked in by the graphics.  But, there's absolutely nothing special about this game.  I've now tried every class, gotten each to at least level 10.  And not one of them seemed appealing at that point.  It's the quests.  It's the combat.  They're completely second rate.  Not engaging or immersive.  Not only that, but the community isn't great either.  Granted I've seen worse people, but making suggestions to those lore craving lunatics is not a smart choice.  And speaking of Lore, what the hell?  I'm sorry is there some book I'm supposed to have read because apparently I'm the only one that doesn't understand the "lore".  Anyway rant is over, that's about as much time as I'm going to spend dissing this game.

Midgets online...now theres a concept.

Originally posted by seniorfrito

I've now tried every class, gotten each to at least level 10. 

lol. Play the game before you decide you dislike it. Getting to level 10~ isn't the game.

/thread

Originally posted by vive

Lol - read the title and I have to say I have the same thought.

But... I did pre-order even after extensive research.  It looked like a good alternative.. to keep me busy I guess.  Now.. I'm not sure if I'll even play :-/

Same here.

I ordered the CE from NCSoft.  I submitted a ticket requesting a refund which they have already done.

I saw that Aion was being made by NCsoft when it was first announced. That was the grand total of my interest in Aion.

I honestly know nothing about the game, never played/seen it, anything.

NCsoft has an F with the BBB for shady practices.

I realized in Beta tonight that if anything sucks about this game, it's the community.

I didn't realize you could be as dumb as some of the people in Aion and still work a computer. Chat is overrun with people asking how to do the starter quests, which are simple enough, but just in case you can't get it, the quest log has hyperlinks that show you on the map where you're going. On top of that, I've seen some of the most ignorant statements coming out of people.

Each new MMO seems to have a dumber audience. Can we go back to the days where anything RPG was a niche market for nerds?

Originally posted by grndzro

I saw that Aion was being made by NCsoft when it was first announced. That was the grand total of my interest in Aion.

I honestly know nothing about the game, never played/seen it, anything.

NCsoft has an F with the BBB for shady practices.

I'd never thought of looking at BBB for MMOs before.

For gee whiz info:

NCSoft: Grade - F, 72 complaints, not BBB accredited

Blizzard: Grade - B, 2193 complaints, BBB accredited

Mythic: Grade - F, 16 complaints, not BBB accredited

Funcom: Grade - A, 97 complaints, not BBB accredited

Turbine: Grade - A, 27 complaints, not BBB accredited

Yeah i know. Halfway through my third CB is when it happened to me. I can pick up my preorder or not as i ordered  from a brick and mortar Best Buy. Just told my grandsons tonight if they want it they can have my receipt and pick it up on the 22nd.

I leveled 3 toons to level 10 in the WoW beta. The quests, the combat--they were completely second rate. Not engaging or immersive. Not only that, but the community was horrible. Granted I've seen worse people, but making suggestions to those barrens' lunatics was not a smart choice. It doesn't matter to me that the beta players will be different than the paying players--I'm too dumb to see the difference anyway. And speaking of Lore, what the hell? I'm sorry if people find killing bandits to get their bandanas interesting, or thumping sleeping orcs on their heads with a club. Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't read quest text, but doing these tasks seemed pointless. My rant is over, I just felt like venting my negative feelings after having experienced 10% of the game's tutorial content. I'll probably come back though a few more times to add uninformed, negative opinions to other threads about a game I don't even play. Anyway, I'm burned out on MMOs and need a break. Anyone have a cheap Wii remote I can buy?

So, if you got your refund, what's the point of complaining?  Again, either you play or you don't play.  No one really cares that much about you.  Look all crappy F2P MMO, lot of people are still playing, even AOC and War still have plenty of players playing, Even L2 with gold farmers and endless grinding still have people playing. 

Personally, I think Aion will give me 6 months to a year of fun which that's enough for me.  Not sure what people complaining about.  It is just A GAME.  Even you pre order, you DO NOT HAVE TO go to pick it up.  Not the END OF THE WORLD. People

Originally posted by Boardwalker

I leveled 3 toons to level 10 in the WoW beta. The quests, the combat--they were completely second rate. Not engaging or immersive. Not only that, but the community was horrible. Granted I've seen worse people, but making suggestions to those barrens' lunatics was not a smart choice. It doesn't matter to me that the beta players will be different than the paying players--I'm too dumb to see the difference anyway. And speaking of Lore, what the hell? I'm sorry if people find killing bandits to get their bandanas interesting, or thumping sleeping orcs on their heads with a club. Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't read quest text, but doing these tasks seemed pointless. My rant is over, I just felt like venting my negative feelings after having experienced 10% of the game's tutorial content. I'll probably come back though a few more times to add uninformed, negative opinions to other threads about a game I don't even play. Anyway, I'm burned out on MMOs and need a break. Anyone have a cheap Wii remote I can buy?

What does WoW beta have to do with Aion beta?

Originally posted by skeaser

I realized in Beta tonight that if anything sucks about this game, it's the community.

I didn't realize you could be as dumb as some of the people in Aion and still work a computer. Chat is overrun with people asking how to do the starter quests, which are simple enough, but just in case you can't get it, the quest log has hyperlinks that show you on the map where you're going. On top of that, I've seen some of the most ignorant statements coming out of people.

Each new MMO seems to have a dumber audience. Can we go back to the days where anything RPG was a niche market for nerds?

I won't deny that the community isn't great right now, but it's open beta, so it isn't necessarily indicative of the community once everyone on there is a paying customer.

I've found the community in the open beta to be friendlier than the community in the game I currently subscribed to, though (AoC). There are some real characters on there.

Originally posted by Cacolaco

Originally posted by skeaser

I realized in Beta tonight that if anything sucks about this game, it's the community.

I didn't realize you could be as dumb as some of the people in Aion and still work a computer. Chat is overrun with people asking how to do the starter quests, which are simple enough, but just in case you can't get it, the quest log has hyperlinks that show you on the map where you're going. On top of that, I've seen some of the most ignorant statements coming out of people.

Each new MMO seems to have a dumber audience. Can we go back to the days where anything RPG was a niche market for nerds?

 

I won't deny that the community isn't great right now, but it's open beta, so it isn't necessarily indicative of the community once everyone on there is a paying customer.

I've found the community in the open beta to be friendlier than the community in the game I currently subscribed to, though (AoC). There are some real characters on there.

Speaking of Aion chat, why can't you use channels until level 5? I've seen people asking good questions in chat that I have to answer by tell because I can't respond publicly. I still get the message across, but anyone wondering the same thing is left out.

Originally posted by skeaser

 Speaking of Aion chat, why can't you use channels until level 5? I've seen people asking good questions in chat that I have to answer by tell because I can't respond publicly. I still get the message across, but anyone wondering the same thing is left out.

I love this feature. I hope more new MMOs put something like this in. It gives people a chance to think on their own (gasp!), while at the same time preventing spammers from rolling a level 1 toon and flooding the channels.

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by skeaser

 Speaking of Aion chat, why can't you use channels until level 5? I've seen people asking good questions in chat that I have to answer by tell because I can't respond publicly. I still get the message across, but anyone wondering the same thing is left out.

 

I love this feature. I hope more new MMOs put something like this in. It gives people a chance to think on their own (gasp!), while at the same time preventing spammers from rolling a level 1 toon and flooding the channels.

Eh, true enough, I guess I was just looking at the other side of the coin.

Originally posted by teco221

So, if you got your refund, what's the point of complaining?  Again, either you play or you don't play.  No one really cares that much about you.

I think letting people hear other opinions / experiences is very helpful for those people trying to make up their minds about the game.  Regardless if someone will be playing the game when it goes live, if they've played the game in CB and/or OB then their opinion is just as valid as anyone else. 

Often you have to look at the complaints to get a true feel for what (if any) problems a game is having.  Too many people fall in love with a game and put on the blinders and/or may be unwilling to discuss the negatives.  Once you're aware of the negatives you can make a better decision whether or not the game is for you.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Preordering an MMO (or worse, getting a lifetime subscription for it) is the stupidest thing a man could do. Well, hopefully you learned something from this.

I agree,unless you had a chance to see a finished product already in a alpha beta phase,witch btw is quite possible.

Two things that really struck it as lame was a RVR/PVP game with only two factions,i mean come on WAR did this and it turned me off of WAR immediately.The other thing is that how can NCSOFT be claiming to make the next two expansions for a game that is not even released?geesh that is like saying we are making the rest of your game,but we want to sell it to you in two more installments to scam you for more money.

If not for the recent uproar over TR and AOC,i think NCSOFT would have released this game already,they are in a "fear" mode right now.This is also why they chose the 1.5 patch they got negative feedback from the Asian community.The funny part is that they claim to be making the NA version to fit our gaming needs,yet they chose to implement the same 1.5 patch for the NA game lol,how did they know before the 1.o was even tested here first?That was all BS hype anyhow,claiming to be catering to the NA public,lmao did anyone actually buy into that?

When you see a game like AION with such little content available, make sure you play test it first to be sure ,i would not chance a pre order.Now if AION was a game with 6+ factions,tons of races and some unique game ideas[besides flying],then i could see some high expectations for a good PVP RVR game,but this is not the case here at all.

The other big fail was by having ONLY 2 factions,they were "forced" to make both factions FLYING,otherwise there would be no flight combat,lmao sad really when you think about it.I mean it really irked me when i found out both factions could fly,i thought that was really dumb,but like i said they were forced into it by cheap design.It really looks like an unfinished game,something i would not pre order.

Originally posted by Krilster

Originally posted by seniorfrito

I've now tried every class, gotten each to at least level 10. 

 

lol. Play the game before you decide you dislike it. Getting to level 10~ isn't the game.

/thread

Yeah, because a game is definitely worthwhile when you have to *look* for the fun.

OP; cancel the order if you don't like it.  I did.  Funny thing is, got the refund from Steam, yet NCsoft is so borked that they still show me as having a CE preorder with play access until sometime in October.  So basically, free game that I don't want to play.  Yay.

Originally posted by BayonetRecon

Originally posted by teco221

So, if you got your refund, what's the point of complaining?  Again, either you play or you don't play.  No one really cares that much about you.

I think letting people hear other opinions / experiences is very helpful for those people trying to make up their minds about the game.  Regardless if someone will be playing the game when it goes live, if they've played the game in CB and/or OB then their opinion is just as valid as anyone else. 

Often you have to look at the complaints to get a true feel for what (if any) problems a game is having.  Too many people fall in love with a game and put on the blinders and/or may be unwilling to discuss the negatives.  Once you're aware of the negatives you can make a better decision whether or not the game is for you.

Yea, but again people should not trust anyone's review unless you know the person has the same taste with you.  I read the good and bad reviews about EVE, and I picked and believe one of the good reviews, and I played it.  Personally, I would only give a 5/10, it was just an OK game, but in that good review is 12/10.  

I read about Champion Online, again good/bad reviews both side, then I tried in Beta and I think it's 2/10, so I don't even play and I didn't post anything negative about it on Champion Online's forum because 1. I didn't play long enough to make any kind of judgment  2. I just don't like it at all and since I have nothing nice to say about it, I just don't say anything.  Unless you can give a fair view, otherwise you are just ranting.

I have been playing Aion on Chinese server and I enjoy my time there, and because I can communicate with Chinese, I have a good time unlike some people who played for a few days and lost interests because no one they could talk to.  That's why I decide to play NA version.  Like I said in the post, I believe the game is only worth 6 months to a year to me.  I would only give a 7/10, and it's good enough for me.  I just don't like people make a post like "OMFG! NCSOFT TOOK MY MILK MONEY!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD KIND OF POST"

Originally posted by BayonetRecon

I think letting people hear other opinions / experiences is very helpful for those people trying to make up their minds about the game.  Regardless if someone will be playing the game when it goes live, if they've played the game in CB and/or OB then their opinion is just as valid as anyone else.

The problem is that some people come here to complain but have no real experience with the game. Take the OP for example. He played several toons to level 10. Leveling to 10 basically gets you through the initial tutorial zone. I don't know about you, but it doesn't seem to me that the tutorial zone really reflects the pvp, dungeons, and rifting that you will experience later. He then claims that the game is not immersive, but I bet you he is like so many other rat-chasing-the-cheese MMOers who skip the "why"s and story behind quests and just care about how quickly they can complete the task itself. The quest text in Aion actually is well done as it gradually reveals the larger story arc behind the game's lore. If you give it a chance (or a read), it is just as immersive as any other MMO out there. He also comments that the community isn't great either, but what he fails to realize is that this is an open beta and most of the "community" he sees now is actually not the real Aion community.

Sharing an informed opinion is one thing, writing negative comments based on limited experience and false assumptions is another.

Originally posted by Zippy

 

No offense to you but I would have a very hard time calling anyone under 30-35 an adult.  They might be able legally enter into contracts, drive and be killed but that does make them mature adults capable of controlling their emotions, their desires for attention, having anything close to an attention span or patience  or able to develop a sense of empathy for others.  I don't see any difference in maturity between most 15 and 25 year olds except that the 25 year old is generally louder and more obnoxious with a greater need to garner attention for himself.  Physically males brains do not mature until around age 25 where they can develop empathy.  With influences from popular culture and the general idiocy that is transmitted to these youngsters through television and the internet their path to maturity and some sort of rational thinking is likely greatly slowed. In todays culture actually having them develop any sort of empathy or understanding of anyone but themselves may not happen until they die.  I don't mean to offend as its not their fault.  Growing up and maturing is a process that takes time and something that is very hard to achieve in the environment they live in.  PvP kiddies, like the OP,  and those that spend most of their time hyping and eventually flaming games on the internet, are the worst of these children.  Completely lacking in patience and in the ability to think outside their immediate plane of existence coupled with a huge need to call attention to themselves.

I guess we should all bow down on our knees and kiss your highness's a$$ now?  You play video games (like the rest of us) for god's sakes...what makes you any different than us?  Your a pot calling a kettle black...Although I'm 31, I still find it pretentious for you to call anyone 18-25 immature.  Everyone matures at the own pace depending no their ability to learn, their parents, their environment and how far away they are from you (the further the better). 

On a side note, Aion has some great things to offer and some not so great things.  Im a big fan of fast combat, so this game isn't for me.  I do think that it will appeal to a pretty large crowd and I'm happy that that crowd was able to find a game they like :)