I'm sure I am not the only player to notice this. It seems a bit odd that the sorcerers are the "Ultimate PvP class." Honestly there should be a way to beat sorcerers right? Wrong! I'm sure theres some guys out there that have beaten a sorcerer(or sroc) once or twice but it doesn't happen every ten minutes i can say that. I fought a few sorc's today and I am an assassin. While fighting them a terrifying commandment was read to me. "If you can't get to them then they've already won". And that is absolutely true. If your a melee class and you can't get close to a sorc then your doomed. I just wouldn't accept duel invites from them.

Most sorc's start off with alot of good skills. Ice Chains I, and Root I are just a few of those. Once they're a higher level they keep getting spells like these. Those two spells are immobilising spells(except ice chains it slows movement) If they can keep you Immobilized or asleep they can kill you and you can never hit them. As an assassin I think this is a bit unfair to the players that don't want to be a sorcerer. Maybe I like duel wielding swords or daggers. Did you ever think of that NCSoft/Aion Team???

When I fought the sorcerer today he slept me for about 20 seconds...thats along time to not be able to do anything at all...

Then he used some kind of constricting skill and I was bound to one location..I could buff myself but nothing else. Which by the way assassins dont have many self heals if any at all. And any buffs they have are to boost attacks. Theres a buff i have right now that lets me dodge a magic or physical attack....once....thats right. once. And then the cool down is like a 30 seconds or a minute or something.

I haven't been to the abyss yet but I'm sure it's filled with nothing but sorc's rangers and healers chanters for healing. I realy hope NCSoft and the Aion team can balance things out. It kinda started this way with Guild Wars(another NCSoft title) when Mesmers were OP. Then they fixed that by changing the stats of one skill.(and more balancing came in the future for otherskills to fine tune things). But Aion's skill sets for the melee classes needs some serious reworking. Honestly if it stays li ke this I, the biggest Aion fan ever, don't think I'll be paying my money to get my ass kicked in the abyss by OP sorcerers...And if theres like 20 OP sorc's comin at you then you know your screwed.

No game should be this unbalanced...In most MMO's ive played theres always a way to beat any build. Every build has it's counter build so that there is no maximum supreme ultra build that pwns all. Aion...is different...theres one build that pwns all. That build is called being a sorcerer. Period.

 I wouldn't exactly call it a PvP-centric game...

1] You haven't reached the cap yet so you can't say what is balanced or not.

2] In the abyss and rift maps pvping alone will make you die a lot.

3] Be patient I don't think in all the other mmos you already get all skills at half the lvl cap or so :P

If sorcerers are truely overopowered they'll get wacked with the nerf bat soon enough, NCSoft never has shown themselves to be shy from doing it.

Well looking at this link it speaks a whole different story. 

http://www.massively.com/2009/09/05/aion-abyss-rankings-show-assassins-like-it-on-top-korean/

It shows the Top PvP class as Assassins with like 48 out of 100 and the rest are all about even. And that the sorc. is last ???

Now there are still a ton of factors in this pll cheating and what not but it shows some insight in to PvP

Originally posted by demalus

 I wouldn't exactly call it a PvP-centric game...

I would.

The game is balanced for higher levels, not low level arena bs. As an assasin, you would get a skill that basically teleports you on top (or directly behind) your enemy. Just like the sorc has a skill that teleports him 25m backwards. All the classes have measures and counter measures.  And all the classes mature at different speeds, but the real pvp doesnt start until lvl20 anyways.

I eat sorcerer's for breakfeast :P

I don't know how you can talk until you actually play the ENTIRE game.

What do you mean cant get close?

You get that charge ability at 10 that launches you to the enemy, 20m range I think.

I just kept waiting for the OP to say, when I was a rogue on WoW.  If you're screaming for nerfs before you can buy the Aion box at Wally World then Aion will get led down hill by the nerf bat shortly after release then once your class gets the bat you'll be crying foul.

op, dont worry ranger's and assassin's will be the bane of the sorccer

Originally posted by kamerak

op, dont worry ranger's and assassin's will be the bane of the sorccer

Very true.
I play with Sorceror and I can tell vs rangers no chance to win at all, vs assassins sometimes..
but mostly they just use hide and booom - my hp is down. ;)
Other melee classes like Templars and Gladiators.. well good luck vs Sorcerors in 1v1.
You can see clearly this game is not balanced if we speak about 1v1, more like GvG (imo).

Maybe, just maybe, a sorcerer is unbalanced in 1on1 PvP but that's not what the whole Massively Multiplayer Online thing is about now is it?

Despite what your ego might tell you there is a chance there's nothing wrong with the balance in Aion and you just suck at PvP or possibly the sorcerers you've dueled are simply way better at it then you are. (I know at least one sorceres that's easily beaten)

It probably won't matter but I'll say this anyway: The whole point of having different classes is to add some tactics to the game play. (tactics being to use your brain instead of just rushing in everytime you feel like hitting things; it's stuff like that, that got the neanderthal extinct)

Edit: btw I'm not saying this because I have illusions about my perfomance in PvP...

Let me sum this up and see if I'm on the right track.

The OP entered a battle somewhere in the teens (sure as hell didn't get to level 20, judging by the Sorc spells he got hit with) and is complaining about being kited.

...ok. Yes. Aion sure is very unbalanced when most classes have yet to learn their class-defining skills and get some of their "oshi-" buttons. Thanks for filling us in.

Lost me at

"I duel"

 So it is ok that the classes are unbalanced for like 2 months of your play time because you are not at the end level?   Sounds pretty silly to me.   Then again I am not buying or playing Aion.   Pvp/rvr only at max level is about the dumbest  design goal I can think of.   God I had so much fun In War, daoc, shadowbane at low lvl pvp/rvr. 

Originally posted by tbox

 So it is ok that the classes are unbalanced for like 2 months of your play time because you are not at the end level?   Sounds pretty silly to me.   Then again I am not buying or playing Aion.   Pvp/rvr only at max level is about the dumbest  design goal I can think of.   God I had so much fun In War, daoc, shadowbane at low lvl pvp/rvr. 

Aion uses a rock,/paper/scissors system you have classes that can beat you easily if they know what to do and others that you will own them easily if you know what to do.

Originally posted by tbox

 So it is ok that the classes are unbalanced for like 2 months of your play time because you are not at the end level?   Sounds pretty silly to me.   Then again I am not buying or playing Aion.   Pvp/rvr only at max level is about the dumbest  design goal I can think of.   God I had so much fun In War, daoc, shadowbane at low lvl pvp/rvr. 

2 months ? lol    Actually abyss PVP starts at 25 (which is about 30 hrs of gameplay maybe more depending on your play style)   Also Rift PVP can be done around 25 also.   God you ahd so much fun in war, daoc  hmm why are you here posting if they were so much fun ?

Funny op failed to mention that if u get hit during the sleep u wake up? *sniff  sniff* I smell a troll.

Originally posted by boberic

I'm sure I am not the only player to notice this. It seems a bit odd that the sorcerers are the "Ultimate PvP class." Honestly there should be a way to beat sorcerers right? Wrong! I'm sure theres some guys out there that have beaten a sorcerer(or sroc) once or twice but it doesn't happen every ten minutes i can say that. I fought a few sorc's today and I am an assassin. While fighting them a terrifying commandment was read to me. "If you can't get to them then they've already won". And that is absolutely true. If your a melee class and you can't get close to a sorc then your doomed. I just wouldn't accept duel invites from them.

Most sorc's start off with alot of good skills. Ice Chains I, and Root I are just a few of those. Once they're a higher level they keep getting spells like these. Those two spells are immobilising spells(except ice chains it slows movement) If they can keep you Immobilized or asleep they can kill you and you can never hit them. As an assassin I think this is a bit unfair to the players that don't want to be a sorcerer. Maybe I like duel wielding swords or daggers. Did you ever think of that NCSoft/Aion Team???

When I fought the sorcerer today he slept me for about 20 seconds...thats along time to not be able to do anything at all...

Then he used some kind of constricting skill and I was bound to one location..I could buff myself but nothing else. Which by the way assassins dont have many self heals if any at all. And any buffs they have are to boost attacks. Theres a buff i have right now that lets me dodge a magic or physical attack....once....thats right. once. And then the cool down is like a 30 seconds or a minute or something.

I haven't been to the abyss yet but I'm sure it's filled with nothing but sorc's rangers and healers chanters for healing. I realy hope NCSoft and the Aion team can balance things out. It kinda started this way with Guild Wars(another NCSoft title) when Mesmers were OP. Then they fixed that by changing the stats of one skill.(and more balancing came in the future for otherskills to fine tune things). But Aion's skill sets for the melee classes needs some serious reworking. Honestly if it stays li ke this I, the biggest Aion fan ever, don't think I'll be paying my money to get my ass kicked in the abyss by OP sorcerers...And if theres like 20 OP sorc's comin at you then you know your screwed.

No game should be this unbalanced...In most MMO's ive played theres always a way to beat any build. Every build has it's counter build so that there is no maximum supreme ultra build that pwns all. Aion...is different...theres one build that pwns all. That build is called being a sorcerer. Period.

umm it was just a duel for one, and 2 sounds more like you need to learn to play your class better. also assassins will eat sorcs up with little trouble when played right and once you get the anti kite abilities you get.
 

the melee classes get abilities for anti kiting. templars get the grab and drag wich also slows them. the game itself is very balanced from what i seen on the korean test server. its just there is certain lvls that one class will seem op because they just got one of thier abilities. like in wow people would twink out rogues at low lvls just because they rape every other class AT THOSE LEVELS, then later they're a joke, then a pain later if they're stun mace build.

Originally posted by TrueWarrior1

Funny op failed to mention that if u get hit during the sleep u wake up? *sniff  sniff* I smell a troll.

also i think sleep is one of those cc that increases teh mobs restances so they can't just sleep/nuke them to death.

edit: yeah i was right just looked the spell up

Sleep I
Puts an enemy target within 25m to sleep, and increases all elemental defenses

so more than likely he got slept so the sorc could bandage.

To the OP:

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  Making false assumptions because you got your butt handed to you by a Sorcerer in no way means "Aion is very unbalanced".

Chalk it up to learning your class.  Find out the Sorc's weaknesses and concentrate on those.

This game will never be balanced on 1v1 level. It is rather stupid to even argue it would be.

To the OP:

Sorry you didn't learn the class was not a one button smash i win type. Early levels (1-20) assassins have few skills to PvP effectively with, level 22+ is when we have enough chain skills to be effective, after level 28+ is when assassins become a bane to all classes.

Effectively this is not a WOW rogue, play it with some thinking to how you aproach an apponent and use your skills wisely.

As was said, certain classes at certain levels are better than others, the devs have been making the classes as balanced as possible.

How do I put this for you guys.

It's like this. Lets say you go to see a move...If the first 50 minutes of the movie are boring will you want to see the rest??? probably not even though theres only 20 minutes left. If they have 1 class thats > all other classes until your max level(or close) it kinda puts a damper on everyones playing. The game shouldn't just be balanced at the end...It should be balanced all the way through. from level 1-max. and I noticed that some one said "Once you get your anti-kite skills" which happens at like 25 or 30...in the mean time while im a level 20 i have to just take the ass beating form the sorcs? Sounds like a dumb idea to me. Thats a quick way to turn off players from the game. Have them be really weak against the uber sorcs until like level 25 or 30...

thats just plain stupid to me.

EDIT: also i'd like to say that i dont hail from World of fagcraft...I'm actually a guild wars player. I played as a mesmer(the class that requires the most thought in the game imo). So I'm use to thinking about how I need to fight my apponent. I'm use to placing my skills effectively and getting my timing right. So dont patronise me about being a WoW button masher...I'd never play that game...too many 10 year olds for my taste...