Originally posted by bjgladitsch

Makes me just wanna run up and punt kick one over the Pandemonium railing see if I can hit the fortress

lol i practically fell out of my chair laughing at the thought.. anyways.. i have an idea.. either raise the minimum size or make it to where if yer tiny you have lesser stats dmg/hp/etc.. then everyone would make huge guys thinking they had better stats but... guess what.. NOPE.. you're just f'in huge..

I'll be rolling the smallest toon possible for a few reasons:

1. I'm rolling an Assassin.

2. It is harder to notice and target.

3. Your toon fills up less of your screen, you can see more.

4. It's easier to tell if you are behind a target.

5. Other players will have a harder time understanding what class you are by looking at you.

With so many reasons why you would go small I don't see a reason to handicap yourself. If you were a tank there might be a reason to go big so you could be a target, the downside is everyone will know you are a tank and try to avoid targetting you.

Originally posted by vive

I created one and all I can say is... uggghhh. It'd be one thing if the developers actually changed the way a smaller toon runs.. I created a tiny fat man (scout) called Butterbean (I was suprised the name wasn't taken). His legs move so fast you can barely see them.. it's not even realistic at all.

So True!

hahaha yea thats what gets me going, its how they look when they run ! Thats what looks so bad!  Not that size that looks so crazy, its the spider running look... lol

Originally posted by vive

I created one and all I can say is... uggghhh.  It'd be one thing if the developers actually changed the way a smaller toon runs..  I created a tiny fat man (scout) called Butterbean (I was suprised the name wasn't taken).  His legs move so fast you can barely see them.. it's not even realistic at all.

 

At least in WoW if you roll a dwarf they actually run like a dwarf.  Their legs are short like in Aion, but first of all they are only half the size of a normal toon, not the size of a normal toon's knees.  They take long hopping strides instead of thier legs moving a million miles an hour.  Much better in terms of immersion.  I see a small Aion character running around and it reminds me.. this is a game and an average one at that.  It might be *polished* as people suggest, however it does need some work with the immersion aspect.  (see odd character sizes / movement / auto-face / cutscenes).

Prime example of how it is impossible to make everybody happy.  People complain if there is not enough character customization, so a developer says, "Here have some character customization."  Now people complain there is to much character customization and say it should be limited.

Yeah the speed their legs move when running looks off; however, this cannot really be compared to WoW's Dwarves.  That is an entire different race and each race in WoW, I am sure, has it's own animation sets.  Aion, on the other hand, we are talking about a single race that can be so customized that you have everything from small people to huge people.  To be able to do the separate animation would probably require dividing the race up into sub-races or limiting the character customization which would defeat the purpose of so much customization.  Unless they could figure out how to put in some sort of trigger that says when the length reaches x then y animation is attributed to the character.  I'm not a programmer, but that may pretty difficult to put into the game.

Out of curiosity how does CoX do it?  Don't they also have characters that can also range in size like this?  Do their small character run with super fast leg animation as well?  That would be a good comparison if they don't.

My concern falls more into line with what somebody else already stated.  Those little guys can be hard to see at times giving them quite an advantage in PvP.  Wonder how that is going to play into things in later levels.

I mentioned this in my flaws section of my Aion Review

 Here is the picture I used in the review

They need to change it, I agree

I dont get this, WoW had the shortest race in an MMO which was the gnome, i didnt see a bnch of people going out of their way to roll one of those. What makes the aion midget so special that you people think its a good dia to make your toon look like one?

Anyway, if you think it will bring any kind of advantage you are wrong, most good players tab target anyway.

Hoveround Scooters Mounts for Tiny Tots!  That way they wont get so tired of running!

Originally posted by Drokar

I am seriously hoping NCsoft changes this prior to launch, however the character size in open beta can be so miniature, they are about the size of adult size typical avatars foot.  Yes, imagine hundreds of midget, ok midget isnt even right cuz thats like saying dwarf which is large compared to the miniature size you can create in Aion... smalllllllll

If this goes live i am not sure how most people (masses) will react... some will love, some will say its game breaking.. not because those avatars are any harder to kill, but they are harder to see, and its an eyesore.

 

discuss....  

Agreed.  All in all I all targetting and advantage issues aside, it just plain doesn't fit with any of the story about the race itself or it's history.  All indications, including all of the NPC characters, show that the humans and Daeva's of this world did not include a tremendous amount of variation to the race on the level of miniatures or giants.  I mean don't get me wrong I'm cool with having really short or really tall people mixed in for diversity but come on, let's be realistic.  The size allowance should definitely be tweaked.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

I dont get this, WoW had the shortest race in an MMO which was the gnome, i didnt see a bnch of people going out of their way to roll one of those. What makes the aion midget so special that you people think its a good dia to make your toon look like one?

 

Anyway, if you think it will bring any kind of advantage you are wrong, most good players tab target anyway.

Unfortunately... If 3 players are coming at you, the [Tab] key does not choose the highest threat to your class.  Realizing the threat and clicking to target is best.  Take the alternative.. tabbing through each player, identifying which is targetted and realizing the threat each brings.  Add to the fact that the small size makes it much more difficult to identify class and you have an even larger problem. 

Originally posted by BettysAlt

Originally posted by Boardwalker

I plan to target small characters first whenever possible in pvp. If you are going to be a d-bag and mike a tiny toon then you deserve to die first.

 

So you don't like lil toons, therefore anyone who makes one is a dirtbag? You make a good tactical statement (targeting), and make the reason their character creation. Good lord, what are you going to do to people who's gear you don't like grouping with?

Oh, I don't care what gear people wear. They can wear a dress, wooden shoes, and jester's hat and it won't make a difference to me, but people who deliberately make the smallest toon possible at character creation (thinking they are oh-so clever) because they won't be targetted as much in pvp deserve to die first. Yes, those people are *that* annoying.

Edit: I fully support the current character customization scheme in Aion (even the ability to make tiny toons). Giving people as many options as possible is great for helping me create unique and interesting looks, which is an excellent feature for any MMO. People who complain that Aion has too many options are morons (imo of course).

Originally posted by Angier2758

I'm seriously doubting you'll see people being tiny at launch because you can't really claim to be a bad ass when you're a foot tall.

Yoda was a bad ass as you can get . Chucky was a bad ass as well. But I do see there is going to be a problem. Think is all the healers were a foot tall and all the DPS were 10 feet tall would be hard to kill the healers in a PvP 50 v 50

Originally posted by Boardwalker

I plan to target small characters first whenever possible in pvp. If you are going to be a d-bag and mike a tiny toon then you deserve to die first.

LOL, my son and I plan to do exactly this, make the smallest characters possible, it was a huge advantage in DAOC back in the day, so good luck seeing us. 

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

 

Anyway, if you think it will bring any kind of advantage you are wrong, most good players tab target anyway.

most good players tab target? no my friend, you are so so so so so very wrong about that

tab targeting is for noobs

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

I dont get this, WoW had the shortest race in an MMO which was the gnome, i didnt see a bnch of people going out of their way to roll one of those. What makes the aion midget so special that you people think its a good dia to make your toon look like one?

 

Anyway, if you think it will bring any kind of advantage you are wrong, most good players tab target anyway.

Tab targeting is no real help against a party thats a long way off, so the ranged casters are the real issue, quite painful to have fireballs coming your way and you can't get a target lock on the mage lost in the crowd.

Originally posted by Threetowns

 

Originally posted by vive

I created one and all I can say is... uggghhh. It'd be one thing if the developers actually changed the way a smaller toon runs.. I created a tiny fat man (scout) called Butterbean (I was suprised the name wasn't taken). His legs move so fast you can barely see them.. it's not even realistic at all.

So True!

 

hahaha yea thats what gets me going, its how they look when they run ! Thats what looks so bad!  Not that size that looks so crazy, its the spider running look... lol

As long as the character's legs have a normal proportion (compared to the rest of the body) they run quite normal. Even if the chars height slider is at the minimum.

The legs only move very fast if you make them very short, which actually physically makes sense if they run as fast as other chars (shorter legs - need more steps to achive the same speed) 

Still, people that want to make Dwarfs will get annoyed by their feet. On the other hand if you'd make a nice looking small female char with normal proportions you'd probably be happy with her. 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Boardwalker

I plan to target small characters first whenever possible in pvp. If you are going to be a d-bag and mike a tiny toon then you deserve to die first.

 

LOL, my son and I plan to do exactly this, make the smallest characters possible, it was a huge advantage in DAOC back in the day, so good luck seeing us. 

 

Most certainly! My son and I both played DAoC (and still do), and when we weren't playing hib we always looked for lurikeens to hunt. We'll look forward to making you and your son pay for the annoying choice you made in the character creation screen. :)

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Boardwalker

I plan to target small characters first whenever possible in pvp. If you are going to be a d-bag and mike a tiny toon then you deserve to die first.

 

LOL, my son and I plan to do exactly this, make the smallest characters possible, it was a huge advantage in DAOC back in the day, so good luck seeing us. 

 

 

Most certainly! My son and I both played DAoC (and still do), and when we weren't playing hib we always looked for lurikeens to hunt. We'll look forward to making you and your son pay for the annoying choice you made in the character creation screen. :)

ya sure, because most of the times luris were casters and they had lower hps because of the way race stats worked in daoc. but they could also be a tank. if you were really good at daoc, you fig out the class fast and acted upon what class was what, not how tiny or small someone was.

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

if you were really good at daoc

blah blah blah, of course targeting certain classes first is important. That's rvr 101. But sometimes it's fun to have a game within a game, such as lurikeen hunting, especially when you've played the game for 8 years.

The bottom line is that people who whine about anything and everything dont belong in MMOs.

Go play single player games.

If it`s not the midgets I`m sure you`ll find something else to bitch about so best is just to gtfo , none wants to hear this moaning.

Originally posted by Benjola

The bottom line is that people who whine about anything and everything dont belong in MMOs.

Go play single player games.

If it`s not the midgets I`m sure you`ll find something else to bitch about so best is just to gtfo , none wants to hear this moaning.

 

This.

Originally posted by Benjola

The bottom line is that people who whine about anything and everything dont belong in MMOs.

Go play single player games.

If it`s not the midgets I`m sure you`ll find something else to bitch about so best is just to gtfo , none wants to hear this moaning.

 

Let's all make Micro Mini characters..  Name them ALL after the teletubbies! 

pbskids.org/teletubbies/teletubbyland.html
 

Originally posted by Threetowns

Originally posted by Benjola

The bottom line is that people who whine about anything and everything dont belong in MMOs.

Go play single player games.

If it`s not the midgets I`m sure you`ll find something else to bitch about so best is just to gtfo , none wants to hear this moaning.

 

Let's all make Micro Mini characters..  Name them ALL after the teletubbies!
 

Roll whatever tf you want you wont hear me complaining about it.

Fact is midgets have an edge in PVP and anyone that is serious about PVP will make a midget or at least a semi-midget.

The huge max height giant Glads you see runing around  will get raped first in PVP batles heh.

Originally posted by Benjola

Originally posted by Threetowns

Originally posted by Benjola

The bottom line is that people who whine about anything and everything dont belong in MMOs.

Go play single player games.

If it`s not the midgets I`m sure you`ll find something else to bitch about so best is just to gtfo , none wants to hear this moaning.

 

Let's all make Micro Mini characters..  Name them ALL after the teletubbies!
 

 

Roll whatever tf you want you wont hear me complaining about it.

Fact is midgets have an edge in PVP and anyone that is serious about PVP will make a midget or at least a semi-midget.

The huge max height giant Glads you see runing around  will get raped first in PVP batles heh.

 

How about anyone serious about PvP actually plays the game as it was intended rather than looking to exploit something at every turn.  Yeah that's probably a concept you never thought of considering someone really respected in PvP is the one who is the underdog and finds ways around disadvantages and still be successful.

Originally posted by Benjola

Originally posted by Threetowns

Originally posted by Benjola

The bottom line is that people who whine about anything and everything dont belong in MMOs.

Go play single player games.

If it`s not the midgets I`m sure you`ll find something else to bitch about so best is just to gtfo , none wants to hear this moaning.

 

Let's all make Micro Mini characters..  Name them ALL after the teletubbies!
 

 

Roll whatever tf you want you wont hear me complaining about it.

Fact is midgets have an edge in PVP and anyone that is serious about PVP will make a midget or at least a semi-midget.

The huge max height giant Glads you see runing around  will get raped first in PVP batles heh.

 

You can tell me to stfu all you want.. but you just proved the point that the fact you can even make tiny little characters affects gameplay and therefore affects game experience.  If a player gets a *bonus* or a *hinderance* because of the way they created their toon in my opinion that's pretty damn stupid to do in an MMO where you play a toon for hours upon hours.

What if I'm a serious PVP player (like I am and have been) but would never make a small toon because it doesn't fit in the game and I find it annoying and stupid?  Suddenly my personal preference has put me at a disadvantage and stands to alter my experience.

Originally posted by Drokar

I am seriously hoping NCsoft changes this prior to launch, however the character size in open beta can be so miniature, they are about the size of adult size typical avatars foot.  Yes, imagine hundreds of midget, ok midget isnt even right cuz thats like saying dwarf which is large compared to the miniature size you can create in Aion... smalllllllll

If this goes live i am not sure how most people (masses) will react... some will love, some will say its game breaking.. not because those avatars are any harder to kill, but they are harder to see, and its an eyesore.

 

discuss....  

I only mind how they walk/run, overall have no problem with them but will have a problem with them if NCSoft does not correct the way they walk/run. Just because they are midgets doesn't mean they need to have their legs move at lighting speed, including that strange sound as if someone is shaking something in some bushes.

Let them walk/run like every none-midget character and I am fine with them.