Originally posted by Reion1

Not trying to sound like the voice of reason, but this game is going to fail miserably in the western market.  You succeeded in not sounding like the voice of reason. Most of the games released now are said to be mostly concentrated on PVP.  The western market does NOT want PVP.  They want lots PVE with a side order of PVP built in. I'll agree, kinda. I still think there are still enough people in the West who like PvP to make Aion successful (i.e., make a profit)

Games that have adopted this all out pvp strategy are running at 100k subs because pvp alone is not enough to keep the population of the game thriving. And it's simple as that.  WoW is on top mostly because of it's PVE aspect, even though many players enjoy the pvp aspect as well. I believe that Aion has a pretty decent amount of pve in v1.5. Didn't they add a bunch of instances/dungeons in the most recent patch? And there is also an expansion that is on the way that will probably add more pve content.

This game is not going any where.  I think it will do just fine, so I guess we'll have to disagree. And to all the people who hyped up this game while playing the closed beta, purchase the box and shell out a monthly fee and we'll see if graphics alone can keep you "interested". Graphics aren't what drew me to the game, but it's nice that Aion does decently well in that department.
 

Originally posted by Reion1

Originally posted by Clattuc

Let's not have an attack of the stupids here, OK?

Aion is a perfectly decent game.  NCSoft has put a ton of effort into Westernizing and debugging it for NA/Europe release.  It has enough complication to make gameplay interesting, and it looks gorgeous.  I think it will be a success in the Western market.

Not trying to sound like the voice of reason, but this game is going to fail miserably in the western market.  Most of the games released now are said to be mostly concentrated on PVP.  The western market does NOT want PVP.  They want lots PVE with a side order of PVP built in. 

Games that have adopted this all out pvp strategy are running at 100k subs because pvp alone is not enough to keep the population of the game thriving. And it's simple as that.  WoW is on top mostly because of it's PVE aspect, even though many players enjoy the pvp aspect as well. 

This game is not going any where.  And to all the people who hyped up this game while playing the closed beta, purchase the box and shell out a monthly fee and we'll see if graphics alone can keep you "interested"
 

i think there is a market for pvp centered mmo's TBH. reason WAR and AOC is doing bad isnt because they are pvp games, it's because they were just bad at launch (cant speak for how they are now, havent played them in forever). i think the fact that both AoC and WAR had around 800k players or whatever at launch makes me think there is a big part of the mmo community that wants a GOOD pvp game.

and yes i am aware that AoC and WAR both have pretty famous titles to help them get players just because of their names but i still feel the pvp market is there and we just need a good game to prove it

Aions a polished and fun MMO whether you like it or not bud. Plenty of folks are going to enjoy the content, so your post is basically wasted space..LOL. I hope you have fun where ever you end up.

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Reion1

Not trying to sound like the voice of reason, but this game is going to fail miserably in the western market.  You succeeded in not sounding like the voice of reason. Okay, mission accomplished.  Most of the games released now are said to be mostly concentrated on PVP.  The western market does NOT want PVP.  They want lots PVE with a side order of PVP built in. I'll agree, kinda. I still think there are still enough people in the West who like PvP to make Aion successful (i.e., make a profit) Maybe. Flying pvp, very profitable concept

Games that have adopted this all out pvp strategy are running at 100k subs because pvp alone is not enough to keep the population of the game thriving. And it's simple as that.  WoW is on top mostly because of it's PVE aspect, even though many players enjoy the pvp aspect as well. I believe that Aion has a pretty decent amount of pve in v1.5. Didn't they add a bunch of instances/dungeons in the most recent patch? And there is also an expansion that is on the way that will probably add more pve content. The game hasn't launched, and you want to wait for an expansion for PVE?

This game is not going any where.  I think it will do just fine, so I guess we'll have to disagree. We'll agree to disagree, and I'll be the one to tell you I told you so. And to all the people who hyped up this game while playing the closed beta, purchase the box and shell out a monthly fee and we'll see if graphics alone can keep you "interested". Graphics aren't what drew me to the game, but it's nice that Aion does decently well in that department. What did draw you in? wings?
 

 

 

Sometimes people are just looking for a change in scenery. The game (as stated by others) seems to be polished and run well, and while not revolutionary, it suits the needs of many. Also, its a new game and you can't really blame people for being excited about it. Some people just set their expectations way to high when it comes to mmos so alot of people wind up being disappointed when they find out that gameplay is still based on similar concepts. Wait for the official release of the game to make your judgements at least. Things just might change for the better,

Again, another post about Aion not being "NEW".  Listen Read other posts, people already said Aion is like "WOW" or "EQ2" so stop whining. 

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Vexe

Originally posted by Sandoz

I finally got into the beta today and I was really surprised to find that THIS is what people have been raving about.

I'll give it two things, the game is polished and runs well, and that's probably saying a lot when compared to most MMO's, but otherwise it's really standard fare.

I'm a little shocked that the MMORPG crowd has been mostly in awe of this title, even going so far as joining the Chinese beta. For this? Really?

 

Better than WoW or FE in my opinion. It's no EVE but it's pretty good especially in light of the current blight in good NEW mmos.

I personally think FE is good for what it is ( a underfunded indy Fps sandbox) but how could anyone compare a game like FE to AIon. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that the games offer a totally different experience from one another.

Are you only lumping FE into this "better than" post because in releases in the same month?

I find it near impossible to compare.

Apples and oranges.

I'm comparing in my actual enjoyment of the game. Not in feature to feature. I enjoy combat.

Originally posted by Reion1

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Reion1

Not trying to sound like the voice of reason, but this game is going to fail miserably in the western market.  You succeeded in not sounding like the voice of reason. Okay, mission accomplished.  Most of the games released now are said to be mostly concentrated on PVP.  The western market does NOT want PVP.  They want lots PVE with a side order of PVP built in. I'll agree, kinda. I still think there are still enough people in the West who like PvP to make Aion successful (i.e., make a profit) Maybe. Flying pvp, very profitable concept

Games that have adopted this all out pvp strategy are running at 100k subs because pvp alone is not enough to keep the population of the game thriving. And it's simple as that.  WoW is on top mostly because of it's PVE aspect, even though many players enjoy the pvp aspect as well. I believe that Aion has a pretty decent amount of pve in v1.5. Didn't they add a bunch of instances/dungeons in the most recent patch? And there is also an expansion that is on the way that will probably add more pve content. The game hasn't launched, and you want to wait for an expansion for PVE?  No, v1.5, the version being released on 9/20, has plenty of new pve that was added into the game--I was just pointing out that the devs will continue to add pve content with their pvp content in an attempt to keep both sides happy.

This game is not going any where.  I think it will do just fine, so I guess we'll have to disagree. We'll agree to disagree, and I'll be the one to tell you I told you so. And to all the people who hyped up this game while playing the closed beta, purchase the box and shell out a monthly fee and we'll see if graphics alone can keep you "interested". Graphics aren't what drew me to the game, but it's nice that Aion does decently well in that department. What did draw you in? wings? The potential of good pvp, the mechanics of the Abyss (the concept reminds me of the frontier from DAoC, something I loved), a new world to explore with a compelling backstory, interesting classes and detailed character customization, the use of proven MMO mechanics with the addition of unqiue/well done features such as wings, combat in flight, gear stat transferring,  extendable weapons, style/spell chains with visual indicators, a 3rd race that the Elyos and Asmos have to contend with besides each other, rifting, the opportunity for pvp in pve instances, fortress sieges, etc.
 

 

 

 

Originally posted by Vexe

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Vexe

Originally posted by Sandoz

I finally got into the beta today and I was really surprised to find that THIS is what people have been raving about.

I'll give it two things, the game is polished and runs well, and that's probably saying a lot when compared to most MMO's, but otherwise it's really standard fare.

I'm a little shocked that the MMORPG crowd has been mostly in awe of this title, even going so far as joining the Chinese beta. For this? Really?

 

Better than WoW or FE in my opinion. It's no EVE but it's pretty good especially in light of the current blight in good NEW mmos.

I personally think FE is good for what it is ( a underfunded indy Fps sandbox) but how could anyone compare a game like FE to AIon. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that the games offer a totally different experience from one another.

Are you only lumping FE into this "better than" post because in releases in the same month?

I find it near impossible to compare.

Apples and oranges.

I'm comparing in my actual enjoyment of the game. Not in feature to feature. I enjoy combat.

Your comparing Funfactor? Shit in that case Mass Effect > the entire MMO genre!!

./thread

Originally posted by teco221

Again, another post about Aion not being "NEW".  Listen Read other posts, people already said Aion is like "WOW" or "EQ2" so stop whining. 

Actually it's like neither, seeing that it has half the content (at best) and is no where near comparable in terms of world size or zone variety.  That's not even mentioning the non-combat bells and whistles that EQ2 and WoW have in spades and Aion completely lacks.

The reason Aion is so 'polished' is because there's really nothing to it:  unbelievably linear advancement, mirrored advancement paths, and then everyone is dumped together in the abyss to whack on each other in meaningless leader-board pvp. 

Woo.  Be still my heart.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Vexe

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Vexe

Originally posted by Sandoz

I finally got into the beta today and I was really surprised to find that THIS is what people have been raving about.

I'll give it two things, the game is polished and runs well, and that's probably saying a lot when compared to most MMO's, but otherwise it's really standard fare.

I'm a little shocked that the MMORPG crowd has been mostly in awe of this title, even going so far as joining the Chinese beta. For this? Really?

 

Better than WoW or FE in my opinion. It's no EVE but it's pretty good especially in light of the current blight in good NEW mmos.

I personally think FE is good for what it is ( a underfunded indy Fps sandbox) but how could anyone compare a game like FE to AIon. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that the games offer a totally different experience from one another.

Are you only lumping FE into this "better than" post because in releases in the same month?

I find it near impossible to compare.

Apples and oranges.

I'm comparing in my actual enjoyment of the game. Not in feature to feature. I enjoy combat.

Your comparing Funfactor? Shit in that case Mass Effect > the entire MMO genre!!

./thread

 

+1

I agree.

The problem is that people bring up the WoW of the past whereas you need to look at the WoW of the present.

I agree that no other game has ever matched the open world of WoW (when it was new). But I have news for you  there is no open world action on WoW anymore. Everything that made WoW unique is by now over. The current WoW is played in something of a chatroom where you select an instance to teleport to.

If you currently want to play in a fantasy open world where you can PvP your only option is Aion. It is a well done game that will do well enough to be around for a long while.

You guys need to stop taking things personally, if you don't like something it does not mean the game is necessarily bad. Just be happy and move on to something you like.

Originally posted by Reion1

Originally posted by metalhead980

Aion is no more polished than Lotro was when it released.

Only thing different is that this game already as a nice following in Asia.

I think people Over hyped the game a bit, people are frustrated with the genre and really want a different experience than WoW gives them.

Aion isn't my type of game but I'm glad others find it fun.

To me Aion gets tossed in with the other half decent Themeparks like EQ2 and Lotro.

 

LOL... Dude.  Chill.  Don't even compare this asian grinder to LOTRO.  You must be buggin out.

I've done just as much grind in Aion as I have in LOTRO. The kill x amount of y and bring me their tails is by no means limited to Aion. Heck, even Stefal has admitted there is a bit too much of it.

Originally posted by Sandoz

I'll give it two things, the game is polished and runs well, and that's probably saying a lot when compared to most MMO's, but otherwise it's really standard fare.

 

Except for the odd overeager 10 year old or mental midget not really seen anyone raving about anything in Aion, except the two points you mention (polished/runs well)

But then again, those two points do make it worth raving about after the disasters of the last few MMO's released (PotBS, AoC,WAR,Dfo so forth), but that says a lot more about the industry in general rather than Aion

Other than that, Aion is just a working game that's a mix of WoW and Lineage with a PvP focus, good place for new adventures, but probably not somewhere you will stay year in year out unless you really like the pvp

Originally posted by Lashay

Originally posted by Sandoz

I'll give it two things, the game is polished and runs well, and that's probably saying a lot when compared to most MMO's, but otherwise it's really standard fare.

 

Except for the odd overeager 10 year old or mental midget not really seen anyone raving about anything in Aion, except the two points you mention (polished/runs well)

But then again, those two points do make it worth raving about after the disasters of the last few MMO's released (PotBS, AoC,WAR,Dfo so forth), but that says a lot more about the industry in general rather than Aion

Other than that, Aion is just a working game that's a mix of WoW and Lineage with a PvP focus, good place for new adventures, but probably not somewhere you will stay year in year out unless you really like the pvp

I don't know if it's as polished as they say.  People ARE having issues. Lag and GG just to name two.

Game Guard is a frikking nightmare.
I am not going to renew my subscription if they don't scrap it.
I would have canceled my preorder if I could.................

Well i haven't played this game that long but i haven't seen any problems at all. The game is really smooth and it looks fantastic. IMO i think this game is gonna get even bigger here in the next 2 months and i'm a guy that has played WoW for 2 years and finally i can leave and go to another game that isn't garbage. 

 Yes, this is what people have been raving about. Doesn't matter in the end because Aion will most likely be left with a niche community.

This is no killer of WoW, however it is a very solid MMO with good features  that will be played by many on release.

Aion is ok.. not great but ok, to me it doesn't feel like a p2p title though, it just feels like your typcial run of the mill mmo, that would probally benefit more from being f2p with a cash shop. I can see this game 6-12 months down the road probally going f2p. Due to lack of players.

Originally posted by Scyris

Aion is ok.. not great but ok, to me it doesn't feel like a p2p title though, it just feels like your typcial run of the mill mmo, that would probally benefit more from being f2p with a cash shop. I can see this game 6-12 months down the road probally going f2p. Due to lack of players.

F2P with cash shops absolutely destroy decent MMO titles. The only exception is Guild Wars.

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Originally posted by Sandoz
I finally got into the beta today and I was really surprised to find that THIS is what people have been raving about.
I'll give it two things, the game is polished and runs well, and that's probably saying a lot when compared to most MMO's, but otherwise it's really standard fare.
I'm a little shocked that the MMORPG crowd has been mostly in awe of this title, even going so far as joining the Chinese beta. For this? Really?

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YES! For running well, but mostof all for being POLISHED!

This is FIRST polished game since World of Warcraft.
After trying few crapshits relases in recent few years (AoC, War, numerous third grade games) i'm totally fed up with failures, i'm happy to be able to play polished game for once.

The only thing that makes me worried is GameGuard. I have to hack the game to be able to play, because GameGuard kills my connectivity software. If they wont do something with GG, unfortunately this game will be failure too :(

Originally posted by twiggy550

 Yes, this is what people have been raving about. Doesn't matter in the end because Aion will most likely be left with a niche community.

This is no killer of WoW, however it is a very solid MMO with good features  that will be played by many on release.

I agree.
I think WoW is an average game, but it is more fun than this game.
Aion is way too linear for my liking and way too casual.
It is not bad at all, it is just average.
No Wow killer here, we are looking at the same numbers of Lineage 2, although at release the number will be much greater due to the hype.

Most of the people on this site that are bitching haven't even played the game. Its blatantly obvious by their horrible knowledge of the game (asian grinder etc).  But when all the babies and mmo burnouts turn their attention on something else, Aion should have a healthy community which will be a great incentive for further MMO development in the future

Originally posted by GazMc

Most of the people on this site that are bitching haven't even played the game. Its blatantly obvious by their horrible knowledge of the game (asian grinder etc).  But when all the babies and mmo burnouts turn their attention on something else, Aion should have a healthy community which will be a great incentive for further MMO development in the future

A healthy community of horny guys playing cute teens and pre-teens? that seems like a contradiction

I generally play strictly male avatars because it's easier to associate with. However in this game the character creator can make females that have an exotic beauty that's hard to resist.