Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Leg3nd4ry1

I can't keep up this bickering, its pointless. I'm sorry i stated an opinion that was different.

Dude, your opinion is fine and I totally respect that. You can play however you want and that is cool. All I am saying is that some comments just don't make a lot of sense to me (like saying you grew bored and there was nothing to do at level 80 but then saying you did a lot of stuff) and just looking for some clarification is all.

ok for clarification, i maxed out my crafting skills, played through the raids, and went through all the bgs and wintergrasp. After all was said and done, i just felt like i needed a change of scenery. It was alot of work and alot of fun, but people started taking the game to seriously, i didnt feel like i wanted to level another toon to 80 just for the game to lose its fun appeal. The process of getting there was fun, but when people started acting the way they did, ruining whole raid groups just cuz they wouldn't get promoted to raid leader (even though my friend started the group), etc., i just thought it wasnt worth it in my end to get to the same point where things became repetitive and lost its entertainment value. It became more like a job than a source of enjoyment after a while.

can we just get along and stop arguing now :(

Look how long DAOC and EQ1 lasted. People are still playing EQ1.

MMORPGs last a -long time-. People invest months of playtime in their characters and its really hard to hit the "cancel subscription" button. Plus, people want to stick with their friends.

WoW had huge momentum from the start. Blizzard had a huge fan base, as did the Warcraft series. They have always been good at developing immersive lore and solid play systems. So, everybody who loved Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo II had high hopes for WoW. And for what it is, it delivered. They could afford to spend the time to develop a lot of content and work out most bugs pre-release. They hooked in a huge fan base and didn't lose them to early bugs or boredom.

I don't think that WoW is the best MMORPG. I don't think its the most innovative. I think it was implemented very well and had the PR and money to hook a large fan base early on and encourage them to invite their friends in too.

I don't think there is any such thing as a "WoW Killer". MMORPGs don't get killed by other MMORPGs because people, like I stated above, have too much invested to drop everything for another game unless they have real motivation to do so (friends playing another game, perhaps), or because they're bored or frustrated. When the motivations to leave the game outweigh the motivation to stay, they play a new game. Because a lot of people started their MMO career on WoW, it will be hard to entice them to leave until they simply get bored.

Me, I played WoW, got sick of it, quit, came back for the expansions to give them a shot, and quit again. But I played many MMOs before WoW, got over the heartache of deleting a character, and it wasn't that big of a deal to me. Everybody out there needs to think of how difficult it would be to delete their primary character on their favorite MMO. That's not something you buy away with a good or innovative game. Its something you leech away slowly as the last big thing wears down.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Axxar

I honestly don't see Aion having much more of an impact on WoW than WAR/AoC did, at least not in the west.

 

Well for one thing, it will not even touch the intial sales of 750K those games had back then. Xfire.

But enough already has come out in the prelaunch of Aion to see it won't even hang out around EVE sub numbers.

Gameguard issues, auto-following a target in ... a PvP game (you can't be serious), ONE class (Assasin) that has 48% representation in that one zone of PvP (Abyss), no pets, no mounts, no flying mounts, no BG's, no underwater worlds, no realtime destruction, a VERY small world, zoning, very linair build up world (a la WAR) .... and most of all.

No responsive actions from Raid bosses. Meaning you see the boss standing still, you see the tank standing still, you see the healer standing and you see the dps standing still for 15 minutes and  s l o w l y downing the boss.

http://www.xfire.com/video/1038cd/ : see a typical Aion boss in .... action (?) . How exciting ....BTW that video lasts 1.5 minutes with the boss already at less than 5% .... YAwn..... indeed.

The above already shows why those supposed million of internet café players in China are back to playing WOW these days.

Even in Korea WOW has 100 servers against 42 for Aion. And that's the HOMELAND of this Korean copycat.

 

Is this guy really this much of a fanboy?  If a game has been out for 4 years its going to have more content than a game coming out.   It would be a coding nightmare to try and do it all at once.  But hey reality is in play on these forums am I right?

WoW is digital Heroine ... it's the carrot on the stick that keeps people playing it ... the addiction ... the crave for higher levels and better gear.

Blizzard obviously has the best pharmasists :)

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Axxar

I honestly don't see Aion having much more of an impact on WoW than WAR/AoC did, at least not in the west.

 

Well for one thing, it will not even touch the intial sales of 750K those games had back then. Xfire.

But enough already has come out in the prelaunch of Aion to see it won't even hang out around EVE sub numbers.

Gameguard issues, auto-following a target in ... a PvP game (you can't be serious), ONE class (Assasin) that has 48% representation in that one zone of PvP (Abyss), no pets, no mounts, no flying mounts, no BG's, no underwater worlds, no realtime destruction, a VERY small world, zoning, very linair build up world (a la WAR) .... and most of all.

No responsive actions from Raid bosses. Meaning you see the boss standing still, you see the tank standing still, you see the healer standing and you see the dps standing still for 15 minutes and  s l o w l y downing the boss.

http://www.xfire.com/video/1038cd/ : see a typical Aion boss in .... action (?) . How exciting ....BTW that video lasts 1.5 minutes with the boss already at less than 5% .... YAwn..... indeed.

The above already shows why those supposed million of internet café players in China are back to playing WOW these days.

Even in Korea WOW has 100 servers against 42 for Aion. And that's the HOMELAND of this Korean copycat.

 

 

Is this guy really this much of a fanboy?  If a game has been out for 4 years its going to have more content than a game coming out.   It would be a coding nightmare to try and do it all at once.  But hey reality is in play on these forums am I right?

The concern about scripted bosses is legit. What bothers me is that when I ask it on certain sites, they say "ZOMG NO MORE WOW". Because scripted bosses and a bigger difficulty than tank and spank is a thing met in WoW only.
That's why some people deserve to be spammed into oblivion by Zorn's xfire statistics.

Originally posted by Miffin

It's coming up on the 5th anniversarry of World of Warcraft (AKA: WoW), and still no dominant game has emerged as a rival.  AoC made a small splash.  Warhammer flopped, and SOE fails everytime.  So the question is will WoW ever be dethroned? Of course we all say like everything else the market will go in cycles, however I'm not postitve that it will. With Blizzard holding 62% of the market, just based off WoW alone, I'd think it's safe to say that the MMO race is a pointless one or at least it seems over. Hell I think it's been over ever since the South Park episode. WoW  now has the crown and can not be dethroned. But then again I may be wrong and this may be a cycle. However WoW is certainly not going anywhere.

EQ was the last top dog for over 5 years. Of course another game will become the dominant game sooner or later.

But it have to be good, well made and be released in the right time. My bets are for Guildwars 2. The first GW have sold over 6 million copies and it was an instanced low budget game. The second game will be a full budget MMO with a persistan world (in a way no other MMO have had before, WAR was supposed to be in a persistant world but it was one of the things they cutted).

In GW2 you will be able to change the gameworld around you. It also have amazing graphics and no monthly fees. The GFX engine is made by the same team that originally made Wows GFX engine too (before Kaplan took over). I don't see ow Wow can compete with that.

Of course the game is still at least a year into the future so Wow will be the king for a while longer.

Bioware also have the potential to make a big MMO but they don't have the same fan group as Blizzard. It is more likely that they will get a lot of new players into the genre, like Wow did in the beginning. I still don't see it getting more than 2 million players however.

Then Blizzard are also releasing a new MMO later. Most of the true Blizz fans will most likely move over to it.

But none of these games will kill Wow, only Wow 2 could possibly do that. 10 year old games like UO and EQ is still around.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Aion is not "coming out". It is already a year old and the pain list of the Korean is growing by the minute. (forums are fulll of it).

Well, too bad for a game that was  to kill WOW for its fans (and they CAME here for months). How many lies did we need to hear about the millions of players on the free internet cafés (coupled with the usual pain in the ass WOW comments) ?

Time to put a few lines straight before the balloon bursts into tears. Does that bother you ? :)

Aion did a pretty good job taking Wow subs in Korea and China. It wont here of course and in Chine it got a boost from the fact that the Wow servers got taken down by the goverment but you shouldn't still laugh at Aion.

I don't see it having a big impact in the west but my most Blizzard fanatic friend actually started to play it, it is the first MMO besides Wow he is playing since Wows release. Some players will they loose.

Wow had a great run already, you can't be so blind that you think it will be the biggest game ever. Aion is not the game that will take over in the west but some other game will sooner or later. Otherwise we would all still play Meridian 59, computer games change and evolve and no game no matter how good it is will be the top game forever, Well possibly Tetris.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Loke666

Aion did a pretty good job taking Wow subs in Korea and China. It wont here of course and in Chine it got a boost from the fact that the Wow servers got taken down by the goverment but you shouldn't still laugh at Aion.

I don't see it having a big impact in the west but my most Blizzard fanatic friend actually started to play it, it is the first MMO besides Wow he is playing since Wows release. Some players will they loose.

Wow had a great run already, you can't be so blind that you think it will be the biggest game ever. Aion is not the game that will take over in the west but some other game will sooner or later. Otherwise we would all still play Meridian 59, computer games change and evolve and no game no matter how good it is will be the top game forever, Well possibly Tetris.

 

The announced 12 servers of Aion in EU and US will not make the difference, but you are also wrong about those Asian figures.

Aion in Korea had ONE (I repeat one) server added in 2009, and WOW has 100 servers alone in Korea.

As for China: WOW is back up and did it occur to you that it is VERY odd Taiwan has 100 WOW servers (that's around 1.000.000 Players/subs .... for a country of 2.5 M people ?). No wonder Blizzard made even more money than the year before.... with the 7 weeks hic-up in China mainland).

As for the great run: With CAT hold on to your hats.

I hope Blizzard will awake their server stress teams in time when that baby will launch.

Servers like Al'akir-EU will be virtually unplayable at launch.

And WoTLK techniques now used in basic leveling  from lvl 1 - 60., I think you'll be amazed about the MANY basic stuff added in those expansions you didn't even see.

WOW is just as old as its latest expansion/patch. Of course Blizzard can afford it to tune the graphics in relation to their average client parc by simply sampling the millions of hardware data.

So this baby gets a restart in ol' Azeroth in 2010. And nobody is going to stop it, and certainly not the daily 200 posters logged in on mmorpg.com (corrected that's 179 at this moment).

 

 

How bad would it be if WOW lost the number one slot in subs? Would the hardcore fanboys be able to stand it or would they move on to whatever the current number one game is?  Enjoying a game is one thing, obsessing about it is something completely different.  You are very odd.

a) you all are not investors so market share means shit.

b) a server, if it's lucky, has 5,000 people.  Plus it's heavily instanced.  True MMO's don't instance and have more people playing at the same time on one server.

So while WoW has the most subscribers spread of many servers, it fails as an MMO from an individual players perspective..

Originally posted by Ruyn

a) you all are not investors so market share means shit.

b) a server, if it's lucky, has 5,000 people.  Plus it's heavily instanced.  True MMO's don't instance and have more people playing at the same time on one server.

So while WoW has the most subscribers spread of many servers, it fails as an MMO from an individual players perspective..

Mmm how did it taste when you read the above slap in your faces hmm?  Did it taste good?  Cuz he's absolutely right and truth really does hurt doesn't it?  Oh and to the OPs original question, it's being done as we speak.  It's called Aion. 

Have a nice day. ;)

I just wonder. Wow is a crap game simple as that .  It is made for kids and populated by annoying brats. The main problem with wow is that most of its playerbase never played another MMO and they dont know where to go or what else to play. People writing about Wow allways yap about the number of players and that number is a complete fabrication. I dont see more people running around in Wow than people running around in EQ2. And yes I tried WoW and i have friends that plays it too. IMO WoW is the most over hyped shitty old POS and I would rather spend a full year paying to play Ultima Online than beeing payed a full year to play WoW.  There now, that felt good to offload. you can bash now but i will only feel sorry for you not anger :) 

Originally posted by Brorim

I just wonder. Wow is a crap game simple as that .  It is made for kids and populated by annoying brats. The main problem with wow is that most of its playerbase never played another MMO and they dont know where to go or what else to play. People wrinting about Wow allways yap about the number of players and that number is a complete fabrication. I dont see more people running around in Wow than people running around in EQ2. And yes I tried WoW and i have friends that plays it too. IMO WoW is the most over hyped shitty old POS and I would rather spend a full year paying to play Ultima Online than beeing payed a full year to play WoW.  The now that felt good to offload. you can bash now but i will only feel sorry for you not anger :) 

 

I dont intend to bash your comments but simply state that is you i feel sorry for overall. I dont believe WoW is a particularly great game myself however the generalisation of kids and annoying brats is a bit unfair wouldnt you say? I play WoW simply because right now I havent found anything else (currently waiting for TOR) that I would rather pay for however I am not either of the categories you mentioned. It is just unfortunate that the people you remember and associate with WoW are the people that do complain and make the rest look bad.

I coulda swore that we play certain MMO's because we enjoy them not so we could wave epeens at one another...my bad...

Yay, WoW is still doing great, I'm sure they are all having a good time slapping each the on the back giving a big ol' "atta boy" as they take their bonus checks to the bank.

I'm sure they appressiate your monthly contribution...Blizzard is proud of you all, keep up the good work!

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Axxar

I honestly don't see Aion having much more of an impact on WoW than WAR/AoC did, at least not in the west.

 

Well for one thing, it will not even touch the intial sales of 750K those games had back then. Xfire.

But enough already has come out in the prelaunch of Aion to see it won't even hang out around EVE sub numbers.

 

http://www.xfire.com/video/1038cd/ : see a typical Aion boss in .... action (?) . How exciting ....BTW that video lasts 1.5 minutes with the boss already at less than 5% .... YAwn..... indeed.

The above already shows why those supposed million of internet café players in China are back to playing WOW these days.

Even in Korea WOW has 100 servers against 42 for Aion. And that's the HOMELAND of this Korean copycat.

 

 

Is this guy really this much of a fanboy?  If a game has been out for 4 years its going to have more content than a game coming out.   It would be a coding nightmare to try and do it all at once.  But hey reality is in play on these forums am I right?

The concern about scripted bosses is legit. What bothers me is that when I ask it on certain sites, they say "ZOMG NO MORE WOW". Because scripted bosses and a bigger difficulty than tank and spank is a thing met in WoW only.
That's why some people deserve to be spammed into oblivion by Zorn's xfire statistics.

As I said,

Other MMORPGs cant and wont beat WoW because of this Mental Thinking,,,,

"Hey Lets make [Insert new MMORPG] 100% different from WOW!!!!,, nothing that WoW has or us Fanboys will QQ our ass off, Even if its something cool that WoW has"

Dam how much have I seen this on upcoming MMO Forums.  Warhammer, Guild Wars, ext

WoW has great ideas, (EVEN BLIZZARD STEALS IDEAS), and there shouldnt be hatered towards ideas that WoW may have similar things to.

Example- just a few months ago I got flamed on a Guild Wars forum for suggesting Mounts in GW2. Know what the comments were? NOOOOO WOW HAS THAT. YOU JUST WANT FREE TO PLAY WOW BAABAA BAA<,,,,,,,,

shit like that.

As if WoW invented Mounts in MMOs. I see a lot of this mess.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

As for China: WOW is back up and did it occur to you that it is VERY odd Taiwan has 100 WOW servers (that's around 1.000.000 Players/subs .... for a country of 2.5 M people ?). No wonder Blizzard made even more money than the year before.... with the 7 weeks hic-up in China mainland). 

dont talk nonsense. taiwan has over 20 M people

Some people who have played WoW for 4 years on and off are just plain sick of playing the same game for 4+ years. In the long run you are grinding instances and badges to get the new gear so you can be cool like your friends. I do not think Aion will escape this fate either. It is a problem with the MMO genre as a whole. After a couple of years the "social clubs" begin to form and getting into one of these is paramount if you want to see and enjoy the end game content in WoW or any other MMO. Not sure if Aion will even come close to being different in that regard. But, is is a nicely done game.

Originally posted by mrbbman

Some people who have played WoW for 4 years on and off are just plain sick of playing the same game for 4+ years. In the long run you are grinding instances and badges to get the new gear so you can be cool like your friends. I do not think Aion will escape this fate either. It is a problem with the MMO genre as a whole. After a couple of years the "social clubs" begin to form and getting into one of these is paramount if you want to see and enjoy the end game content in WoW or any other MMO. Not sure if Aion will even come close to being different in that regard. But, is is a nicely done game.

And that is why I hope Blizzards next MMO is designed similar to EVE in it's focus on horizontal progression, social structures and meaningful PVP. 

Originally posted by Miffin

It's coming up on the 5th anniversarry of World of Warcraft (AKA: WoW), and still no dominant game has emerged as a rival.  AoC made a small splash.  Warhammer flopped, and SOE fails everytime.  So the question is will WoW ever be dethroned? Of course we all say like everything else the market will go in cycles, however I'm not postitve that it will. With Blizzard holding 62% of the market, just based off WoW alone, I'd think it's safe to say that the MMO race is a pointless one or at least it seems over. Hell I think it's been over ever since the South Park episode. WoW  now has the crown and can not be dethroned. But then again I may be wrong and this may be a cycle. However WoW is certainly not going anywhere.

Wow has this chance comapred to other games, that it's very easy to go from 1 to max lvl without exterior help, and if a friend patronize you you'll be lvl 60 in a few days.

This ease of entry will probably allow the game to replace the quitters for the next 2 years.

As for who will dethrone WoW... only KOTOR has this chance. If it bombs, the next blizzard MMO will. SO we have to wait 2011 and 2013.

The way i see it, Blizzard will loose customers in the West in the coming years, but no game will just come along and takes it place.

I hope Aion doesnt beat wow, or else we will have the whole flock of sheep that is the wow community playing Aion