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I dont like the $50 up front cost. I realize this is standard, but I play EVE, and so didnt have to pay $50 for the first month. In fact, I paid $8 for the first month, then $15 after. Now that Im succesful in game, I play for free by using in game money to buy time. So, its asking a bit much to pay $50 for FE, unless i get 3 months included. |
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Originally posted by Seikninkuru
Have to disagree with you here. Some of the F2P games aren't that bad actually. While your statement that they are developed in Asia is correct, some have successfully transitioned over into the Western market, Perfect World International being a prime example of that with a very healthy following. Runes of Magic is another that is picking up a wide audience, even if it does borrow from WoW heavily. And while localization might be the focus of development, the asian market games they are based off of are still getting new content, so while it may be a year or so behind, you could say the western market is getting free new content all the time. |
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I gave in and grabbed the game via D2D so I could get into early access. I hope it's worth it! The Adventures of Fat Gamer - http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/FatGamer |
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Frankly I thought $50 was alot upfront as well, but it's hard to hate them for it because this is an indy company and they have been working on it since like 2003... I'm sure they really need the income. ---------------------------------- MMOs Currently (worth) Playing: None. MMO hopefuls: Age of Conan. |
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Originally posted by Raknar
Whenever I see someone claim LOTRO is a WoW copy, I see a sign screaming "I am an MMO noob and WoW was my first". LOTRO is based very strongly, gameplay and interface both, in AC2, the game whose engine it is using. All these supposed features that Turbine copied from Blizzard were present in AC2, which predated WoW by almost 2 years. Who is the copycat now? I wish I was a WoW noob, then these lame ass themeparks could hold me over. Play MMOs for as long as I have and everytime you load up a MMO that reminds you of EQ it makes you sick. Lotro may be based off the AC2 engine but that game was terrible also and nothing like the much more enjoyable AC1. Lotro is a Quest stacking farm with horrid combat/animations. Only thing that keeps lotro going are the hardcore Tolkien fanatics.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum |
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/agree Based on about 10 hours of OB play... The review was pretty spot on, IMO. Plenty of good ideas. Salvage is a must in a game like this. Crafting works fine. I like how counter-attacks are done in melee, etc. A skill based system sans classes. I like that! The opening screen and patcher works terrific, though I did have the issue where it wouldn't load until I defragged. Even so, this puts Funcoms patcher(on AoC, a live game!!!) to shame. Enjoyed how the tutorial ended immensely. This ain't no fantasy MMO... But the animations look very cheap in context of the game. Bad animations for a squatty little fantasy gnome or pokemon can be overlooked. But we know a bit more about how humans look when we move and when the animations are this bad, it just pulls you right out of the game. Pre-SWG stuff, these animations. Only used the one vehicle in the tutorial, so I can't say much about that, other than it moves pretty much like a toon, and not much like a vehicle. The textures and terrains look good, though the flora on the ground looks way too cloney. Again, reminding me of an improved texture version of a SWG environment. I'd hoped Fallen Earth would be a AAA game. Loved the whole Fallout series and hoped for someone to make a MMO in a similar genre. On paper, they got alot of things right. But in implementation, the way your toon moves and interacts with things... feels very f2p. My current judgement is, I hope they DON'T do a Fallout MMO as has been rumored. If they get the game close to the way they want it and put out a trial, I'll give it a second look. But no way would I drop 50-60 bucks on the box. Maybe it'll find its niche. But if you like the Post-apoc genre, don't assume you'll like this.
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Originally posted by metalhead980
Whenever I see someone claim LOTRO is a WoW copy, I see a sign screaming "I am an MMO noob and WoW was my first". LOTRO is based very strongly, gameplay and interface both, in AC2, the game whose engine it is using. All these supposed features that Turbine copied from Blizzard were present in AC2, which predated WoW by almost 2 years. Who is the copycat now? I wish I was a WoW noob, then these lame ass themeparks could hold me over. Play MMOs for as long as I have and everytime you load up a MMO that reminds you of EQ it makes you sick. Lotro may be based off the AC2 engine but that game was terrible also and nothing like the much more enjoyable AC1. Lotro is a Quest stacking farm with horrid combat/animations. Only thing that keeps lotro going are the hardcore Tolkien fanatics.
You know what they say about 'assume'? I started with Meridian 59, playing UO for 1 day before giving it away in disgust. I played EQ for several years and a host of other MMO's besides, including AO, AC, Lineage 2, Eve Online, etc. All the way up to this game here. And before that were the countless MUD's, like HoloMUD and Avatar. We all play games for different reasons. Any way you want to cut it, all of the games are similar, regardless of what genre it is. FPs, you always shoot at something while strafing. RTS? You gather resources, build armies and buildings, then destroy the other person. Adventure games? You collect items and solve puzzles. MMORPGs? You gain experience fighting monsters, completing quests, etc. It's /all/ the same in a different skin with minor differences. For me, it's about the community. No matter how good a game is, if the community is a bunch of 13 year olds mouthing off about how bad they are, then the game's not going to be fun for me. I didn't think LOTRO was as bad as you are claiming it is, and I almost became a founder through the pre-order program except for a Brst Buy fiasco, which made it seem like it was more trouble than it was worth. But in the end, it's just more of the same old, same old. |
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Inferior is a matter of taste... If only games like wow can charge 15 bucks then the genre will die out.. MMOs costs plenty to develop and money needs to pour into the company otherwise only bioware and blizzard will afford to make games. If companies cant match blizzards game excellence and they cant charge 15 USD as a result, then we wont see any more MMOs from small companies. Simple as that.. |
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15 dollers a month a lot lol,if you moan about spending 15 dollers a month you need to get a better job and stop being a tramp. |
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Originally posted by Rallycart
Neocron 2 release: 14.99 a month Planetside release: 14.99 month. That list has numerous errors in it. |
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HiGHPLAiNS
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Originally posted by Seikninkuru
I think you got your point across.. sorry I couldn't resist. ROFL! Fallen Earth / Lords of War |
Originally posted by cukimunga
One mans trash is another mans treasure.
Amen cuki. Of course, people who see themselves as an authority on everything won't agree with you. The thought that someone else could possibly disagree with them and be right escapes them. Taking it one farther in that there could exist a possibility of "multiple rights" on a given subject or that two different people could have two different tastes that are "right" for them (like one guy arguing Coca-cola is superior and another guy arguing Pepsi is superior; both are superior for the respective individual, but not universally superior)...well, that's just nonsense, they say, lol. There is no universally superior or inferior MMO. It can only be measured on an by individual basis. Certain things like refining natural materials and other processes of that like can be scientifically qualified as superior or inferior by multitudes of hard, fast numbers. Like making iron or steel. So, depending on the the subject, inferior and superior can be used as qualitative measurements, and are thus "subjective". MMO quality is based on human tastes, of which there is no universal concrete measure. |
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If you wait a few months the box price will fall. Given the state of this game, you might be better off waiting anyway. I was in the beta, and I'm going to hold off on buying the game at this time. Depending on how it develops, I might jump in down the road. The $15 subscription seems pretty standard anymore. I'm just not ready to give them that for the game right now. edit: spelling and grammer |
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Originally posted by Seikninkuru
I really start to loath that card. The matter is not if one can afford to pay $50 or not. If that would be my only expense, omg I wouldn't give a crap about it even if the game would be the worst ever. But you see, things add up, it's a small fee here and a small cost there. And so on... And the money slips away. I bougth strings for my guitar $30 or close (conversion rate], that's just $30. Ask anyone playing guitar if that is cheap. Sometimes I need to fuel the car. The list of these small costs ends up to 3 figures, sometimes 4 figures. And I think about if I want to or if things really are needed even if only equals someting like $5. No not because I need to find what is wrong with my life, just simply because there is a bottom in the money pit. I would rather think that if you are going to reconsider what you are spending money on, finding the faults in your life, because you for the moment "can't afford" to pay for a game. If... then you really are out on thin ice here. I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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Whenever I read complaints on games about graphics I have a "zipper moment". As all guys know (and this is a bit of a tangent) if you mis-zip your pants zipper, your more than likely never going to repeat that mistake again. Now back on track for me, Onimusha was a "zipper-moment" for game play and purchasing. I admit I love the graphics and dished out the $50 for it. I finished the game i under 2-days and was sorely disappointed for it. As hyped as the game was and as great as it was graphically, its wasn't either very dynamic or kept me hooked. As far as mmo's go, you won't find examples really of a game having incredible graphics as well as a great storyline. Closest I'd put in is EVE really. Fallen Earth won't have the same graphic-content as a game say Aion does but its like comic books; Marvel always was better drawn but DC had the better storyline and the latter stayed afloat longer. But that's the catch really, what do you value really in a game? Fallen Earth isn't such a throwback that you'll feel like your playing Ultima or EQ visually speaking. But if the storyline sucks, what does that leave you with? As far as observations go, I think more of the mature audience that prefer substance and content will take and accept Fallen Earth. And as far as the fee goes, $15 a month is generous given I spend more on McDonalds Coffee a month (throw in Starbucks and DD and seriously, that's REALLY generous). For those that get caught up with graphics, by all means, play WoW, play Aion or something else. I don't think those on FE will mind at all. One thing to remember is after playing a month, will content keep players or its good-looks? |
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Just a couple little points imho. #1 - I do not quite understand why some of you think this game should be cheaper since it's from an indie company and not "AAA". The last 5 "AAA" games I have played were not worth the poo ring around my toilet, ala WAR, Conan, CO, CoH, (BASICALLY EVERY GAME SINCE WOW with a rat dick small # of exceptions) which brings me to the conclusion that a game is worth what it's worth to the individual player. If you complain about the price then you should probably find yourself another game. Of course this is just my opinion but this game so far exceeds the above listed titles by leaps and bounds even with FEs little pecadillos. I love sandbox games. Eve you rock but I grow weary of spaceships. #2 - If you cannot afford $50 and $15 a month (not including the month and a half "free" gametime that comes with preorder) then you honestly need to get your scrub fingers off the keyboard long enough to find a job. The way I figure it I think it is safe to say the average mmo player spends at least 20 hours a week playing his / her game. If you take that conservative figure and factor in a months playtime at about 80 hours a month divided by $15 thats about 19 cents an hour. If you cannot afford 19 cents an hour for a hobby then I really feel sorry for your girlfriends. #3 - Nobody likes a broke ass |
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Originally posted by scribe331
Sorry have to reiterate. Grow up, move out from mom & dad. There is not only one expense you will have have, and nope you will not be able to pay just $50 one after another... Unless ofcourse you still live at home and no need to think longer the the span of the nose and can whine to get the next shine thing for your own pleasurement. FE is not the only avaible and interesting game to play, and for sure not the only hobby people have that play MMO's. $50 - Eating some cheap fastfood. That equals $600, and for shure that list could be made twice as long. For things that I can really don't need and I really could de well without buying. And skipping any one of them, people like you would ask me to reconsider my economic situation. There is other things more expensive things that do need to pay for after leaving mom & das house, adding to the nonessential things to spend money on. Get a grip. Nothing on that list is worth that thougth, no matter how much I like it, especially not one singled out item. It won't turn out to 19cents/h in real life, especially when going into it with it just (another) $50 in mind. --------- In your pocket, not one penny, And as for friends, you don't have any.
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Obidom
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I found Fallen Earth on D2D fro £36.95. that still cheaper than most games I pay for from a shop However with a massive stack of MMO due and other games to play the question is 'Will I have time to play this?' Least my latest MMO purchase was a Lifetime sub so that ok http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Norsefire-logo.png |
Originally posted by Orphes
I'm lost on your whole post. What does those other things have to do with the price of Fallen Earth. You want me to say is it to much, and then say I got other things I have to pay for? What sense does that make at all. No one cares about your other crap, your bills, etc. People say is it to much and I can't afford it means one thing: I do not have an extra 50 to spend on the game, simple as that. So people say, "dude you got more issues than being able to afford a game each month." Why? Because if you can not afford 15 a month, you got serious monetary issues, and the last thing you should be worried about is playing a video game. Your other hobbies and wasteful spending have no relation to whether this is priced to your liking or not. You choose to spend money on other things. To me Fallen Earth IS the only interesting game to play. So basically your whole statement is your point of view on nothing but a bunch on stuff that has no reason behind it other than you want to save a buck or two. I have two kids(23months and 4weeks old) and Fallen Earth is the only hobby I have. So like I said, $50 bucks is a fair price, a f2p MMO appeals to me about as much as a turd coming out of my ass. |
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Originally posted by Orphes
Sorry have to reiterate. Grow up, move out from mom & dad. There is not only one expense you will have have, and nope you will not be able to pay just $50 one after another... Unless ofcourse you still live at home and no need to think longer the the span of the nose and can whine to get the next shine thing for your own pleasurement. FE is not the only avaible and interesting game to play, and for sure not the only hobby people have that play MMO's. $50 - Eating some cheap fastfood. That equals $600, and for shure that list could be made twice as long. For things that I can really don't need and I really could de well without buying. And skipping any one of them, people like you would ask me to reconsider my economic situation. There is other things more expensive things that do need to pay for after leaving mom & das house, adding to the nonessential things to spend money on. Get a grip. Nothing on that list is worth that thougth, no matter how much I like it, especially not one singled out item. It won't turn out to 19cents/h in real life, especially when going into it with it just (another) $50 in mind. --------- In your pocket, not one penny, And as for friends, you don't have any.
Well, stop complaining about it. I mean, it isn't going to change. Just man up, make a damn decision and roll with it. Decide not to eat cheap fast food once this month and buy the game OR go stuff your face with a as much unhealthy fast food as you can for $50. What I get from this is you want to try to have it all and can't go with out one for one month to make the one time $50 payment on the other. If you can't make it one month without one of those...well, other things are wrong. For instance, next month you don't need to buy $50 in guitar strings, unless you really suck at playing guitar and tear these two you just bought up. So, in your $600 budget you just listed, you could purchase a game, or take that block of $50 and use $30 out of it to pay your subscription fees for FE and Aion if you've already purchased them. Then you still have $20 left to spend on something trivial or, better yet, put into savings. Almost everyone has expenses. It just sounds like you didn't know that people have to manage those expenses and pick and choose and sometimes go without their usual luxury expenses to get something else that they want. |
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Originally posted by Khalathwyr
... I already bougth the game. Yeah I am complaining though. Because you see... None of the people over at guitarfourm would call me to look over my economic situation if I didn't buy those 2 set of strings because... well. Neither would my friends tell me to look at my economy if I would skip that fastfood. And if it wouldn't be fastfood/strings it would have been something else. (I really should not taking the string into comparison, that is a cost that won't budge on and is regular one.) Those things, really, are not worth it. Neither is it worth to look over your economy over a lousy game, or a simple fastfood or whatever. That is where I am saying get a grip. It would be a different thing, if your only expense was $50 (or whatever) but c'mon it isn't if one are, as suggested earlier, not living at mom&dad. What I am saying is that there is no such thing as just another $50 if you don't want to come out broke ;) Things add up with that reasoning behind it, just another one... But I recognize what you say... if you have only $45 left of the paycheck today, you're in trouble. But there also another side of it, when you recognize that you have to keep your money and doing so even if you $800 left in the wallet. Because you don't want to end up with $45 2 weeks before the paycheck is due. And yeah I often consider myself to not afford a few things costing less because I in the end need the money for something else, but that doesnt make it necessary to even remotely consider my economic situation. :S (BTW my signature is not saying I having economic trouble.) ----------- Regardless I hesitated before buying this game, I'm starting to feel like a subscription based game shouldn't cost a regular full price anymore. Not this nor any other new and wellrenomed game. I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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Originally posted by kilun
Because things add up... and then you are broke. And you have to hit the brakes before that and decide you can't afford it. And it doesn't matter if is a game or whatever it is. I'm not even remotely thinking you or anyone else is slightest interested in my expenses. (It's a list of clear examples so don't bother asking why I put them there.) Sure I can afford $15 a month over and over until well when. When should I decide that I can't? You tell for how long you think it's just $15, $50 or whatever. Until you are all out of money or before? And also answer if you honestly thinks that decision makes you have monetary problems. (No you really don't need to literally reply as I expect you to have sane answer to that.) So no, decidng that one can't afford to pay yet another small fee on something is not even close to mean economic problems. Yet people often says so, and drawing that card is useless really. I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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Originally posted by selobthegod
You're an eye candy whore, then again you can't help it, you've been suckered into the hype generated by video card companies and console makers. Stop being a lemming. If the game isn't fun for you thats fine but don't hate it because the graphics don't arouse you like you want them to. What eye candy whores fail to realize is alot of these development studios CAN release games with realistic graphics but choose not to for various reasons. One reason being high system requirements. If wow was full of shiny, mind numbing eye candy I doubt it would have the number of subs it does now. Low system requirements = more players = more money for publishers / dev teams = more content, patches, expansions for us = game longevity. I hate eye candy whores. |
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Originally posted by Spiritof55
You're an eye candy whore, then again you can't help it, you've been suckered into the hype generated by video card companies and console makers. Stop being a lemming. If the game isn't fun for you thats fine but don't hate it because the graphics don't arouse you like you want them to. What eye candy whores fail to realize is alot of these development studios CAN release games with realistic graphics but choose not to for various reasons. One reason being high system requirements. If wow was full of shiny, mind numbing eye candy I doubt it would not have the number of subs it does now. Low system requirements = more players = more money for publishers / dev teams = more content, patches, expansions for us = game longevity. I hate eye candy whores.
Thats kind of mean. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a game with amazing graphics. I like eye candy though I have come to appreciate stylized graphcs for two reasons. 1 It extremely extends the life of a game by not dating itself by graphics quality and as you said reduces system requirements. 2. As the graphics are pushed closer and closer to realism the more fake and plastic characters looks to me. The above two reason for me apply to MMOs I expect high quality eye popping graphics in single player games. BUT it isn't a crime to want or enjoy eye candy. I kinda hope that MMOs will look as good as MassEffect graphics in 10 years. I dont expect it but i hope for it. Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR |
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Originally posted by Orphes
Ok, so what I am getting is at your post is your just bad with money management like a lot of people?(My brother couldn't balance his checkbook if you had a gun to his head everyday of the week) Me on the other hand, I've had to scrape to pay bills when I went through college, so that is a non-issue for me. When should you decide you can't pay 15 over and over? When you decide it isn't worth a turd coming out your ass. As soon as I get tired of a game, whether I have 1 month left and its the beginning, or I bought a 3 month and got tired of it 10days in I quit. Cancel and never log back in(not always uninstall) Now your last comment about "Paying another small fee." I'll say it again, it boils down to a monetary issue. Everyone has certain bills they must pay(unless of course your just a rich mofo and have everything bought and paid for on a whim when you want it, but for the rest of us normal peeps) and certain indulgences they want. The question is do you want the additional indulgence or not. To me and I would imagine a lot of people on this website the monthly fee is an indulgence they want. I literally feel odd not paying for a monthly fee for a game. In the months I have none to pay, I go donate some dough to keep a website I frequently visit up and running. So really man, it boils down to you and what you think is worth it based on all your other financial obligations. |
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