Anybody like WoW's PvP over other MMOs? If so why.

I see a lot of trash talking about WoW's PvP, but yet when I played during TBC and early WoTLK, I notice thatr most of the time the BGs were packed, and the LWG would be slaming with tons of players.

If WoW's PvP sucks so much as the MMO community puts it, then why do so many play it? Why do you like WoW's PvP?

I am betting most people who are pvping there are for the gear associated with honor. Take away the gear rewards and the pvp would be very empty.

The one thing I do like about the pvp (really the game in general) is the smoothness of play. However, when I did play WoW it was mostly pve, for pvp I played other games.

well PvP has changed trough the years.

For me it started out being fun. PvE and PvP where balanced, i was a Tank (warrior) in vanilla WoW and i was a valuable player in PvP. Not that i killed alot of people but i carried alot of flags in WSG i was indestructible. in AV i could take the damage of all the oposite players (40) and push them back to there base just by slowly walking (yes the days AV actually still was about pvp) and Arathi basin i could hold a flag from 10 players for 2 mins with them not being able to kill me or cap it before reinforcements arived. ( 1v1 battle's could last a long time depending on class)

Second phase lvl 70 Honour rank system destroyed, Arena system released with resillience gear. I hated this. i PvP'd for fun. i wanted to get away from the PvE pressure of concentrating and jsut have fun wich in arena's does not work.. damage got so high in PvE that resilience had to be introduced to keep PvP balanced. (if not in resilience gear u where done for)

phase 3 WotLK lvl 80 damage increased by alot more. No Balance whatsoever in PvP i get killed by paladins in 5 secs (or less) flat. in that same time i could have mabey gotten 3 hits in including my auto attack. The Damage is just too high for evrything to still be balanced especially without arena gear (wich i stil dont do therefore stil dont have). Blizzard teared apart the rift between PvE and PvP. to give PvP'ers there own special little place. but they are forgetting that in the outside world people dont have resilience gear and get 3shotted without having a slightest chanse to do anything..

They are workign on arena gear trough rated BG's but its already too late. Stats should not have increased but that much over the years. Or wich i favor  outdoor PvP damage needs a change wich would make resilience absoleet and let BG's and outdoor PvP'ers be on another playign field  as arena people aka  PvE, PvP, Arena.

Edit.

To awnser your question :P do i like other PvP better? well.. i dont know. im not really playign any other phantasy MMO exept EQ2 wich focuses on PvE more or less :)

Yuo say you liked the Old PvP,

But even though Damage has got higher,

the only trade off from Vanilla WoW, is that the Hps were smaller back then. you could still get One Shotted back then.

please dont tell me you forgot about that stuff back then.  Chain Lighting Spaming Shamans, one shotting people off Cliff in AV.

Dam it was fun, but the Damage/Hp ratio back then was way more close then now, which allowed for more one shotting

Originally posted by arenasb

I am betting most people who are pvping there are for the gear associated with honor. Take away the gear rewards and the pvp would be very empty.

The one thing I do like about the pvp (really the game in general) is the smoothness of play. However, when I did play WoW it was mostly pve, for pvp I played other games.

Most people do this for all MMORPG with PvP.

Guild Wars-  you grind PvP for Titles and Skill Deck Ablitiy cards

 When I left WoW the only reason people where pvping still in that game was because the bloody pvp gear was better or just as good as most of the raiding gear. 

Just something else that pissed me off, no, not only do you no longer need any skill to kill raid bosses but if you soo stupid as to not be able to kill some of the easiest bosses I've ever seen, You can always get just as good epic's by dying each week wheather in BG's or Arenas till you get enough points for your ghetto epics.

Just remembering this puts a bad taste in my mouth. Just how easy the game has become. 

Originally posted by Hepisodic

 When I left WoW the only reason people where pvping still in that game was because the bloody pvp gear was better or just as good as most of the raiding gear. 

 

Just something else that pissed me off, no, not only do you no longer need any skill to kill raid bosses but if you soo stupid as to not be able to kill some of the easiest bosses I've ever seen, You can always get just as good epic's by dying each week wheather in BG's or Arenas till you get enough points for your ghetto epics.

 

Just remembering this puts a bad taste in my mouth. Just how easy the game has become. 

You need to stop listening to those Rumors. Most people didnt even get to touch Illidan nor Kel in Sunwell. I like to see your Raid do those in PvP gear only.

Early Raids, yes, but those were designed to be easier and more casual friendly

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And Epic or not, the Original Vanalla WoW gave PvP gear aswell. I think most of the hatered comes from the fact that their name has a purple font. If Blizzard would have changed the font to blue and nothing else, people wouldnt have even said a word probably

Originally posted by tro44_1

Yuo say you liked the Old PvP,

But even though Damage has got higher,

the only trade off from Vanilla WoW, is that the Hps were smaller back then. you could still get One Shotted back then.

please dont tell me you forgot about that stuff back then.  Chain Lighting Spaming Shamans, one shotting people off Cliff in AV.

Dam it was fun, but the Damage/Hp ratio back then was way more close then now, which allowed for more one shotting

you are forgetting tho that those shamans wich did 25k damage whered buffed to the max and stuff.  no normal shaman would be able to do that  www.youtube.com/watch . This is not a normal PvP situation. this is but  bugged he had deathwish and MS wich was a bug at the time www.youtube.com/watch

yes Hp was lower. speccially of cloth users. both msot of the people getting hit dont already have alot of Hp i agree with you the Damage/Hp ratio was closer. but now people can  do 5 actions in 1 push of a button (hi paladins)  wich is retarded without pvp gear. stuff was more balanced back then.

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Hepisodic

 When I left WoW the only reason people where pvping still in that game was because the bloody pvp gear was better or just as good as most of the raiding gear. 

 

Just something else that pissed me off, no, not only do you no longer need any skill to kill raid bosses but if you soo stupid as to not be able to kill some of the easiest bosses I've ever seen, You can always get just as good epic's by dying each week wheather in BG's or Arenas till you get enough points for your ghetto epics.

 

Just remembering this puts a bad taste in my mouth. Just how easy the game has become. 

 

You need to stop listening to those Rumors. Most people didnt even get to touch Illidan nor Kel in Sunwell. I like to see your Raid do those in PvP gear only.

Early Raids, yes, but those were designed to be easier and more casual friendly

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And Epic or not, the Original Vanalla WoW gave PvP gear aswell. I think most of the hatered comes from the fact that their name has a purple font. If Blizzard would have changed the font to blue and nothing else, people wouldnt have even said a word probably

Actually. As my guild downed Illidan and Kel pre-nerfs we did use pvp gear. For a couple of fights we used only pvp gear for the stupid high stam and resistance. So...rumors....no.

WoW's PvP was fun in early BC, there was a relative balance back then.
Now not so much, when all classes got an overall equal precentage just because they got a spec that can blow up another player in 5 seconds, sometimes without even being able to react.
In my opinion, BC's design was better,they just had to balance druids and warriors a little bit and current WoW's PvP would have been better than GW's.

Around 2-3 years ago WOWs pvp was a lot better than it is now . The classes were more did have imbalances back then but they were not quite as bad as they are now . You also got a lot of world pvp in game areas outside of wintersgrasp ( which is a laggy glorified battleground) . The battlegrounds were also more interesting in the past simply because people realised a loss ment a lot less honor which in turn led to having to wait a lot longer for the item you wanted , this in turn led to tactical play . That all gone now because win or lose you dont really get pretty decent honor so its all zerg which is boring . Two weeks before the release of Aion i would say yes it offers the best pvp still , Warhammer pvp can be fun at times but it gets a bit dull as it goes on later in the game . Age of Conan can be ok but its  a real gank fest on a pvp server because of the lack of factions . Lord of the Rings is about to offer extended PVP play in what appears to be a very different way from other mmos because it looks like it will involve npcs . but things are all about to change in two weeks in lots of ways .

WAR sucked, but had interaction detection, meaning that you can't just run through other players.  That was the best feature of WAR, as sometimes there would be strategic chokepoints for tanks to hold while DPS could nuke from behind.  Some of the scenarios in WAR were better than any in WoW.  Aion has good, balanced PvP in a World setting as well.

WoW's strongpoint is arena, and really only a few class combinations are good for it.  Battlegrounds are a joke and there is no such thing as World PvP.  There is no reason to want to do World PvP other than griefing others.

I do enjoy WoWs PvP more than any other game I have played.. I think its the pace and the overall flow of combat that does it for me.. The rewards are just part of the journey.

Capped lvl players can have too high stat difference because of gear they wear. The idea that someone simply cuts through you, because he had more time to do some mindless grind, is ridiculous for competetive PVP. Which makes this arena PVP a big NO to me (I dont care so much for stat differences in world PVP).

Guild Wars GvG (Guild vs Guild maps) has the best balanced arena based PVP ive seen to date. WAR RVR is also more balanced then WoW world PVP. But it also suffers from the factions flaw where one faction always outnumbers the other faction. 

But still, there is no reason not to like WoW PVP, as long as you dont expect it to be balanced enough for a competition.

Originally posted by lethys

WAR sucked, but had interaction detection, meaning that you can't just run through other players.  That was the best feature of WAR, as sometimes there would be strategic chokepoints for tanks to hold while DPS could nuke from behind.  Some of the scenarios in WAR were better than any in WoW.  Aion has good, balanced PvP in a World setting as well.

 

WoW's strongpoint is arena, and really only a few class combinations are good for it.  Battlegrounds are a joke and there is no such thing as World PvP.  There is no reason to want to do World PvP other than griefing others.

I pretty much agree with this. Fast and smooth responsive controls of the avatars makes WOW the best PvP game.

In WOW you fight the enemy instead of the game mechanics and sluggish CDT.

Also in WOW no autofacing and no auto-following your target (attacking from behind negates dodge and parry also), that makes jumping over the targets to attack from behind a skill. Of course as the OP trolls WOW for Aion, that makes Aion a real laugh in PvP for serious pvp players. Autofollowing a target - you can't call this a serious attempt at PvP.

So positioning IS important as is the LOS (Arena is perfectly done for Lines of Sight).

Everyone knows Arena is a perfect balancing datamine for both the players AND developpers (every class is represented in the top 5 teams of 5>vs5). Every game that doesn't have an arena rating system can NOT resort to data in a controlled and traceable setting of PvP fights. So a game without a kind of arena balancing tools is always a dud in PvP.

Blizzard already pointed out that OUT of the game Arena competition (with free choice of gear)  has the SAME winner players as the IN game competition. Meaning the core mechanics are about skill in the top players of the world.

In Wow, players can at least discuss with data in hand tx to arena data.

---> In patch 3.3 OR CAT the rated BG's will be back in the game. Making those complaining threads about Arena/BG's old.

As for world PvP: that is simply an uncontrolled mess of "biggest group that gets healed wins"  (zergy and dull and ganky).

Originally posted by Zorndorf

In WOW you fight the enemy instead of the game mechanics and sluggish CDT.

Also in WOW no autofacing and no auto-following your target (attacking from behind negates dodge and parry also), that makes jumping over the targets to attack from behind a skill. Of course as the OP trolls WOW for Aion, that makes Aion a real laugh in PvP for serious pvp players. Autofollowing a target - you can't call this a serious attempt at PvP.

So positioning IS important as is the LOS (Arena is perfectly done for Lines of Sight).

Everyone knows Arena is a perfect balancing datamine for both the players AND developpers (every class is represented in the top 5 teams of 5>vs5). Every game that doesn't have an arena rating system can NOT resort to data in a controlled and traceable setting of PvP fights. So a game without a kind of arena balancing tools is always a dud in PvP.

Blizzard already pointed out that OUT of the game Arena competition (with free choice of gear)  has the SAME winner players as the IN game competition. Meaning the core mechanics are about skill in the top players of the world.

In Wow, players can at least discuss with data in hand tx to arena data.

---> In patch 3.3 OR CAT the rated BG's will be back in the game. Making those complaining threads about Arena/BG's old.

As for world PvP: that is simply an uncontrolled mess of "biggest group that gets healed wins"  (zergy and dull and ganky).

 

Just Lol to that. Something that everyone and their mother does in a game is not a skill. WoW's pvp was ok pre-bc and even beginning of BC. After that it's just laughable at best. 

Originally posted by Hepisodic

Originally posted by Zorndorf

In WOW you fight the enemy instead of the game mechanics and sluggish CDT.

Also in WOW no autofacing and no auto-following your target (attacking from behind negates dodge and parry also), that makes jumping over the targets to attack from behind a skill. Of course as the OP trolls WOW for Aion, that makes Aion a real laugh in PvP for serious pvp players. Autofollowing a target - you can't call this a serious attempt at PvP.

So positioning IS important as is the LOS (Arena is perfectly done for Lines of Sight).

Everyone knows Arena is a perfect balancing datamine for both the players AND developpers (every class is represented in the top 5 teams of 5>vs5). Every game that doesn't have an arena rating system can NOT resort to data in a controlled and traceable setting of PvP fights. So a game without a kind of arena balancing tools is always a dud in PvP.

Blizzard already pointed out that OUT of the game Arena competition (with free choice of gear)  has the SAME winner players as the IN game competition. Meaning the core mechanics are about skill in the top players of the world.

In Wow, players can at least discuss with data in hand tx to arena data.

---> In patch 3.3 OR CAT the rated BG's will be back in the game. Making those complaining threads about Arena/BG's old.

As for world PvP: that is simply an uncontrolled mess of "biggest group that gets healed wins"  (zergy and dull and ganky).

 

 

Just Lol to that. Something that everyone and their mother does in a game is not a skill. WoW's pvp was ok pre-bc and even beginning of BC. After that it's just laughable at best. 

Using a word like "lol" is not giving any added counter value to what I wrote above.

You bring nothing to the table in terms of valuable arguments, because simply you can't seem to understand the logic.

Originally posted by tro44_1

Anybody like WoW's PvP over other MMOs? If so why.

I see a lot of trash talking about WoW's PvP, but yet when I played during TBC and early WoTLK, I notice thatr most of the time the BGs were packed, and the LWG would be slaming with tons of players.

If WoW's PvP sucks so much as the MMO community puts it, then why do so many play it? Why do you like WoW's PvP?

Well, Wow is not a bad game but it is getting rather old now. Also it is more of a beginner MMO than many other games. Nothing wrong with that of course but this site have many players who played MMOs since long before Wow and many of those think that Wow is too easy.

As for the PvP it is better than games like EQ2 and Vanguard but not at all as good as Eve or Guildwars. In fact do many of the Wow players I know play Guildwars at the side to get the Arenastyled combat only GW offers (GW have no monthly fees making it perfect as a alt game).

I don't see any reason to say Wow stinks, it appeals to many players but I don't think it is so great either. It's gameplay don't offer the challenge I want, or at least very little of it. And the PvP is too slow for my taste. All that said I wont look down on anyone else for liking wow, taste differs and the game is very nicely programmed and polished.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Hepisodic

Originally posted by Zorndorf

In WOW you fight the enemy instead of the game mechanics and sluggish CDT.

Also in WOW no autofacing and no auto-following your target (attacking from behind negates dodge and parry also), that makes jumping over the targets to attack from behind a skill. Of course as the OP trolls WOW for Aion, that makes Aion a real laugh in PvP for serious pvp players. Autofollowing a target - you can't call this a serious attempt at PvP.

So positioning IS important as is the LOS (Arena is perfectly done for Lines of Sight).

Everyone knows Arena is a perfect balancing datamine for both the players AND developpers (every class is represented in the top 5 teams of 5>vs5). Every game that doesn't have an arena rating system can NOT resort to data in a controlled and traceable setting of PvP fights. So a game without a kind of arena balancing tools is always a dud in PvP.

Blizzard already pointed out that OUT of the game Arena competition (with free choice of gear)  has the SAME winner players as the IN game competition. Meaning the core mechanics are about skill in the top players of the world.

In Wow, players can at least discuss with data in hand tx to arena data.

---> In patch 3.3 OR CAT the rated BG's will be back in the game. Making those complaining threads about Arena/BG's old.

As for world PvP: that is simply an uncontrolled mess of "biggest group that gets healed wins"  (zergy and dull and ganky).

 

 

Just Lol to that. Something that everyone and their mother does in a game is not a skill. WoW's pvp was ok pre-bc and even beginning of BC. After that it's just laughable at best. 

 

Using a word like "lol" is not giving any added counter value to what I wrote above.

You bring nothing to the table in terms of valuable arguments, because simply you can't seem to understand the logic.

 

Understand the logic? You Sir are  crazy. There is no logic to WoW's pvp anymore. A game where a 10 year old can kill you by simply slaming his face into his keyboard and rolling back and forth is not a game of "skill".

Using a word like "lol" is more than plenty to counter anything as stupid as what you wrote because anything more would just overkill your "points".

WoW's pvp was yes at one point good, and maybe even great. Back when classes didn't have one button that basically says for its note: "Click this to instantly fuck up other guy"

WoW's pvp is utter fail now. Both War and AoC have better pvp than WoW. L2 also has better pvp than WoW, hell Lego Universe even has better pvp than WoW. In Blizzards attempt to make as much F'in money as possible they killed the game for pro gamers in both PVE and PVP. This is widely known. 

Originally posted by SlyLoK

I do enjoy WoWs PvP more than any other game I have played.. I think its the pace and the overall flow of combat that does it for me.. The rewards are just part of the journey.

Same.   I especially love Wintergrasp with the siege machines and what not.   The one thing I do not like though is the afk leachers in AV and such.   Plus the way people play AV is stupid.   People rarely fight, all they wish to do is cap.   Blizzard needs to change this to get people to actually wish to PvP.   I have been in AV where just a handful of us actually killed anyone from the opposing side.    Stupid.  AV needs huge changes.

As fo Wintergrasp, though I love to play it, thoguh it is easily exploitable and the Alliance players taught me how to do it when I caught them exploiting and Blizzard refuses to change it or to make it un-exploitable.   So either you use the same tactics or you loose Wintergrasp.   So the exploiting continues on both sides and I have seen battles last less than 5 minutes due to these exploits unless you know how to counter the people using them and force them to actually fight.  Then it is awesome.

In WoW PvP is like a microcasm of chess in one on one battles.    It's like playing chess at a fast pace as you try to counter the moves and attacks of the opponent at a fast pace.   Counter with the wrong attack and you might open yourself up for an attack from the opposing player that you cannot recover from.    That is how I see it.    I especially love to fight players that know their classes strengths and weaknesses.   I have faught players to stalmates before where neither of us was winning.   So we'd wave at each other and be on our marry way to find someone we could kill.   LOL!

Originally posted by Teala

In WoW PvP is like a microcasm of chess in one on one battles.    It's like playing chess at a fast pace as you try to counter the moves and attacks of the opponent at a fast pace.   Counter with the wrong attack and you might open yourself up for an attack from the opposing player that you cannot recover from.    That is how I see it.    I especially love to fight players that know their classes strengths and weaknesses.   I have faught players to stalmates before where neither of us was winning.   So we'd wave at each other and be on our marry way to find someone we could kill.   LOL!

Comparing WOW pvp to chess?  Now it truly has gotten ridiculous.

Edit: Typo due to my shock.

Originally posted by Teala
 

Same.   I especially love Wintergrasp with the siege machines and what not.   The one thing I do not like though is the afk leachers in AV and such.   Plus the way people play AV is stupid.   People rarely fight, all they wish to do is cap.   Blizzard needs to change this to get people to actually wish to PvP.   I have been in AV where just a handful of us actually killed anyone from the opposing side.    Stupid.  AV needs huge changes.

When AV is played properly, there will be pvp encounters - since a small force counterattacking against towers and graveyards can easily force the enemy to commit 3 times as many defenders*. If your team (and the opposition) play AV poorly then that's your fault - it's not a problem with the battleground.

^{*since the counter attacking group only needs to be in one place. But the attacker must be prepared to guard every objective he is trying to capture.}

Originally posted by Teala

In WoW PvP is like a microcasm of chess in one on one battles.    It's like playing chess at a fast pace as you try to counter the moves and attacks of the opponent at a fast pace.   Counter with the wrong attack and you might open yourself up for an attack from the opposing player that you cannot recover from.    That is how I see it.    I especially love to fight players that know their classes strengths and weaknesses.   I have faught players to stalmates before where neither of us was winning.   So we'd wave at each other and be on our marry way to find someone we could kill.   LOL!

You haven't played much chess have you?

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Teala

In WoW PvP is like a microcasm of chess in one on one battles.    It's like playing chess at a fast pace as you try to counter the moves and attacks of the opponent at a fast pace.   Counter with the wrong attack and you might open yourself up for an attack from the opposing player that you cannot recover from.    That is how I see it.    I especially love to fight players that know their classes strengths and weaknesses.   I have faught players to stalmates before where neither of us was winning.   So we'd wave at each other and be on our marry way to find someone we could kill.   LOL!

Comparing WOW pvp to chess?  Now it truly has gotten ridiculous.

 

Edit: Typo due to my shock.

Yes, because it certainly takes a different skill set than an FPS.  You have to know what works best against what class.  Know how to play you class.?  Do you think there is a class in WoW that is a one button wonder class that cannot be defeated or something?  LOL!   If you are going to bring up or compare WoW to an FPS don't even go there because they are not alike.  Second if you think WAR's PvP is good compared to WoW's PvP I going to have to say give me some of what you re smoking.   If you are going to say Aions PvP is good again...I have played Aion and it's PvP is not much different than WoW's and I'll take WoW's over Aion's any day.  AoC's PvP is decent, but then again it is borked because a lot of classes there are one button wonders and you are going to loose to them no matter how good you can play your toon - which is why Funcom is constantly messing with balance issues.

So...tell me wise one...what PvP to you consider best.   EvE's?  EvE is about skill sets and your ship and how you build it.    I know players that can kill you without you even knowing they are present (snipering from 250km)and  is like taking candy from a baby.    EvE has good PvP as long as the people are equally matched and most battles in EvE revolve around small zerg forces against one lone target.    I play EvE so I know the story there.

So wise one...tell me what PvP is better than WoW's currrently?