Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by toddze

 i hate wow, i never played it.

 

  That makes perfect sense.

 

Yes it does.

I have friends (rl and gaming friends) with very very similar gaming ideals. IF they tell me something from another game that they dont like, its 99.9% sure that I wont like it. Its not just MMO's. Anything from single player games to MMO's. I have saved a bundle of cash from listening to them. When I went aginst their opinion I was burnt.

Also I am pretty good at reading real reviews and deciding from them if the game is for me or not.

Keep in mind I loved Warcraft, played them countless hours and a huge Bnet fanatic. Loved the lore as-well. With WoW its not hard to tell at all that I would hate it. It goes aginst just about everything I look for in an MMO. So if your one of those people who have to play a game to know thats fine.

Another Example: Aion, I am not a PvP fan so do I have to play Aion to know I wont care much for it? Hell no, I know I wont like it so whats the point. Unless I read some reviews on a great PvE system I am skipping this game. It would be stupid for me to buy Aion and then be pissed that its a PvP focus.

Originally posted by Zoulz

 It's a well known fact that Wow is in a class of it's own in regards to MMOs.

The only class WoW is in is a special ed class. I am so SICK of hearing people speak of WoW as if it is something special. Blizzard did the same thing it has done over the years. It found a good game by another company, slapped some new paint on it, added a frill or two and then dumbed it down. Then it releases the game like some holy grail of gaming.

Just becuase you have the most subscribers does not make a game great. The only thing WoW has achieved is to awaken the world to the MMO community.

As for Aion it is yet another attempt to stick something in a genre that has been done to death and claim it is new.  It will quietly melt down as so many others have and fade into the background except for in the minds of a few rabid fanboys.

Originally posted by Mopar63

Originally posted by Zoulz

 It's a well known fact that Wow is in a class of it's own in regards to MMOs.

 

The only class WoW is in is a special ed class. I am so SICK of hearing people speak of WoW as if it is something special. Blizzard did the same thing it has done over the years. It found a good game by another company, slapped some new paint on it, added a frill or two and then dumbed it down. Then it releases the game like some holy grail of gaming.

Just becuase you have the most subscribers does not make a game great. The only thing WoW has achieved is to awaken the world to the MMO community.

As for Aion it is yet another attempt to stick something in a genre that has been done to death and claim it is new.  It will quietly melt down as so many others have and fade into the background except for in the minds of a few rabid fanboys.

 

lets revisit this thread in 6 months, and then a year.  Those rabid fanboiz have found thier "niche" game.  It may not kill WoW in the western market, but it should thrive imo.

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

Originally posted by Mopar63

Originally posted by Zoulz

 It's a well known fact that Wow is in a class of it's own in regards to MMOs.

 

The only class WoW is in is a special ed class. I am so SICK of hearing people speak of WoW as if it is something special. Blizzard did the same thing it has done over the years. It found a good game by another company, slapped some new paint on it, added a frill or two and then dumbed it down. Then it releases the game like some holy grail of gaming.

Just becuase you have the most subscribers does not make a game great. The only thing WoW has achieved is to awaken the world to the MMO community.

As for Aion it is yet another attempt to stick something in a genre that has been done to death and claim it is new.  It will quietly melt down as so many others have and fade into the background except for in the minds of a few rabid fanboys.

 

 

lets revisit this thread in 6 months, and then a year.  Those rabid fanboiz have found thier "niche" game.  It may not kill WoW in the western market, but it should thrive imo.

I agree, after my stint in CB, while the game is not something i will buy i see it being around for a long time. Not a WOW killer but a good solid title.

Considering Aion has been in OB for what... one day now?  It might be a bit early to call it pandemic.

Ken

Originally posted by toddze

Yes it does.

I have friends (rl and gaming friends) with very very similar gaming ideals. IF they tell me something from another game that they dont like, its 99.9% sure that I wont like it. Its not just MMO's. Anything from single player games to MMO's. I have saved a bundle of cash from listening to them. When I went aginst their opinion I was burnt.

Also I am pretty good at reading real reviews and deciding from them if the game is for me or not.

Keep in mind I loved Warcraft, played them countless hours and a huge Bnet fanatic. Loved the lore as-well. With WoW its not hard to tell at all that I would hate it. It goes aginst just about everything I look for in an MMO. So if your one of those people who have to play a game to know thats fine.

Another Example: Aion, I am not a PvP fan so do I have to play Aion to know I wont care much for it? Hell no, I know I wont like it so whats the point. Unless I read some reviews on a great PvE system I am skipping this game. It would be stupid for me to buy Aion and then be pissed that its a PvP focus.

   So how can you hate a game you've never even played again? Other peoples' reviews?

   Hope your friends don't tell you that jumping off a bridge is the next MMO.

Seriously, why are so many people trying to jump the gun on this game (both positively and negatively).

- It's not claiming to be anything new. It's just claiming to be good (which imho it is).

Atm it's going through a very similar thing now, that WoW did when it was in open beta. Too many players, all in the same place. The servers are simply being overwhelmed. However, this is what Open Betas are all about. They are the last big stress test the game will have before launch. This means (if the company is smart) they will do whatever they can to see the limits of their game's performance, and then tweak it until it's playable again. That seems to be exactly what they're doing now.

People need to stop trying to predict the success or failure of this game. It's already a success. The only question now is whether or not the west will give it enough of a chance for it to do well here. I hate to break it to some of you, but (while WoW is a success on both hemispheres) it would not seem anywhere near as successful as it does if it wasn't for it's eastern audience. They make up the bulk of MMOs atm.

I think ive stopped hating MMO's and just started hating people. Not fanboys or trolls, just more or less everyone. Its sad that threads and communitys (not just here or on other forums but ingame communitys as well)  have really slain a love for MMO's I used to have. Back to batman arkham asylum =)

Originally posted by FadeToBlack3

I think ive stopped hating MMO's and just started hating people. Not fanboys or trolls, just more or less everyone. Its sad that threads and communitys (not just here or on other forums but ingame communitys as well)  have really slain a love for MMO's I used to have. Back to batman arkham asylum =)

ok, I've been on a 6 month hiatus from mmo's since I quit WAR.  During those 6 months I managed to get my head on straight again. woot.

anyways, unlike most jaded, bitter, and angry gamers out there,  I'm flooded with optimism, excitment, and anticipation for 2 new mmo's coming out within one year.  I even bought myself a nice new rig for. (BTW which OS should I go with?)

Sometimes you just have to take a step back and look at the big picture.  This website seems to be the main vent for people who are either looking for an new mmo, stuck in an mmo they love, are not playing any mmo's atm, or just sad people looking to start some forest fires. 

One dude said some stuff in another thread along the lines of: " this place entertains me, its comical." get yer daily lolz !

All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch.

I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday.

Nothing to see here folks move along.

Well apparantly the only thing left to see is the horde of pre-mature ejacluatorz leave because they didn't have the patience to even wait for the offical launch of the damn game - which they PRE -BOUGHT, that is amazing rofflecopterz right there sir.

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

Well apparantly the only thing left to see is the horde of pre-mature ejacluatorz leave because they didn't have the patience to even wait for the offical launch of the damn game - which they PRE -BOUGHT, that is amazing rofflecopterz right there sir.

That's almost as amazing as your inability to type a coherent sentence.

Originally posted by todeswulf

All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch.

I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday.

Nothing to see here folks move along.

 

And all I know is your a silly little fanboy trying to tell people what they should and shouldnt like I keep seeing it on forums about Aion and it really is pathetic to say the least.

If Aion is bad for you come back after the 13th and give a constructive review.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

Well apparantly the only thing left to see is the horde of pre-mature ejacluatorz leave because they didn't have the patience to even wait for the offical launch of the damn game - which they PRE -BOUGHT, that is amazing rofflecopterz right there sir.

 

That's almost as amazing as your inability to type a coherent sentence.

 

My run-on sentence skills are second to none, sir.

And btw, I never played WoW, and I could judge that it is a gigantic piece of flaming dog shit.

I wasn't gonna say anything about you trying to flame Toddze either, but I just couldn't resist you bringing up lame ass gramatical sentence structure. THIS IS THE FUCKING INTERNET, not english 101.  =)

Originally posted by todeswulf

All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch.

I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday.

Nothing to see here folks move along.

 

I can't understand it. What is really the problem with WoW fanboi's? the fact that they are just supremely stupid or that they are afraid Aion could actually be just as good if not better than WoW? Or could it be that they are just too lazy to level a new toon in Aion opposed to the 50 lvl 80's they already have in WoW?

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by toddze

Yes it does.

I have friends (rl and gaming friends) with very very similar gaming ideals. IF they tell me something from another game that they dont like, its 99.9% sure that I wont like it. Its not just MMO's. Anything from single player games to MMO's. I have saved a bundle of cash from listening to them. When I went aginst their opinion I was burnt.

Also I am pretty good at reading real reviews and deciding from them if the game is for me or not.

Keep in mind I loved Warcraft, played them countless hours and a huge Bnet fanatic. Loved the lore as-well. With WoW its not hard to tell at all that I would hate it. It goes aginst just about everything I look for in an MMO. So if your one of those people who have to play a game to know thats fine.

Another Example: Aion, I am not a PvP fan so do I have to play Aion to know I wont care much for it? Hell no, I know I wont like it so whats the point. Unless I read some reviews on a great PvE system I am skipping this game. It would be stupid for me to buy Aion and then be pissed that its a PvP focus.

 

   So how can you hate a game you've never even played again? Other peoples' reviews?

   Hope your friends don't tell you that jumping off a bridge is the next MMO.

 

I knew this was your next point I almost edited my post.

WoW changed the direction of MMO's. You dont have to play WoW to know this or see the evedince of it. WoW single handely changed the MMO scene, IMO for the worse you dont have to agree thats fine, but I can gurantee I am not alone in this opinion. I can also gurantee some people that have played WoW has the same opinion.

In case you still cant see why I hate wow ill make it simple so that a WoW fan can understand it. WoW simplified the genre now to many MMO companies are in turn making all these shallow simple games to cater to the wow fanbase. I understand it from a business standpoint but as a gamer i hate it.

Jumping off a bridge has nothing to do with being a smart consumer, not wanting to waste money on a game. So try insulting me in a different way. I bet you could go grammer nazi on me because my spelling/punctuation is never right.

Edit: btw I have been told jumping off a bridge, or jumping out of an airplane is an adreneline rush but I dont have to bungie jump off a bridge or go sky diving to know its not for me.

1st off if you liked WoW I don't think you have no real idea what a good game is.

EQ changed the face of MMO's forever.

WoW copied it,  cartoonised it and made it easy so any player with a low end system can  play.

2nd... not a fan of pvp..

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Originally posted by todeswulf

All I know is folks are canceling their pre orders like crazy at the gamestop where I work and that seems to be a trend corperate wide..right now we have a surplus of Collectors editions we are going to put back on sale via our ecommerce page the day after launch.

I log onto WoW tonight and stormwind is packed....and it's a Monday.

Nothing to see here folks move along.

 

And I for one am happy to see all those give them back - the lag issues of the OB are ISP/backbone issues, not NCSoft server issues, and if these fools want to throw the game back because thier internet is broke, then so be it. Just the type of fools I dont want to see in this gaming community anyway.

Oh and dude, its a HOLIDAY Monday, dont be so amazed to see people logged into WoW on a freakin holiday. You know, no work, no school bus, a freaking holiday.

Some of these people are just amazing I swear.

so its bad that WoW finally seems to have some competition? and aions fails for being popular? i for one am happy aion is doing so well. a propper pvp game that can get the "other" part of the gaming community that prefers pvp  to pve is very welcome in my book. i would think the general mmo population would be happy there are options with semi-populated servers.

man people will just find any reason to bash aion these days huh?

Originally posted by toddze

I knew this was your next point I almost edited my post.

WoW changed the direction of MMO's. You dont have to play WoW to know this or see the evedince of it. WoW single handely changed the MMO scene, IMO for the worse you dont have to agree thats fine, but I can gurantee I am not alone in this opinion. I can also gurantee some people that have played WoW has the same opinion.

In case you still cant see why I hate wow ill make it simple so that a WoW fan can understand it. WoW simplified the genre now to many MMO companies are in turn making all these shallow simple games to cater to the wow fanbase. I understand it from a business standpoint but as a gamer i hate it.

Jumping off a bridge has nothing to do with being a smart consumer, not wanting to waste money on a game. So try insulting me in a different way. I bet you could go grammer nazi on me because my spelling/punctuation is never right.

   How exactly did it simplify the genre? I've played a big share of the market: EQ, EQ2, LoTR, AoC, WAR , FFXI, CoH/CoV, AO, RO, Vanguard, TCoS, RoM, Ryzom. None of the aforementioned are (or ever were) more complex than WoW. The genre isn't even built for complexity; RPG's aren't there to challenge you mentally, but to allow you to build a character and engage in a story line.

  If you want to play a game for it's complexity, then I suggest chess, or hex.