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Originally posted by linren
I didn't have to configure anything. I have Avast! running at all times and Windows firewall (just because it's already there). This has been my setup for years and the only time I've ever had a problem was AC would not run in Vista with Avast! installed. For those who are worried. If you uninstall Aion and want to make sure GG is gone all you have to do is the following. Go to the folder Aion was in, make sure nothing is left. Go to your system32 folder and find npptnt2.sys and nppt9x.vxd and delete them. Remove HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SYSTEM\\CurrentControlSet\\Services\\NPPTNT2 from your registry. Now, I know this sounds horrible to some, however, there are TONS of poorly written programs out there that don't fully uninstall on their own. Leaving a couple of DLLs and registry strings does not make a program a rootkit, it makes it poorly coded. If you remember the Sony rootkit, there wasn't a way to uninstall it, until Sony released a program to remove it, which only added more software to your system that couldn't be removed.
You are actually one of lucky ones then, some use software that cause huge conflict with GG. However, those softwares are usually not even needed for a computer. I mean who really needs 4 active firewalls on a personal computer? (Old example from an old roomate) Some of those software require some config to do the job of using them with GG. Nothing hard, and plenty of information on the web about how to do it. Basically, the information is out there, I just hope gamers start to go out and grab them. I totally agree with you on the sheer armount of badly written programs that leave behind files. Some are pretty funny too like a Registry cleaner leaving behind a small file in the registry after uninstalled.
Ugh, don't even mention registry cleaners. The last one I tried deleted almost my entire registry. I had to boot from disc and do a system restore.
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h8erberry
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Joined: 9/01/09
You can't say civilization don't advance -- for in every war, they kill you in a new way |
Originally posted by boberic Bad example maybe? |
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Tisiphone
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Joined: 3/16/04
"Every time you skip security patches, Cthulu kills a kitten." |
Well said. GG, while irritating, is not spyware. You can sit all night sifting through wireshark if you want to verify that. Warden... Warden is iffier :) I forgot to add, while I don't justify the software bugs with GG, its one good point is that it actually now bundles keylogger / password stealer detection. So... for all of you who shun antivirus, your game logins are actually getting a bit of protection.
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Originally posted by Swanea
So someone will know my favorite type of porn, and most likely watch it also?
Kinky. it will be when they come around to your house with an *insert fetish here* because they found your address using rootkit
but seriously...anyone who doesn't get a game over this is beyond retarded/doesn't know how to control such a programme. Originally posted by Cyborg99 |
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Originally posted by Swanea
So someone will know my favorite type of porn, and most likely watch it also?
Kinky. Win....
But, +1 on if GameGuard was a rootkit, game would not use it, they'd be super sued.
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Originally posted by naraku209 Win....
But, +1 on if GameGuard was a rootkit, game would not use it, they'd be super sued.
Exactly, People don't even know what a real rootkit is! Gameguard when uninstalled, it's gone. When you format your harddrive. It's REALLY gone! A rootkit. No matter what you do. Even formatting your harddrive. You will never ever get rid of it anymore. It was the sole reason Sony got sued back then, because their CD copy protection WAS a rootkit that seriously messed up a lot of people's hardware beyond repair! Gameguard is nothing like that! When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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Originally posted by Craggur
Never wondered why you have all these fitting ads everytime you go to a site that have ads. Ads that for some magic reason matches up to what you often like to read about on teh internets? Or that youtube suggests videos for you to watch. ...and still you don't have GG. "Welcome to teh internetz, nuub, hope you like your stay." I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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Tisiphone
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Joined: 3/16/04
"Every time you skip security patches, Cthulu kills a kitten." |
GG does use "rootkit" technology. That is to say, it uses some of the same programming concepts, not that it -is- a rootkit. It -can- be removed, although to completely delete it you need to remove a couple registry entries. That is simply how it operates, and GG states that on their site. Locking out processes and scanning the entire system memory for certain code while the game is being played is the only way they've been able to cope with sophisticated bot programs that randomly change memory locations and process names. I guess cheating is a huge problem in Korea. Its works really messily, but I guess they respond to threats on a case to case basis instead of rewriting code. This has been beaten to death on Korean forums and by the Maple Story crowd. But what OP is complaining about is spyware, not a rootkit. GG is not spyware - that certainly would get them sued. (edit: tired, irritated and totally unable to type coherently)
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Originally posted by Guillermo197 Win....
But, +1 on if GameGuard was a rootkit, game would not use it, they'd be super sued.
Exactly, People don't even know what a real rootkit is! Gameguard when uninstalled, it's gone. When you format your harddrive. It's REALLY gone! A rootkit. No matter what you do. Even formatting your harddrive. You will never ever get rid of it anymore. It was the sole reason Sony got sued back then, because their CD copy protection WAS a rootkit that seriously messed up a lot of people's hardware beyond repair! Gameguard is nothing like that!
Found a few people on this forum with actual knowledge about Gameguard and rootkit today. Happy day for me. Was getting pretty tired seeing only "blame GG" posts that are based on guesses. |
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nickelpat
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Joined: 11/07/08
"War isn''t about dieing for your country; It''s about making your enemy die for theirs." - G.Patton |
Originally posted by usa911 [Mod Edit[ By the way, pretty much anyone who plays online games, knows that GameGuard is pretty easy to crack. Although, the way I see it, at least it's an attempt. It would be nice if they could get a new piece of software that actually worked. It's also not too hard to prevent hacking a game, being you don't mind invasive techniques. Look at Valve's VAC for example. Pretty elegent little system, not overly invasive, although it's not that subtle either. It just scans your files as you play to make sure nothing has been injected, and at the start to make sure they're normal. At the same time ignoring harmless things. ____________________________ "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Rootkit or not, GG is a notoriously badly written and ineffective program, and some of the arguments in its favour here are either written by 10 year olds or the serioulsy hard of thinking ("if it was bad they wouldn't use it" - LOL. Take a look at history mate). If the OP doesn't want to install because of it then fair does to him. Who the hell are any of you to say otherwise? |
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Originally posted by FunkyLasagne
No one is saying that. The OP can do what he or she wishes. What I cannot stand is some idiots spamming everywhere, trying to scare the shit out of people, by claiming GameGuard to be a rootkit. Wich is NOT the case! When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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Originally posted by Craggur
You don't need to install a rootkit to do that. Any software can contain malware. So long and short of it don't install software (of any type) unless its from a trusted source. Whilst 'rootkit' is a red herring in the context you mention I do object to GG too. |
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ive seen very few pieces of software that didnt install things to your root. anti virus burry themselves so deep you cant ever get them fully out. |
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NoGame00
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Joined: 8/08/06
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i dont get it if you dont install aion how can you play it you cant play a game unless you install it on your computer maybe you got a fake version from one of those hackers in iraq CAUTION: Using your brain is NOT endorsed by governments, religious, educational institutions, secret societies and corporations involved with serious power and financial profit obtained from a brainwashed and enslaved population. Mild discomfort may occur as confusing independent thought challenges your current view of the world. Use your brain, think for yourself and question authority. Reality is an opinion, you determine the reality in which you inhabit. |
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hang on, when did iraq get internet to be having hackers, i though we blew up all their routers in desert storm =p north korea has some massive hackers, funded by their tyrant and his 100 dollar bill printing presses, they make such good counterfit money we only find it because its nicer then the real ones(better quality). |
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NoGame00
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Joined: 8/08/06
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled. |
Originally posted by neorandom how does a storm in a desert blow stuff up? were you being scartastic? CAUTION: Using your brain is NOT endorsed by governments, religious, educational institutions, secret societies and corporations involved with serious power and financial profit obtained from a brainwashed and enslaved population. Mild discomfort may occur as confusing independent thought challenges your current view of the world. Use your brain, think for yourself and question authority. Reality is an opinion, you determine the reality in which you inhabit. |
Originally posted by Craggur
Yeah not like Google have been providing the CIA with data for years. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/061206seedmoney.htm
Just cancel your internet and move on.   |
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Natttas
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Joined: 3/18/08
People who fight monsters should take care not to become one |
Originally posted by Craggur
SOOOOO, I thought you where joking, but I see that you are serious, which is very sad, but hey, ignorance is BLISS. If you are worried about GG, then I would disconnect your comp from the net. Most comps are attacked 30+ times a night, hence the reason for a AV and firewall(hardware) to always be up. GG doesnt make your comp more or less violable. |
Originally posted by Craggur So what you don't want people looking at all the nasty porn you search up? Or other crazy stuff since you're obviously hiding something. Besides, GAMEGUARD IS NOT a rootkit. Honestly, are you really that paranoid to think a Company will get a system that gives you a virus/keylogger/rootkit/ whatever?
.... I just can't.... the stupidity...
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P.s: I personally don't like gameguard, however i do like Aion... like it or not, gameguard is what Aion uses. If it does have a rootkit or w/e NCsoft will change it. ----------------- I have the coolest signature, ever. |
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Originally posted by Natttas
SOOOOO, I thought you where joking, but I see that you are serious, which is very sad, but hey, ignorance is BLISS. If you are worried about GG, then I would disconnect your comp from the net. Most comps are attacked 30+ times a night, hence the reason for a AV and firewall(hardware) to always be up. GG doesnt make your comp more or less violable.
Installing GG by its very nature pretty much nulls your av so whats your point? The last sentence is simply false and untrue. I'm not saying use it or not (personally I would die before opening up my machine like that, even hacked GG is a massive security risk), but people should be aware of what they are actually installing. How many game companies actually use GG, how many of them are Korean? Cheap pre-packaged solutions that don't actually work and have potentially bad side effects ----- Everything that has a begining, has an end. |
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Originally posted by mrw0lf
In what way does GG nullify your Anti Virus Software? I run Avast Home Edition and it keeps happily running when I start up any game that uses GameGuard. Seriously, all this paranoia makes me laugh real hard. If you are so worried about Gameguard, then I advise you to disconnect yourself from the internet and throw your computer out of the window. (first magnetising your harddrives ofcourse, to erase all sensitive data). Because the moment you hook up on the internet you are intruded from all directions. And there is nothing stopping it. Gameguard is a saint piece of software compaired to the Internet Browers, google, Microsoft themselves and what not. So please. Spare me all the paranoia about GG! It's getting more and more pathetic now. When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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Originally posted by Guillermo197
What a disingenious strawman of an argument. If you cannot debate in an honest fashion it is obvious that you don't have much of an argument at all. It is a fact that GG uses nefarious programming techniques to overcome all sorts of system level security procedures against recommendations of system producers, and it is a fact that lots and lots of people have had major problems with it because of this. Sitting on the edges denying that anyone has had any problems because of your own experience is frankly juvenile and is of use to no-one, least of all yourself. What people chose to put on their system is up to them, particularly when it an utter (and potentially dangerous) POS such as GG. If you have had a positive experience then good for you, but please don't be so pathetic as to deny that others do have problems with the software. |
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Let it be said that NCSoft has a commercial interest in denying problems with GG. |
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Who are we to say otherwise? This is a "FORUM". Comprehend much? |
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