Originally posted by Obraik

lololololol @ all those people that had been going around saying SOE is going to lose the Star Wars license because of TOR :D

lololololol @ swg surviving both TOR and this new SW game. 

BTW, I have a Free Realms account that I haven't played since the first week it came out.  I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that.

Originally posted by tryklon

 I dont know if they will have sucess targeting an audiende on kids under 12, we all know they all play warcraft already =P

I dunno i thought KoTor was already designed for the mentally challanged or the under 12s.

None of these guys are stupid the intital sales alone of these kinda IP make it profitable , SoE blow but they aint stupid even though mistakes have been made SoE is tiny part of SOny as a whole.

Everyone talk like they know better business than they, delussional.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

If they can copy the huge success of Free Realms with a casual Star wars MMO based on the Clone Wars TV series marketed to the kids, its going to be another solid win for both SOE and LA. 

 

What huge success?  Free realms doesn't even have 1 fully populated server despite 5 million people trying the game. 

 

- Over 5 million players and counting

- Trading Card game by Topps

- Comic Books published by Wildstorm

- Guiness Book of World Record set by "The Dares" for playing in the real world and Free Realms (Worldwide free advertisement for SOE)

- in August, launched Free Realms in French, German, Spanish (Castilian), Spanish (Latin American) and English (UK).

- Rumors of Free Realms coming to PSP

- LA apparently seeing the success of Free Realms and the potential of increased $$$, decides to partner with them to build a Star Wars world in the Free Realms model.

You sound like a sick marketing person from SOE.   Fact, all the servers are just about empty.  Fact, SOE is doing so well they laid off part of their workforce.  Conclusion, your post is a mirage, does not have one pertinent fact in it.  Rather easy to see through the smoke and mirrors that there is nothing there.

Pretty easy to grasp the fact that SOE has completely lost touch with it's prospective players.  As long as Smedley is there, this will continue to occur.

A couple of months ago I started posting on the forums, before that I used to never read any forum posts or participate in them. My information, I would get from different articles I would find on the net. Well I think I will soon go back to not going to any forums again, because all I see is crap...

The rumor is that they are developping an MMOG game based on Clone Wars, what I don't understand is how people are comparing Bioware's product to SOE's, one is p2p, the other f2p, one is browser based, the other client based, one is a 3D advanced type of graphic, the other is a cartoonish type of graphic, one is intended for the typical hardcore and causal gamer, the other is for the kids...I really don't understand your logic guys...

The other thing is people keep bashing SOE about what they did 8 years ago, get a life guys and stop wasting your life on grudges against a gaming company. Any gaming company out there doesn't care about you, it's all about your money, if you are sick, they will let you die, if you need money, they will laugh at you, if you need to get laid, they will f*** a girl and send pictures of it to tease you. Be it SOE, Blizzard, NCsoft ot any other company...

Another thing that make laugh is the people who keep going to each forum and saying how SOE is duping everyone by saying they have 5 mill accounts in Free Realms, but the same people keep saying that WoW has 11 mill. Newsflash, WoW does NOT have 11 mill active accounts, because they count their free trials as active accounts, so all the free trials that people activate everyday, that's like 3 mill there, they also are counting all the asian accounts, you got 2 mill of farmers, then a couple of months ago, they continued saying that they have 11 mill, when in fact there were around 4-5 mill accounts that were inactive when they shifted companies in Asia.  All that is to say that all companies lie to make their game look grandiose. Suck it up and live with it.

About Clone Wars, I really hope it is true, because I do think that it would be a great game.

Peace

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

- Over 5 million players and counting

- Trading Card game by Topps

- Comic Books published by Wildstorm

- Guiness Book of World Record set by "The Dares" for playing in the real world and Free Realms (Worldwide free advertisement for SOE)

- in August, launched Free Realms in French, German, Spanish (Castilian), Spanish (Latin American) and English (UK).

- Rumors of Free Realms coming to PSP

- LA apparently seeing the success of Free Realms and the potential of increased $$$, decides to partner with them to build a Star Wars world in the Free Realms model.

You sound like a sick marketing person from SOE.   Fact, all the servers are just about empty.  Fact, SOE is doing so well they laid off part of their workforce.  Conclusion, your post is a mirage, does not have one pertinent fact in it.  Rather easy to see through the smoke and mirrors that there is nothing there.

Pretty easy to grasp the fact that SOE has completely lost touch with it's prospective players.  As long as Smedley is there, this will continue to occur.

Of course, someone come in with a positive light and is immediately labeled a PR person. How typical and obvious. Yeah LA thinks they are doing so bad they they are doing even more business with them. Yeah that makes sense huh?. Everyone of those items I listed was a fact.  Sorry to hear truth disappointsand troubles you so much....

- Over 5 million players and counting

- Trading Card game by Topps

- Comic Books published by Wildstorm

- Guiness Book of World Record set by "The Dares" for playing in the real world and Free Realms (Worldwide free advertisement for SOE)

- in August, launched Free Realms in French, German, Spanish (Castilian), Spanish (Latin American) and English (UK).

- Rumors of Free Realms coming to PSP

- LA apparently seeing the success of Free Realms and the potential of increased $$$, decides to partner with them to build a Star Wars world in the Free Realms model.
 

From your rant its pretty easy to see who has completely lost touch.

Love SOE, Hate SOE?  They sure have riled up folks with this rumor.  I agree that it makes sense for them to do this.  This also can prove to LA that they can make a "good" MMO with lessons learned.  Now lets see what those lessons are.

This situation also hints at that LA really might be just at fault for the mistakes in the past as SOE??  Naww that still can't be.

Originally posted by Golarum 

Another thing that make laugh is the people who keep going to each forum and saying how SOE is duping everyone by saying they have 5 mill accounts in Free Realms, but the same people keep saying that WoW has 11 mill. Newsflash, WoW does NOT have 11 mill active accounts, because they count their free trials as active accounts, so all the free trials that people activate everyday, that's like 3 mill there, they also are counting all the asian accounts, you got 2 mill of farmers, then a couple of months ago, they continued saying that they have 11 mill, when in fact there were around 4-5 mill accounts that were inactive when they shifted companies in Asia.  All that is to say that all companies lie to make their game look grandiose. Suck it up and live with it.

About Clone Wars, I really hope it is true, because I do think that it would be a great game.

Peace

Obviously you don't get enough information from the net or you would not make such unfounded comments.

Blizzard claims around 5 million subscribers in North America and Europe.  They specifically detail what they consider a subscriber in those press releases and it DOES NOT include free trials.  It only counts people that have paid for an active account with the month they are detailing. Blizzard definition of a subscriber Click the link and read it for yourself.

World of warcraft has over 500 games servers in North America and Europe.  You can log onto any one of them and you will see people playing.  Many game developers have cited that a typical game server supports roughly 10,000 accounts.  500x10,000 is.... 5,000,000.  So the claim does look to have some legitimacy.  It takes a lot of people to

SOE claims 5,000,000 people have created accounts for free realms.  Notice the difference in terminology.  No claim of 5 million people paying for anything or evey playing.  Just accounts created.

No look at free realms.  10 servers, 8 of which are empty/low population all the time. 

Originally posted by BaronJuJu 

Of course, someone come in with a positive light and is immediately labeled a PR person. How typical and obvious. Yeah LA thinks they are doing so bad they they are doing even more business with them. Yeah that makes sense huh?. Everyone of those items I listed was a fact.  Sorry to hear truth disappointsand troubles you so much....

- Over 5 million players and counting

** and still only 10 servers.  2 top out at medium population and the other 8 can't break low population.  SOE claims to have added 4 million new accounts, but has not added 1 new server since then.  So each server is supposed to suppport 500,000 accounts?   Anyone can log into the game and see just how dead it is.  Press releases cannot hide that.

- Trading Card game by Topps

** That is great, but you still need people playing the game to buy the product.  10 empty servers doesn't sell a lot of cards.

- Comic Books published by Wildstorm

** And this makes free realms successful how?

- Guiness Book of World Record set by "The Dares" for playing in the real world and Free Realms (Worldwide free advertisement for SOE)

** and this makes the game successful how? 

- in August, launched Free Realms in French, German, Spanish (Castilian), Spanish (Latin American) and English (UK).

** why expect different results than what they already have. 

- Rumors of Free Realms coming to PSP

** and this makes the current free realms successful how?

- LA apparently seeing the success of Free Realms and the potential of increased $$$, decides to partner with them to build a Star Wars world in the Free Realms model.

** so far everything is a rumor and honestly lucas has been whoring out the ip for to many years now. Free realms has a pretty decent engine for a tiny game, so there is potential to that engine.  However there is not potential with free realms.  It just further demon 
 

 

 

I understand the press releases make the game look like a raging success, but they are nothing more than a press release.  The logistics of the claim are impossible to begin with and the lack of game servers shows how few people actually play.  

Keep in mind the entire game world is roughly the size of hellfire pennisula in world of warcraft.  It really is that small, so you cannot put many people in the game before it would get overcrowded beyond belief.  Log in to any server you want and you will have entire areas of the world all to yourself.

If free realms represents soes best efforts to appeal to the younger market, I doubt they have the chops to make something better.  They simply have no idea what players want anymore. 

Perhaps LA has a different perspective than the SOE haters. If this game gets made and is successful it will be a sight to see. Look at how the haters are already in a tizzy just at the thought of SOE making something  SW. Thing is no matter how well it does, there will be some deny it and talk of how it could have been even better if SOE hadnt been involved. Not to mention how SOE will destroy it in a year or two. Fun  times ahead.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Perhaps LA has a different perspective than the SOE haters. If this game gets made and is successful it will be a sight to see. Look at how the haters are already in a tizzy just at the thought of SOE making something  SW. Thing is no matter how well it does, there will be some deny it and talk of how it could have been even better if SOE hadnt been involved. Not to mention how SOE will destroy it in a year or two. Fun  times ahead.

Indeed.  Alot of people here like to make claims that LA is upset with SOE for this and that, but it really doesn't make alot of sense.  How could LA be upset with SOE about something they approve of?  Both companies have made their mistakes together, and both have learnt together.

Personally i don't know what all this debate about SWG and TOR etc is about. Those that say SOE/LA are aiming to take potential players away from TOR need to consider all things, Yes to some TOR may not seem like a good way to do things but in comparison it's aiming towards those that want RPG back into MMO's. If this new venture between SOE and LA is aimed at the casual players then go for it i say, those of us who like to feel a part of something will still be with TOR i wager.

I hated on SOE for a short while when NGE came out as well but it didn't stop me from playing SWG in order to see what exactly had been done to the game, i've also gone back a few times since quitting the game purely for something to do as the crafting (also pretty pointless in some respects) is still as complex and enjoyable. I'm not likely to see that kind of complexity in another MMO but at the very least i'll be able to have the feel of RPG again within TOR.

Originally posted by Daffid011

I understand the press releases make the game look like a raging success, but they are nothing more than a press release.  The logistics of the claim are impossible to begin with and the lack of game servers shows how few people actually play.  

Keep in mind the entire game world is roughly the size of hellfire pennisula in world of warcraft.  It really is that small, so you cannot put many people in the game before it would get overcrowded beyond belief.  Log in to any server you want and you will have entire areas of the world all to yourself. 

If free realms represents soes best efforts to appeal to the younger market, I doubt they have the chops to make something better.  They simply have no idea what players want anymore. 

LOL ok, whatever. You will never accept Free Realms as a success which is fine, the rest of the gaming community has. Unsuccessful games don't have TOPSS, Wildstorm, Best Buy, BlockBuster, Rite Aid, Target, 7-11 and Lucas Arts (again) all wanting to do business with them.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Originally posted by Daffid011

I understand the press releases make the game look like a raging success, but they are nothing more than a press release.  The logistics of the claim are impossible to begin with and the lack of game servers shows how few people actually play.  

Keep in mind the entire game world is roughly the size of hellfire pennisula in world of warcraft.  It really is that small, so you cannot put many people in the game before it would get overcrowded beyond belief.  Log in to any server you want and you will have entire areas of the world all to yourself. 

If free realms represents soes best efforts to appeal to the younger market, I doubt they have the chops to make something better.  They simply have no idea what players want anymore. 

LOL ok, whatever. You will never accept Free Realms as a success which is fine, the rest of the gaming community has. Unsuccessful games don't have TOPSS, Wildstorm, Best Buy, BlockBuster, Rite Aid, Target, 7-11 and Lucas Arts (again) all wanting to do business with them.

These potential business partners are marketing entity's (not gamers) that very likely only read pitches/press releases submitted to them by SOE. It's not like they actually play the game. As a greedy business person, it'd be pretty hard to say no the carrot of millions of users lining up for your product, fact or fiction.

Originally posted by Daffid011

 

Obviously you don't get enough information from the net or you would not make such unfounded comments.

Blizzard claims around 5 million subscribers in North America and Europe.  They specifically detail what they consider a subscriber in those press releases and it DOES NOT include free trials.  It only counts people that have paid for an active account with the month they are detailing. Blizzard definition of a subscriber Click the link and read it for yourself.

World of warcraft has over 500 games servers in North America and Europe.  You can log onto any one of them and you will see people playing.  Many game developers have cited that a typical game server supports roughly 10,000 accounts.  500x10,000 is.... 5,000,000.  So the claim does look to have some legitimacy.  It takes a lot of people to

 

SOE claims 5,000,000 people have created accounts for free realms.  Notice the difference in terminology.  No claim of 5 million people paying for anything or evey playing.  Just accounts created.

No look at free realms.  10 servers, 8 of which are empty/low population all the time. 

 

IRVINE, Calif. - October 28, 2008

''Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers.''

The expansion is coming out in a couple of days, millions of people are joining the game rooms to check out the game, the expansion and see what things are like now. Adding them as active subs isn't lying about the numbers?

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

These potential business partners are marketing entity's (not gamers) that very likely only read pitches/press releases submitted to them by SOE. It's not like they actually play the game. As a greedy business person, it'd be pretty hard to say no the carrot of millions of users lining up for your product, fact or fiction.

Those aren't potential business partners that I listed, they are current business partners. And, I'm sure they are all enjoying that carrot immensely.

I don't see why it really maters if SOE is making this. It's not like many of us here would play this ultra casual game even if it was made by Cartoon Network off the Fusion Fall engine. Point is it sounds like it may be marketed towards a different type of MMO gamer. So other than to give SOE some kinda of bragging rights if they reach millions of accounts, it really is a nonfactor MMO for us.

I'll be spending my time in other games I like, so I know my care level will be zero.

Originally posted by Golarum 

IRVINE, Calif. - October 28, 2008

''Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers.''

The expansion is coming out in a couple of days, millions of people are joining the game rooms to check out the game, the expansion and see what things are like now. Adding them as active subs isn't lying about the numbers?

 

World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.

The point is that every World of Warcraft account that is accessed is a paying member.  It is pretty clear.

They are not counting anyone who logs in on a free trial or some unpaid promo. 

Originally posted by BaronJuJu 

LOL ok, whatever. You will never accept Free Realms as a success which is fine, the rest of the gaming community has. Unsuccessful games don't have TOPSS, Wildstorm, Best Buy, BlockBuster, Rite Aid, Target, 7-11 and Lucas Arts (again) all wanting to do business with them.

Actually I thought it was very successful at first. 

Pointing to retail locations where SOE is selling the product doesn't make free realms a success.  People paying money to play the mmo make it a success.  Not a comic, not time cards for sale at drug stores, not collectable card games.  People playing the MMO will make it a success.

Seeing the evidence that free realms only has 2 servers above empty it is easy to see that it is not a huge success.  Nothing changes that.  You avoid the server issue by talking about comics or where you can buy time cards for the mmo as if that is somehow more important that how many people are playing the game.

Please explain to me how a game with 2 servers at medium population is a "huge success".  Really, answer that without misdirecting to comics or retail locations.  How can a game with 2 medium population servers be a huge success?

I'll say it again, if that is the best the soe can muster with their design team why would anyone want to waste time with them?

Originally posted by tillamook

I don't see why it really maters if SOE is making this. It's not like many of us here would play this ultra casual game even if it was made by Cartoon Network off the Fusion Fall engine. Point is it sounds like it may be marketed towards a different type of MMO gamer. So other than to give SOE some kinda of bragging rights if they reach millions of accounts, it really is a nonfactor MMO for us.

I'll be spending my time in other games I like, so I know my care level will be zero.

Pretty much.  It will most likely be in the same category as Free Realms, Club Penguin and the like when it comes to demographics which means, yeah, a non-factor for most of us.

On a side note, I really don't think theres going to be a market for 3 Star Wars themed mmo's so someone is most likey going to be the odd man out.  And by someone I mean swg.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Golarum 

IRVINE, Calif. - October 28, 2008

''Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers.''

The expansion is coming out in a couple of days, millions of people are joining the game rooms to check out the game, the expansion and see what things are like now. Adding them as active subs isn't lying about the numbers?

 

 

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World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.

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The point is that every World of Warcraft account that is accessed is a paying member.  It is pretty clear.

 

They are not counting anyone who logs in on a free trial or some unpaid promo. 

 

So you will believe anything Blizzard says but not a press release? So if SOE says they have 5 million subscriptions, its a lie. But then Blizzard says they have 11 million subs and its truth. correct?

Originally posted by Maddthwips

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Golarum 

IRVINE, Calif. - October 28, 2008

''Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers.''

The expansion is coming out in a couple of days, millions of people are joining the game rooms to check out the game, the expansion and see what things are like now. Adding them as active subs isn't lying about the numbers?

 

 

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World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.

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The point is that every World of Warcraft account that is accessed is a paying member.  It is pretty clear.

 

They are not counting anyone who logs in on a free trial or some unpaid promo. 

 

 

So you will believe anything Blizzard says but not a press release? So if SOE says they have 5 million subscriptions, its a lie. But then Blizzard says they have 11 million subs and its truth. correct?

Soe doesn't have 5 miilion subscribers to Free Realms.  They have 5 million accounts created, one of which was mine and I haven't logged back in after the first few days.  I suspect theres many people like me in that respect.  Theres a big difference between accounts created and subscribers, esp. when it comes to a f2p game like Free Realms.

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by Maddthwips

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Golarum 

IRVINE, Calif. - October 28, 2008

''Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers.''

The expansion is coming out in a couple of days, millions of people are joining the game rooms to check out the game, the expansion and see what things are like now. Adding them as active subs isn't lying about the numbers?

 

 

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World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.

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The point is that every World of Warcraft account that is accessed is a paying member.  It is pretty clear.

 

They are not counting anyone who logs in on a free trial or some unpaid promo. 

 

 

So you will believe anything Blizzard says but not a press release? So if SOE says they have 5 million subscriptions, its a lie. But then Blizzard says they have 11 million subs and its truth. correct?

Soe doesn't have 5 miilion subscribers to Free Realms.  They have 5 million accounts created, one of which was mine and I haven't logged back in after the first few days.  I suspect theres many people like me in that respect.  Theres a big difference between accounts created and subscribers, esp. when it comes to a f2p game like Free Realms.

i wasnt saying they did have 5 million subscriptions, i was using that as an example.

Originally posted by Maddthwips

 

So you will believe anything Blizzard says but not a press release? So if SOE says they have 5 million subscriptions, its a lie. But then Blizzard says they have 11 million subs and its truth. correct?

This is not about me believing press releases based on who is making the claims.  It is about seeing the evidence with your own eyes that either support of refute the claims these companies are making in their respective press releases.

Blizzard is claiming around 5 million subscribers in North America and Europe.  I can log onto an account and see that yeas there are over 500 game servers.  I can log into any of those game servers and see players running around everywhere.  The number of servers support their claims.

SOE is claiming 5 million accounts created for free realms.  I can log into any of their ten servers and see how empty they are.  2 medium population servers and 8 low population servers cannot support the claims by soe.  Even looking at the amount of time they claim it took to reach 5 million players averages 6,400 new players joining each and every server every single day.  The servers would have been absolutely overwhelmed by that amount of people logging in.   You can log into any server and see that not happening at any time of the day.  If you don't believe me, go log in and see how empty the game is.

If free realms was warhammer, conan or tabula rasa for example, it would be called a massive failure for not being able to fill up one server.  Somehow people want to believe this game is a massive success, because soe is claiming to have millions of accounts created. 

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Originally posted by xaldraxius
I can't believe that SOE or LucasArts would create a game at this point that could potentially draw players away from the game being developed by Bioware. I can understand them not worrying about SWG as it's had it's chance, but another MMO, especially a free to play one, might cause a lot of damage to SW:TOR which I can only imagine has far more money invested in it.

Maybe it's just something they are whipping out for cartoon network, some cheesy little side-scroller. You know how rumors are.

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Nothing will draw away people from SWToR. Unless they are 9 years old or people who likes to play free realms. SW game from SOE will be developed in cartoonish style, similar to free realms. I will never play their SW game, SWToR will be much more fun. Its being developed by BIOWARE, only that is already enough to skip any other similar games from any other developers.

If SOE will get kiddies away from SWToR I can only see good in it. There are age groups and appropriate to those age groups games. SOEs latest projects tend more to the pre teen and early teen ages, which is totally fine. And someone mentioned pre NGE wish in SOEs casual SWg. Its funny.

No NGE, no Pre-NGE. It will be similar to free realms game, with things having big heads and little bodies, somethign silly like that. Just play Free Realms for a few hours, if you liked it then new SWg from SOE will be for you.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Originally posted by Daffid011

I understand the press releases make the game look like a raging success, but they are nothing more than a press release.  The logistics of the claim are impossible to begin with and the lack of game servers shows how few people actually play.  

Keep in mind the entire game world is roughly the size of hellfire pennisula in world of warcraft.  It really is that small, so you cannot put many people in the game before it would get overcrowded beyond belief.  Log in to any server you want and you will have entire areas of the world all to yourself. 

If free realms represents soes best efforts to appeal to the younger market, I doubt they have the chops to make something better.  They simply have no idea what players want anymore. 

LOL ok, whatever. You will never accept Free Realms as a success which is fine, the rest of the gaming community has. Unsuccessful games don't have TOPSS, Wildstorm, Best Buy, BlockBuster, Rite Aid, Target, 7-11 and Lucas Arts (again) all wanting to do business with them.

I'm really curious what makes an MMO a "success" to you? Accounts created(which are free to make)? Third party products that have nothing to do with the actual game? I think most people usually just consider the amount of people playing, and not the marketing hype/spin, when determining the "success" of a game. 5 million accounts created for a free game is somewhat impressive, but when no one is actually playing the game, let alone paying, it's not the raging success SOE will have you believe, or the raging success you seem to think it is.

Anyway, I'm pretty surprised that LA would go back to SOE and work with them. As Tillamook said, this game is guaranteed to stir little interest from the current MMORPG players, and doesn't stir any interest in me at all, so I suppose that I really don't care.