Certainly Aion differs from WoW in that combat takes place in the Abysess and not anywhere else as you find with WoW. Does that make it worse than WoW for PvP? Don't know yet, I have liked WoW's ability to PvP anywhere and not just in any one zone. With that said, WoW's pvp has become more zone orientated with battlegrounds.  Aion's PvP reminds me more of DAoC's PvP.

Originally posted by Boardwalker

 

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Originally posted by Xidal
Totally agree, The pre-BC ranking system was awsome:> , Aion would be my new main game if they made 2 changes, 
1. Adding a rated arena system like in WoW, Thats the only good thing still in WoW, rest is just crap, Its also the only thing game wise i really enjoy. Sure some new games are fun for a few hours but rated 2v2,3v3,5v5 tops them all, never gets boring:P
2. And changed the combat system, by that i mean, Making it abit faster and removing the instant cast thing i mentioned eariler. or just increase the run speed a bit, the walking takes forever. both out and in combat.

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IMO these are *TERRIBLE* ideas that are better left to rot in WoW.

1. This would drive away as many people if not more than it attracts. Aion is about open, fluid PvP in contested zones; Arenas are artificial constructs for anti-sandbox and cookie-cutter thinkers.
2. This would drive away as many people as it attracts. Aion is an MMO, not an FPS wannabe. (I wouldn't mind running faster, but then again there are ways to speed that up without dumbing down the game)
 

I totally agree. This isn't Counter-Strike -- PvP ranking of any type has zero place in an MMORPG. Fire up Guild Wars if you need smaller-scale battles.

Anyone who considers WoW the "PvP to beat" really needs to get out more. :>

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Thenarius

In terms of small-scale balance, I doubt it will beat WoW in nearby future(1 year at least). Aion is based on very large scale battle, a think that I dislike, but it's a matter of opinion.

  Are you referring to when two, small groups meet, and those groups have different classes? If that's the case, then Aion (or any other game for that matter) will *never* achieve that mythical standard of "balance" in your eyes.

Pretty much that, or even the same classes. The point of it would be to reduce the outcome to who's the most skilled team, not the one with the most overpowered classes. Of course no MMO will ever reach that, because it's pretty logical but WoW's the closest to it.

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by Xidal

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Originally posted by kevingaily

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Originally posted by Xidal

 

Don't think aions PvP will even have a chane of being as sucessful as WoWs The combat is to slow, There is not DR system like in WoW, I mean i kited a gladiator for 20min+ on my ranger in the chiniese version of the game before i got him down. Theres really nothing that really requires skill a clicker can be just as sucessful as a person with keybindings since everything takes so god damn much time to do and i really hated the instant cast things in aion i mean If a spell says its instant cast time i should be able to run and do it not press the ability my character stands still shoots the skill then keep on running. Aion is a good game and i enjoy playing it but if i want some PvP action ill just log on my priest and play some arenas, Sure wow is corrupted and the arenas and BGs are a zerg fest basiclly, But WoWs pvp is alot more competative then aions imo, I will still play both the games tho since i'm kinda tierd of WoW atm.
Well i guess ill just go put on my flame cloak before i get a nasty burn.

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I wouldn't flame you. There's nothing wrong with liking WOW's system. I loved it, in fact. I really liked the old ranking days. I logged more time in AV than I could even begin to count, lol
I think NCSoft will revamp Aions battle lengths, mark my words, to make it a bit more "westernized." Still, as an older guy who likes to click fight I can appreciate a fight not being over too fast! lol :D
Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Aion is new. Just like WOW added and grew it's PvP content, who's to say Aion won't keep bringing fresh things to the game(or at least adding tried and true PvP content)?

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Totally agree, The pre-BC ranking system was awsome:> , Aion would be my new main game if they made 2 changes, 
1. Adding a rated arena system like in WoW, Thats the only good thing still in WoW, rest is just crap, Its also the only thing game wise i really enjoy. Sure some new games are fun for a few hours but rated 2v2,3v3,5v5 tops them all, never gets boring:P
2. And changed the combat system, by that i mean, Making it abit faster and removing the instant cast thing i mentioned eariler. or just increase the run speed a bit, the walking takes forever. both out and in combat.
And as you said, Aion will surley progress in a good way, Its a big change plaing the 1.0 version of the game and the new 1.5, I really hope and think aion will be a great success here in europe, Also please excuse my english;p

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Your English is fine unlike the posters.

2 things I don't quite understand, you want the PRE-BC ranking system AND you want the Rated Arena Game system. Wouldn't those two ideas conflict?

BTW when you say PRE-BC you are talking about the Race For High Warlord rank right?
Did you ever make a serious attempt at doing that?

I have no interest in seeing either of your ideas come to fruition in AION.
Arena or as I like to call it PvP ala Basketball Court is bullshit.

I want war pvp, I dont want boxing.

The funny thing is, you already have WoW Arenas.
Don't like AION PvP?
The answer is right in front of you.

 

Yes i ment the race for HW/GM i acually tried but only got to rank Marshal(rank 12)  My realm was very competative alot of top pvpers, And i didet say i wanted the pre-bc ranking system back i just said it was awsome, And i also said what i wanted not what the whole world should want, We all have different opinions and should respect others aswell.. And i do like largescale PVP aswell just that aion dose it in a very lame way, Slow paced, and it just seems like a big zerg.. I want pvp to involve some tactics, and be skilled based. Sure alot of ppl will say that wow is not skill based at all, but wow acually has some complexity its not just going in to the arena polymorhping the dps and killing the healer, Its alot more involved. anyway, As i said i was ready for this and i always wear my flame cloak on these forums.

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better

No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.

please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right...  your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!

I am always amazed when someone ask if pvp will be as good as in WoW.
In my opinion WoW PvP is pure crap and whoever say different never played Daoc.

The step in right direction was mad by Age of Conan where PvP mechanics are great (mages not that good),  but reward vs loss is not that good.
Darkfall tried something new too but I found it pretty blend and not that interesting.

As for Aion well cant really say it seems they are going in right direction, with different bonuses while you moving ( parry etc.. ) and abilities that you can do while you move.

Originally posted by Xidal

Originally posted by kevingaily

Originally posted by Xidal

Don't think aions PvP will even have a chane of being as sucessful as WoWs The combat is to slow, There is not DR system like in WoW, I mean i kited a gladiator for 20min+ on my ranger in the chiniese version of the game before i got him down. Theres really nothing that really requires skill a clicker can be just as sucessful as a person with keybindings since everything takes so god damn much time to do and i really hated the instant cast things in aion i mean If a spell says its instant cast time i should be able to run and do it not press the ability my character stands still shoots the skill then keep on running. Aion is a good game and i enjoy playing it but if i want some PvP action ill just log on my priest and play some arenas, Sure wow is corrupted and the arenas and BGs are a zerg fest basiclly, But WoWs pvp is alot more competative then aions imo, I will still play both the games tho since i'm kinda tierd of WoW atm.
Well i guess ill just go put on my flame cloak before i get a nasty burn.

 

I wouldn't flame you. There's nothing wrong with liking WOW's system. I loved it, in fact. I really liked the old ranking days. I logged more time in AV than I could even begin to count, lol

I think NCSoft will revamp Aions battle lengths, mark my words, to make it a bit more "westernized." Still, as an older guy who likes to click fight I can appreciate a fight not being over too fast! lol :D

Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Aion is new. Just like WOW added and grew it's PvP content, who's to say Aion won't keep bringing fresh things to the game(or at least adding tried and true PvP content)?

Totally agree, The pre-BC ranking system was awsome:> , Aion would be my new main game if they made 2 changes, 
1. Adding a rated arena system like in WoW, Thats the only good thing still in WoW, rest is just crap, Its also the only thing game wise i really enjoy. Sure some new games are fun for a few hours but rated 2v2,3v3,5v5 tops them all, never gets boring:P

2. And changed the combat system, by that i mean, Making it abit faster and removing the instant cast thing i mentioned eariler. or just increase the run speed a bit, the walking takes forever. both out and in combat.

And as you said, Aion will surley progress in a good way, Its a big change plaing the 1.0 version of the game and the new 1.5, I really hope and think aion will be a great success here in europe, Also please excuse my english;p

1: NO!

2: NO!

If you want Wow pvp play Wow. I find Wow pvp to be horrible and unbalanced.

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better

No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.

 

please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right...  your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!

Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better

No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.

 

please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right...  your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!

Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit

speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.

and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race

and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance,  your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge

are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.

please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better

No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.

 

please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right...  your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!

Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit

 

speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.

and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race

and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance,  your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge

are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.

please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .

After reading this, you obviously never played WoW so it's pointless to argue with you(not that it wasn't pointless before anyway) yet keep in mind that WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact.
Have fun(and read the thread title again, maybe that's what it bought me here) ^_^
At least Lineage 2 had a decent world and nice siege mechanics.

Originally posted by Thenarius

puts on flamesuit

I won't flame you, but I will **HIGHLY ** recommend you not play Aion. It's pvp is much more closely tied to DAoC's version of open, fluid pvp than WoW's restricted, arcade/console-like approach.

I've RvR'ed extensively in DAoC and WAR, and I have also played BGs/arenas pretty much exclusively in WoW (I don't raid). If WoW was the first game where you really leaned how to PvP, Aion's version of PvP will seem like an epic fail to you--not because it isn't good, but because it doesn't provide a neat, enclosed box in which you can pewpew as you run around pillars.

Any game with PvP is better than WoW's pvp system.

I think it will make WoW PvP its little bitch. Open World PvP is the bomb and thats all there is too it. If I wanted to do battle grounds id just go play a FPS. PvP needs to be on the fly it makes you think and if you see a huge group coming to join the battle, there is nothing like that oh shit feeling to get the blood flowing.

The only exception i'll make to that is the 1vs1 duels. Im ok with those because Im a big fan of MMA. But other than that I want crazy random, you never know what your going up against, unbalanced teams battling it out to take control of an area.

Originally posted by Thenarius

...WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact....

Ack, that's about as far from a factual statement as you can get.

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Thenarius

...WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact....

 

Ack, that's about as far from a factual statement as you can get.

Probably because if I'd get into details, I'd get shot by Aion fanboys who aren't reading the actual post, just like now.
Oh well.

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better

No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.

 

please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right...  your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!

Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit

 

speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.

and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race

and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance,  your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge

are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.

please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .

After reading this, you obviously never played WoW so it's pointless to argue with you(not that it wasn't pointless before anyway) yet keep in mind that WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact.
Have fun(and read the thread title again, maybe that's what it bought me here) ^_^
At least Lineage 2 had a decent world and nice siege mechanics.

oh i played wow, the first month it came out.. i saw a piece of crap and took off, best thing i've ever done... i've messed around here and there, we all unfortunetly have a few friends that are mindlessly sucked into that heap of garbage. and i can say, its still as b ad as when i played in month 1.

i don't expect leaps and bounds of awesomeness from AION, though I'm sure that its better then WOW easily. you fail, the door is on your left, have a nice day.

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Thenarius

...WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact....

 

Ack, that's about as far from a factual statement as you can get.

Well Thenarius said it so it must be.

Oh and another thing about Aion. Moving in combat actually gives your character Pluses and Minuses to armor, dodge and damage so that in is self already makes PvP better in Aion IMO.

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better

No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.

 

please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right...  your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!

Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit

 

speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.

and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race

and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance,  your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge

are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.

please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .

After reading this, you obviously never played WoW so it's pointless to argue with you(not that it wasn't pointless before anyway) yet keep in mind that WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact.
Have fun(and read the thread title again, maybe that's what it bought me here) ^_^
At least Lineage 2 had a decent world and nice siege mechanics.

Wow pvp is all about flavor of the month. The Ret Pally has had a pretty long run over the last few months in Wow. The biggest problem I have with Wow pvp is it is so gear based. Wow pvp is all about gear and that is a fact. The next problem I have with Wow pvp is the crazy amount of CC. There is nothing like having no control of your character while you get pummeled in to the ground. Now that is great pvp. :P The reason I'm interested in Aion pvp is it is NOT Wow PVP. The fights last longer and CC is not a major factor in the out come. I do not have any knowledge on how gear comes in to play and have hopes that is not so gear based like Wow.

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better

No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.

 

please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right...  your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!

Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit

 

speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.

and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race

and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance,  your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge

are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.

please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .

After reading this, you obviously never played WoW so it's pointless to argue with you(not that it wasn't pointless before anyway) yet keep in mind that WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact.
Have fun(and read the thread title again, maybe that's what it bought me here) ^_^
At least Lineage 2 had a decent world and nice siege mechanics.

 

Wow pvp is all about flavor of the month. The Ret Pally has had a pretty long run over the last few months in Wow. The biggest problem I have with Wow pvp is it is so gear based. Wow pvp is all about gear and that is a fact. The next problem I have with Wow pvp is the crazy amount of CC. There is nothing like having no control of your character while you get pummeled in to the ground. Now that is great pvp. :P The reason I'm interested in Aion pvp is it is NOT Wow PVP. The fights last longer and CC is not a major factor in the out come. I do not have any knowledge on how gear comes in to play and have hopes that is not so gear based like Wow.

I love CC, CC is fine when you can counter it. CC was all over daoc, but aside from a few instant spells, you had to cast them, and you couldn't cast threw being hit/dmg'd which is how I believe casting should work in all games.

 The reason I'm interested in Aion pvp is it is NOT Wow PVP. The fights last longer and CC is not a major factor in the out come. I do not have any knowledge on how gear comes in to play and have hopes that is not so gear based like Wow.

You DO KNOW CC is not a major factor, but DO NOT KNOW how gear comes in to play?

Sounds to me you don't know either, only those who played beta to high levels or played a Korean version can be of some input here, if you're not one of them do not present us with "facts".

Has anyone pvpve'ed yet?  Im still curious how that would be fun, dont like the idea of pve interference during a pvp battle, but it could be done right i guess, still undecided if this is a good idea (in my opinion at least)

One thing they could do to the pvp is speed up attacks.  I know its like the most hated game in the world, but aoc has some phenominal pvp due to their fast attacks and combos, really made for an interesting fight, in groups and 1vs1.

During their many betas i was a bit dissapointed in the combat of aion, though i know i only got to experience it at lower levels,  was won dering at endgame does it speed up, or are battles drawn out due to slower combat?

Im really going to miss ffa open world pvp....god i hope they put a ffa server up.  not because i like to gank (i do) but because leveling up in that enviroment is kinda exciting, forces you to make groups for defence ect.

vinter i got nothing againsnt people that dislike WoW cause the game has its faults but you only played the first month of its releaese. Thats like a highschool drop out saying hes a rocket scientist. Thats how much knowledge you have on WoW. Your my good sir are ignorant. Hell the average WoW hater knows more than you. Doesn't say to much about your character buddy. Though your doing a great job at making yourself look stupid

Originally posted by Frostbite05

vinter i got nothing againsnt people that dislike WoW cause the game has its faults but you only played the first month of its releaese. Thats like a highschool drop out saying hes a rocket scientist. Thats how much knowledge you have on WoW. Your my good sir are ignorant. Hell the average WoW hater knows more than you. Doesn't say to much about your character buddy. Though your doing a great job at making yourself look stupid

i've been playing mmos long enough to know a shitty game pretty easily, and wow is absolutely wtf awesome, for a casual gamer, who wants to be rewarded easily, and wants to socialize. Seriously, its fucking amazing, and I'm not being sarcastic.

But for someone who isn't really all about the pve, and the pointless radio, and the awesome exspansion that make me keep leveling... and wants a game thats focused on pvp, wow is absolutely no where near the game for them. Got that? Make sense?

Originally posted by wizyy

 The reason I'm interested in Aion pvp is it is NOT Wow PVP. The fights last longer and CC is not a major factor in the out come. I do not have any knowledge on how gear comes in to play and have hopes that is not so gear based like Wow.

You DO KNOW CC is not a major factor, but DO NOT KNOW how gear comes in to play?

Sounds to me you don't know either, only those who played beta to high levels or played a Korean version can be of some input here, if you're not one of them do not present us with "facts".

It's simple just watch video's of high end pvp. Have you ever studied for a test? You can watch high end pvp and see that CC is not a major play. No matter how much I watch though I can not tell how much gear comes in to play and or level.

Well to the guy who said Wow's classes were one of the best balanced in all mmo's. OBVIOUSLY You only play mage.