Well im not that exited bout GW2 , although i loved GW pre add ons.. wich was the only (Arena) NCS title i ever enjoyed.

The same goes for  all the other  announced stuff , no exitement  at all .

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

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Originally posted by Leodious

 

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

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Originally posted by Loke666
 
NC soft is only publishing it. It is made by the team who made Warcraft 3 (even though Strain quited a year ago).
Arenanet have nothing in common with NC soft except the fact that both uses NC soft as a publisher.

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NCsoft own Arenanet, they bought them.

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Arenanet never really existed alone; they got NCSoft to fund Guild Wars because they were the people that made Warcraft, and NCSoft salivated at the idea. They left Blizzard, which is why everything from Blizzard sucks now, and Arenanet makes great games. Arenanet functions totally independently; that was part of the contract as Anet said years ago. They are part of NCWest because they are a western company, but they do not answer to NCSoft. NCSoft is happy to have them making games under them. They get profit from some of the greatest minds in gaming and don't have to work for the privilege. Anet has the financial security that comes from being under NCSoft. Guild Wars was nothing like other NC offerings, and NC is glad to have someone so different under them. Please understand what you are saying before making short quips that you think are smart.

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Why are you taking what I said offensively, I know perfectly well who arenanet are and their relationship with NCsoft, the user said that Arenanet have nothing in relation to NCsoft which was incorrect

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Because you are wrong and that has the potential to confuse people. NCSoft is only publishing the game, and Arenanet is only using NCSoft in the capacity of a publisher. Arenanet IS self-contained and the development of their games is in no way influenced by NCSoft's style or method.

So, I am offended by people that are completely wrong, but maintain they know what they are talking about and assert their correctness while continuing to say things that are not correct. That makes you a troll or just someone stupid with a thing against Arenanet. I also ususally think someone that colors their text is a troll or desperately seeking attention. And since your post is likely to be seen more readily than others, I want people to know you are wrong. I don't want people to write off this game as a NCSoft grinder because of people like you before they know anything about it.

Originally posted by Leodious

 

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

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Originally posted by Leodious

 

 

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

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Originally posted by Loke666
 
NC soft is only publishing it. It is made by the team who made Warcraft 3 (even though Strain quited a year ago).
Arenanet have nothing in common with NC soft except the fact that both uses NC soft as a publisher.

 

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NCsoft own Arenanet, they bought them.

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Arenanet never really existed alone; they got NCSoft to fund Guild Wars because they were the people that made Warcraft, and NCSoft salivated at the idea. They left Blizzard, which is why everything from Blizzard sucks now, and Arenanet makes great games. Arenanet functions totally independently; that was part of the contract as Anet said years ago. They are part of NCWest because they are a western company, but they do not answer to NCSoft. NCSoft is happy to have them making games under them. They get profit from some of the greatest minds in gaming and don't have to work for the privilege. Anet has the financial security that comes from being under NCSoft. Guild Wars was nothing like other NC offerings, and NC is glad to have someone so different under them. Please understand what you are saying before making short quips that you think are smart.

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Why are you taking what I said offensively, I know perfectly well who arenanet are and their relationship with NCsoft, the user said that Arenanet have nothing in relation to NCsoft which was incorrect

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Because you are wrong and that has the potential to confuse people. NCSoft is only publishing the game, and Arenanet is only using NCSoft in the capacity of a publisher. Arenanet IS self-contained and the development of their games is in no way influenced by NCSoft's style or method.

So, I am offended by people that are completely wrong, but maintain they know what they are talking about and assert their correctness while continuing to say things that are not correct. That makes you a troll or just someone stupid with a thing against Arenanet. I also ususally think someone that colors their text is a troll or desperately seeking attention. And since your post is likely to be seen more readily than others, I want people to know you are wrong. I don't want people to write off this game as a NCSoft grinder because of people like you before they know anything about it.

Well, i loved GW and i like most NCSoft games.

I dont agree that they are totally independent from NCSoft, like i said before, the graphic style is very near from the other NCSoft games and this cannot be a coincidence.

For example, my brother played GW for 3 years and for the last year he stopped palying games for personal reasons. Some weeks ago i showed him Aion when I was playing the closed beta. His first comment was, and without even knowing it was an NCSoft game: "Nice graphics, the character style remind me Guild Wars"

What I mean is that I agree that Arenanet is independent, but i do think they follow some lines defines by NC in order to be distributed by them. Either that ot there are some great coincidences between GW and the other NC games

The characters do have a little similarity to Aion, not as much as you think but it is there. The environment and terrain? No way, no similarity at all.

Also I think it's more or less a concidences. People like Aion for more than it's art style and I think those are the reason it was chosen. Yes people have mentioned a similiarity to Guild Wars as far as art design but that's only two of the titles that NCSoft publishes... there are many more that have nothing in common.

I agree it's a coincidence. And really it is the player characters that have any sort of similar look. The art direction of the games are different. I've played both games and get no sense of sameness or similarity. For example the monsters you fight couldn't be any more different.

Originally posted by Leodious

 

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

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Originally posted by Leodious

 

 

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

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Originally posted by Loke666
 
NC soft is only publishing it. It is made by the team who made Warcraft 3 (even though Strain quited a year ago).
Arenanet have nothing in common with NC soft except the fact that both uses NC soft as a publisher.

 

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NCsoft own Arenanet, they bought them.

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Arenanet never really existed alone; they got NCSoft to fund Guild Wars because they were the people that made Warcraft, and NCSoft salivated at the idea. They left Blizzard, which is why everything from Blizzard sucks now, and Arenanet makes great games. Arenanet functions totally independently; that was part of the contract as Anet said years ago. They are part of NCWest because they are a western company, but they do not answer to NCSoft. NCSoft is happy to have them making games under them. They get profit from some of the greatest minds in gaming and don't have to work for the privilege. Anet has the financial security that comes from being under NCSoft. Guild Wars was nothing like other NC offerings, and NC is glad to have someone so different under them. Please understand what you are saying before making short quips that you think are smart.

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Why are you taking what I said offensively, I know perfectly well who arenanet are and their relationship with NCsoft, the user said that Arenanet have nothing in relation to NCsoft which was incorrect

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Because you are wrong and that has the potential to confuse people. NCSoft is only publishing the game, and Arenanet is only using NCSoft in the capacity of a publisher. Arenanet IS self-contained and the development of their games is in no way influenced by NCSoft's style or method.

So, I am offended by people that are completely wrong, but maintain they know what they are talking about and assert their correctness while continuing to say things that are not correct. That makes you a troll or just someone stupid with a thing against Arenanet. I also ususally think someone that colors their text is a troll or desperately seeking attention. And since your post is likely to be seen more readily than others, I want people to know you are wrong. I don't want people to write off this game as a NCSoft grinder because of people like you before they know anything about it.

You know what; I’m not even going to argue with you...you just going to take everything i say the wrong way for the sake of being a pain in the ass

Peace

NCSofts logo is all over the game so you are arguing over nothing. Take away NCSofts money and servers, no more GW or GW2.

NCSoft is the company that went out on a limb and gave the little western guy a chance and shelled out the investment capital just like City of Heroes, Auto Assault,  Tabula Rasa. Cryptic made it big time because someone gave them a chance.

You may not like NCSoft because they are "Asian" but they have given more western underdogs a shot then anyone else I've seen. I don't see Turbine or Funcom publishing anyones games...

Originally posted by Torak

NCSofts logo is all over the game so you are arguing over nothing. Take away NCSofts money and servers, no more GW or GW2.

 

I don't think anybody is disputing that. Some people have the impression that NCSoft is actually developing or creating the game though, they aren't. ArenaNet is creating the game. It is like the structure of Activision and Blizzard or EA and Bioware.

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Originally posted by arenasb

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Originally posted by Torak

NCSofts logo is all over the game so you are arguing over nothing. Take away NCSofts money and servers, no more GW or GW2.
 

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I don't think anybody is disputing that. Some people have the impression that NCSoft is actually developing or creating the game though, they aren't. ArenaNet is creating the game. It is like the structure of Activision and Blizzard or EA and Bioware.

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Exactly. I have no idea why this is so complicated for some of these people. I am growing annoyed by people noting similarities. They are few and they are slight. It is no more the same than many MMOs out there today. It is tiresome to have to correct people time and again when they think Arenanet being under NC means NC controls their games. NCSoft likes the money they get, but part of the ownership agreement is that Arenanet makes the games it wants to make with no interference.

Seriously, if you do not care enough about the games to even understand how the companies function, you need to stop trolling these forums. I am tired of it.

Originally posted by arenasb

Originally posted by Torak

NCSofts logo is all over the game so you are arguing over nothing. Take away NCSofts money and servers, no more GW or GW2.

 

 

I don't think anybody is disputing that. Some people have the impression that NCSoft is actually developing or creating the game though, they aren't. ArenaNet is creating the game. It is like the structure of Activision and Blizzard or EA and Bioware.

I will dispute that, and counter it. Without ArenaNet NCSoft would be in a world of hurt in the western world. To add, just because NCSoft funded the games does not mean ArenaNet is locked to them, the contract does have clauses to protect a developer from a publisher trying to control them in the entirety, and vice-versa, however they could always get another publisher, and I know several companies would be more than willing.

This is a two way road, NCSoft cannot destroy GW, or GW2 because it still belongs to ArenaNet. It is like people who own stock, they have say, but only to a certain point.

Direct quote from ArenaNet.com:

"Located in Bellevue, Washington, ArenaNet is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Korea-based NCsoft Corporation."

Need a definition of subsidiary?

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subsidiary

There you go.

Other subsidiaries of NCSoft here in the states?

Paragon Studios

Carbine Studios

Hope that clears up some of the confusion.  If not, then research a bit more and I hope things become clear to you.

Originally posted by Kushiel666

Direct quote from ArenaNet.com:

"Located in Bellevue, Washington, ArenaNet is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Korea-based NCsoft Corporation."

Need a definition of subsidiary?

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subsidiary

There you go.

Other subsidiaries of NCSoft here in the states?

Paragon Studios

Carbine Studios

 

Hope that clears up some of the confusion.  If not, then research a bit more and I hope things become clear to you.

All that shows is they are published by NCSoft, sorry to burst your bubble of fun!

Using your own link for reference:

The parent and subsidiary remain separate legal entities, and the obligations of one are separate from those of the other. Nevertheless, if a subsidiary becomes financially insecure, the parent corporation is often sued by creditors. In some instances courts will hold the parent corporation liable, but generally the separation of corporate identities immunizes the parent corporation from financial responsibility for the subsidiary's liabilities.

And in the gaming industry, words do have different meanings. I would know, I am studying the industry in college.

Originally posted by Kenaoshi

yeah, another welcome success. :)

Like tabula rasa?

Originally posted by Albos

Originally posted by Kenaoshi

yeah, another welcome success. :)

 

Like tabula rasa?

 

Tabula rasa is NSsoft only fail, all there other games are very successful, Tubala rasas fail was Richard garriots fault more than NCsofts.

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

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Originally posted by Albos

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Originally posted by Kenaoshi

yeah, another welcome success. :)

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Like tabula rasa?
 

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Tabula rasa is NSsoft only fail, all there other games are very successful, Tubala rasas fail was Richard garriots fault more than NCsofts.

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Auto Assault?

Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by SgtFrog

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Originally posted by Albos

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Originally posted by Kenaoshi

 

yeah, another welcome success. :)

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Like tabula rasa?
 

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Tabula rasa is NSsoft only fail, all there other games are very successful, Tubala rasas fail was Richard garriots fault more than NCsofts.

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Auto Assault?

Hmm yeah, forgot about that game...I always get it confused with eXsteel, lol.
But meh, still does not change the fact that the rest of their games are doing well...whats the poing in waisitng money in a failing game, its a business after all.

Every publisher has there failures.

 @xaldraxius

Auto Assault was a very ambitious, generally well polished game that had the misfortune of being too different from the other MMOs on the market (more so than GW,) along with a rather steep learning curve that kept it from developing a large enough niche.

As far as GW looking like every other NCSoft MMO, it's likely because GW got it righ. Of the games that came out at around the same time or before GW, Lineage was too wierd and asian to be a hit in the western markets, and CoH was too western to resonate /w the asians. GW was the first to strike a winning balance, and the rest are following suit.

The fact remains those games had a limited audience to begin with, no real backing by the company, they were made, and then left. Buggy at launch, performance issues and other things combined led to their demise, you cannot create a game with a limited audience and then do those things to the limited player base.

ANet proved themselved with GW1 in my opinion.

Sure, I did only play it for a few months before it became to repetetive for my taste. But the game was very polished and had a smooth launch.

I expect the same quality for their next product. And a full mmo will of course be entertaining for a longer time than a few months.

NcSoft being the funder and publisher means nothing to me, positive or negative. ANet are the developers.

Originally posted by spyder2k5

Originally posted by Kushiel666

Direct quote from ArenaNet.com:

"Located in Bellevue, Washington, ArenaNet is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Korea-based NCsoft Corporation."

Need a definition of subsidiary?

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subsidiary

There you go.

Other subsidiaries of NCSoft here in the states?

Paragon Studios

Carbine Studios

 

Hope that clears up some of the confusion.  If not, then research a bit more and I hope things become clear to you.

 

All that shows is they are published by NCSoft, sorry to burst your bubble of fun!

 

Using your own link for reference:

The parent and subsidiary remain separate legal entities, and the obligations of one are separate from those of the other. Nevertheless, if a subsidiary becomes financially insecure, the parent corporation is often sued by creditors. In some instances courts will hold the parent corporation liable, but generally the separation of corporate identities immunizes the parent corporation from financial responsibility for the subsidiary's liabilities.

And in the gaming industry, words do have different meanings. I would know, I am studying the industry in college.

Uh, what bubble was there to burst?  I just listed what their relationship with each other was.  I didn't try to claim anything.  People seamed confused on their relation, I posted direct links that explained it. 

Furthermore, what does your studying the industry in college have anything to do with anything?  I hope your not going to ITT for that.  I graduated from there with a bachelors degree in digital entertainment and game design and for the most part was a complete waste of time other than being a minor introduction to a few things.  Don't take that as horrible, though.  You get what you put into it, so it just means you have to teach yourself a lot.  ITT, Devry, Full Sail, Art Institute are all about the same in regard to game courses.  Hope wherever you are at you get what you want out of it.

That said, your in college so you should be able to interpret what you read.  People were posting a lot of different things without anything to back up what they were saying.  All I did was provide a few references to explain in more detail.  There were no "bubbles of fun" in what I posted, thus nothing for you to pop.

Have a nice day.