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Originally posted by WizGamer

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

Magic the Gathering was an E-sport too. Not sure if it still is... ESPN likes money too and lately it seems Blizzard has plenty enough to buy into the mainstream. Go go capitalism!
Sadly for WoW fans this is may actually be the first sign that the game has become 'too' mainstream and will begin to collapse. Fads cannot hold up to mainstream attention for long. When something becomes so big that it seems that 'everyone is doing it' the rebellious side of human nature kicks in and suddenly it's 'not cool'.

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HAHAH
 
yeah right. Tell that to Facebook or social networking or Ipods. Attaining mainstream is the solution to the question of persistence. If you want something to persist, you make it mainstream or evolve into something mainstream. Mainstream increases demand exponentially until there is a max capacity of users and I don't think WoW has reached that.
 
If anything, WoW's age and archaic gameplay will kill it, not the fact that it is "mainstream."

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I've had a long time to watch trends come and go in my life. Hula Hoops, Cabbage Patch Kids, Beanie Babies, Poke'mon... the list goes on. The trend generally starts off slow, then the mainstream catches on and suddenly everybody wants in; you have mothers fighting tooth and nail for the last doll on the shelf, people waiting in line for days for that next expansion, stupid little toys selling for ridiculous amounts of money... But after a couple of years, generally at the most, people are burned out on the crap. You say "Hey dude wanna go buy a box of the new MTG expansion?" and your friend responds, "Nah, I'm kinda sick of that game. Now I'm into breeding Chinese fighting lizards!" and you'll be all like "Chinese fighting lizards? Awesome!".

Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by WizGamer

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

Magic the Gathering was an E-sport too. Not sure if it still is... ESPN likes money too and lately it seems Blizzard has plenty enough to buy into the mainstream. Go go capitalism!
Sadly for WoW fans this is may actually be the first sign that the game has become 'too' mainstream and will begin to collapse. Fads cannot hold up to mainstream attention for long. When something becomes so big that it seems that 'everyone is doing it' the rebellious side of human nature kicks in and suddenly it's 'not cool'.

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HAHAH
 
yeah right. Tell that to Facebook or social networking or Ipods. Attaining mainstream is the solution to the question of persistence. If you want something to persist, you make it mainstream or evolve into something mainstream. Mainstream increases demand exponentially until there is a max capacity of users and I don't think WoW has reached that.
 
If anything, WoW's age and archaic gameplay will kill it, not the fact that it is "mainstream."

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I've had a long time to watch trends come and go in my life. Hula Hoops, Cabbage Patch Kids, Beanie Babies, Poke'mon... the list goes on. The trend generally starts off slow, then the mainstream catches on and suddenly everybody wants in; you have mothers fighting tooth and nail for the last doll on the shelf, people waiting in line for days for that next expansion, stupid little toys selling for ridiculous amounts of money... But after a couple of years, generally at the most, people are burned out on the crap. You say "Hey dude wanna go buy a box of the new MTG expansion?" and your friend responds, "Nah, I'm kinda sick of that game. Now I'm into breeding Chinese fighting lizards!" and you'll be all like "Chinese fighting lizards? Awesome!".

 

lol damn I had almost forgotten about cabbage patch kids!!!! And it also reminded me of member only jackets and the first air jordans!!! and all the knock and clones of cabbage patch kids and member only jackets and I bet this is why just like with any other fad that there are wow clones....

ps I guess you can put me in the im trying to be cool and bash WOW cause its the cool thing to do club lol ...NOT (that argument always makes me laugh the whole your only wow hating cause its the cool thing to do....no im wow hating cause I think it set the genre back 5 years and there are so many wow fanbois"

Originally posted by beeker255

Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by WizGamer

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

Magic the Gathering was an E-sport too. Not sure if it still is... ESPN likes money too and lately it seems Blizzard has plenty enough to buy into the mainstream. Go go capitalism!
Sadly for WoW fans this is may actually be the first sign that the game has become 'too' mainstream and will begin to collapse. Fads cannot hold up to mainstream attention for long. When something becomes so big that it seems that 'everyone is doing it' the rebellious side of human nature kicks in and suddenly it's 'not cool'.

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HAHAH
 
yeah right. Tell that to Facebook or social networking or Ipods. Attaining mainstream is the solution to the question of persistence. If you want something to persist, you make it mainstream or evolve into something mainstream. Mainstream increases demand exponentially until there is a max capacity of users and I don't think WoW has reached that.
 
If anything, WoW's age and archaic gameplay will kill it, not the fact that it is "mainstream."

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I've had a long time to watch trends come and go in my life. Hula Hoops, Cabbage Patch Kids, Beanie Babies, Poke'mon... the list goes on. The trend generally starts off slow, then the mainstream catches on and suddenly everybody wants in; you have mothers fighting tooth and nail for the last doll on the shelf, people waiting in line for days for that next expansion, stupid little toys selling for ridiculous amounts of money... But after a couple of years, generally at the most, people are burned out on the crap. You say "Hey dude wanna go buy a box of the new MTG expansion?" and your friend responds, "Nah, I'm kinda sick of that game. Now I'm into breeding Chinese fighting lizards!" and you'll be all like "Chinese fighting lizards? Awesome!".

 

lol damn I had almost forgotten about cabbage patch kids!!!! And it also reminded me of member only jackets and the first air jordans!!! and all the knock and clones of cabbage patch kids and member only jackets and I bet this is why just like with any other fad that there are wow clones....

ps I guess you can put me in the im trying to be cool and bash WOW cause its the cool thing to do club lol ...NOT (that argument always makes me laugh the whole your only wow hating cause its the cool thing to do....no im wow hating cause I think it set the genre back 5 years and there are so many wow fanbois"

 

mm ,i think most are just tired ,most have leveled 5 lvl 80 prtobably go in starting area and do a new lvl 1 because their server is down ,then erased the same toon what 1000 time lol.

will be good to have cataclysm next year ,

till then in the new game theres only gw2.in recent game you get rune of magic that is fair .maybe ddo will be loved once its f2p (probably)

for me im hooked on eq2 took forever to choose a class/race combo but now im fixed 

but this is an adult choice ,most kids wont come to eq2,wich makes this game so appealing to adult 

i was astonished to see the amount of adult playing this game,only time you see kids is the trial account 

there probably are kids in eq2 but i dont believe it.its mainly adult

There are warcraft arena scrimmage already, and tournaments for arena espn, with first place for $250,000 in cash i may think of going arena pro as well.

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I would have sticked with EQ2, if it wasn't for the RMT item mall strapped on the game. Too bad I guess.

Does any mmorpg offer you the chance to be on TV? and pvp for $250,000 in cash prizes? You may be the next e sport michael jordan lol if you can arena pvp your way to the top bracket in arena LIVE ON TV.

Yes i didnt think so. Going pro e sport will be tough you got to go against millions of opponent fighting for first place.

Originally posted by Furor

Does any mmorpg offer you the chance to be on TV? and pvp for $250,000 in cash prizes? You may be the next e sport michael jordan lol if you can arena pvp your way to the top bracket in arena LIVE ON TV.

 

Yes i didnt think so. Going pro e sport will be tough you got to go against millions of opponent fighting for first place.

With all the channels and all the reality shows being on TV nowadays is not really a great feat anymore hehe.

Originally posted by Furor

Does any mmorpg offer you the chance to be on TV? and pvp for $250,000 in cash prizes? You may be the next e sport michael jordan lol if you can arena pvp your way to the top bracket in arena LIVE ON TV.

 

Yes i didnt think so. Going pro e sport will be tough you got to go against millions of opponent fighting for first place.

Well, slightly on topic, but SyFy has a show called "The Ultimate Gamer" where you compete on TV for prizes and prove you are the "Ultimate Gamer", I don't see much of a difference between that and watching WoW Arena on ESPN.

And Zon, it amazes me, it simply f***ing amazes me how ignorant and bias some people can be, namely you. You are assuming everyone pays full 6month subscriptions. Half of WoW's market, asia, mainly play in cafes specialized for it, where they pay by the hour, don't know the price there, but based on that, not everyone is paying that "180 a year". Not every subscribes to that 6month plan either, some buy 30-60-whatever time cards instead.

If you are wanting to play ignorant fanboy, do some research first =P

Oh..mommy mommy..he hurt my feelings..whhaaaaaaaaa...uuhwwaaaaa...

Not gonna mention any names cause I probably get another warning and/or a ban, just gonna say this; If you can't handle to be flamed yourself, don't go flame other people and no, I didn't report him back. I got thicker skin than that, especially on a forum arguing with a bunch of strangers...

Anyway, to get back on topic, I think I'm beginning to like old Zorn here :D He defends the game with a vengeance.

I have not read all posts.. too lazy but on to the Topic.

WoW Arena is an Esport as much as any other team game is.

Fairness
All toons wear the same teir of gear and all players can chose their class and spec.

Planning
They can customise their gear with gems as they see fit, spec as they see fit, chose their glyphs as they see fit and importantly know the make up of the opposing team. Working as a team they need to pick their classes & specs to best the other team.

Execution
You cannot face roll a professional Arena team, they are vented up, have put 100's of hours in as a team and know how to play as a team.

Yes on the normal arena games there might be the odd multiboxer who will wipe the floor with another team with a x4 chain lighting, thats the 1 in a million exception not the rule. There will be trams that outgear others, there willbe teams sooooo much better than others.  But on the professional circuit it does come down to skills and team work.

You might not like WoW or WoW PvP specificly but dont discount it untill you have played at the top end.

In summery to compete at the top level you need teamwork, planning, practice and knowldege/skill of the all classes.

Your post is a good one coffee. However, mmorpg's aren't suited for a fair competition like an FPS is for example. It's just the nature of the game. If you were to make the competition so you could only play one class with the same abilities so it really is a level playing field than it would have a heck of a lot more credence. It probably wouldn't be as interesting but it would be much more in line with an "E-Sport" (I have real trouble calling video games sport) such as an FPS.

I was dissapointed of this...a lot. If you wanna see why, look at a S3 tournament then look at this(and this is pretty much why I hold a crusade versus WOTLK on most forums).

A Little FYI about ESPN programming.

ESPN only shows fringe sports and video games during their off hours. The fishing, bowling, Arena Football, Xgames, World Series of Poker and Magic the Gathering all were put on ESPN when they have nothing better to show. However there is one distinct difference about those types of shows from the normal ESPN events. They pay to be on ESPN. They pay for the commentators to come and cover the event. ESPN has always been willing to show new sports or events and see if they catch on, but it is always for a fee.

World of Warcraft being on ESPN is simply a product of ESPN target audience being the same as WOW and Blizzard deciding it would be a good place to promote their product to their target audience. If the show actually started getting a buzz or even some ratings it could join the Xgames, Poker and Arena Football and become something ESPN would be willing to cover for free or even pay to show.

Magic was not so popular that ESPN decided to cover it. Neither is WOW. Just something that was paid for much like an infomercial.

Xgames is fairly popular though, I doubt they pay ESPN to have it covered. Also for some reason the Poker games have a good following as well. A video game could get shown for quite a bit, Madden football has been shown for quite a while. Also the And-One basketball farce was televised a lot too. But as you said, all of those except perhaps the X-games were taped and shown at non prime time hours.

Poker and the Xgames are examples of events that made it so to speak. Xgames now makes big bucks for the TV rights. 15 years ago when they started in Newport and Providence, RI they were not commanding any sort of TV money to speak of. Same thing with Poker. 10 years ago it was not worth paying to show. Now? The World Series of Poker probably gets several million a year just from the ESPN TV rights alone. Not to mention all the off shoot shows I see on every other channel.

Andone, Madden Football all of those are just more examples of advertising shows paid for by the companies featured. EA has a larger deal promoting their products on ESPN so I am sure it is just a part of the overall ad package EA has with ESPN. The AndOne deal probably only allowed AndOne exposure and ESPN made all the money from the shows advertising. AndOne sold some tickets and DVDs.

Every contract is different but ever since ESPN was started they have tried to parlay obscure sports or events into Television gold. World’s Strongest Man, Americas Cup Boat Racing, Nascar(20 years ago it was not big), Drag Racing, Monster Trucks, Tractor Pulls, Formula One, Super Bikes Etc were all things ESPN covered for nothing or were paid to cover and they built an Empire on it. I predict you will continue to see more E-Sports events on ESPN as gaming becomes more mainstream and competitive.

can't wait to see all the DK/Druid on DK/Druid fights.