Originally posted by Moodah

hehe yeah ... like Blizzard had this WoW Lore bible along the lore 10 commandments, that they are abliged to cling to, locked in a safe somewhere :P

amen!

As someone who who witnessed the NGE first hand,i have to say,OP is a f'tard.

Originally posted by describable

didn't they say... that they were changing the entire 3 talent tree's with this expansion, instead of adding to them.

just saying.

Yes.

What they detailed so far is that a player will no longer spend points on talents that give passive bonuses to ability and spell schools.  No more buying 1% crit/hit/dodge, 10% extra critical strike damage, etc. 

Instead each talent will add either a new ability or alter how a current ability works to give it new uses.  They showed how a talent would add a 60% run speed buff when a priest casts power word shield on someone. 

oh noz!

Originally posted by Pomy

I started a thread about how the new WoW expansion was very similar to the NGE.  It lasted about 10 minutes before it was deleted.  It appears that maybe Blizzard is about to make the same mistake SOE did with the NGE. WoW's new expansion is very similar to the NGE. My statement is extreme however the effect on the playerbase will be very similar.  /shame

QFT, well mostly truth.

They are revamping the stats.  Elminating hit rating, haste, spellpower, etc and just all folding them into the base stats and talents.  This will require revamping all the gear ingame currently to reflect such change.  This isn't like BC, when they just changed an item from +1% crit to +14 crit rating, they are completely redoing how gear and stats work.  This IS very much like a drastic NGE change, as they are homoginizing the classes even further.

They are redoing the class/race system.  It is close to being like EQ2, in that every race can be almost every class now.  Nevermind that Tauren Paladins and Night Elf Mages makes no sense to the lore, they are doing it anyways.  Again not as drastic as the class changes done in SWG, but there is a similarity.

Yes all the Blizzcon videos showed loud cheers at the Cataclysm announcement.  Remember though that people that go to Blizzcon are fanboys, of course they're gonna cheer anything Blizz announces.  It is people that don't go to these conventions that seem to be having some reservations about this xpac.

So what if they are revamping the entire game, as long as it is for the best outcome I Personally don't care. WoW is by far the best MMO I have ever seen and if Blizz thinks that by redoing such changes or adding new features the game will generate more clientel then so be it. All I am concerned is about the Instance error launching thingy that my man has got to change ASAP is getting rather annoying.

*puts sky back in place*

the x-pac actually made me consider subbing for WoW again. Then my g'f pointed out the part i really enjoyed still isnt coming back, the 40 man raids that were hard to beat. 

I say bravo to redoing the starting area and vanillia content though. Streamlining it IS needed.  It's a shame I will never see my 40 man content again in WoW. =(

Originally posted by Pomy

I started a thread about how the new WoW expansion was very similar to the NGE.  It lasted about 10 minutes before it was deleted.  It appears that maybe Blizzard is about to make the same mistake SOE did with the NGE. WoW's new expansion is very similar to the NGE. My statement is extreme however the effect on the playerbase will be very similar.  /shame

mm not even close from what i read about nge not even close.wow way is and will be grand but they re not booting whole game to make it say a la swg 

soe booted swg and just kept the map changed everything else if they had kept the core like wow is doing swg would be very popular today.soe probably doesnt see a big difference but if they asked gamer they would see theres a huge diff

Originally posted by steamtank

*puts sky back in place*

 

the x-pac actually made me consider subbing for WoW again. Then my g'f pointed out the part i really enjoyed still isnt coming back, the 40 man raids that were hard to beat. 

 

I say bravo to redoing the starting area and vanillia content though. Streamlining it IS needed.  It's a shame I will never see my 40 man content again in WoW. =(

i miss the 40 man raids but i don't miss how mind numbingly easy they were. They weren't harder than 25 mans you just more people that could fuck up

Originally posted by spyder2k5

As a player since internal Alpha, this change is as bad as the NGE or worse.
 
Lets face it Blizzard is all about the money when it was about the players. Bad thing? Not for a company but for a fanbase to lose everything it is.
 
No change of classes? They are redoing the talent system adding two new races which by all lore standards don't match either faction. That is lore breaking. No matter how they try to swing the story, Worgen want blood they don't want the alliance. Goblins want money, and we all know Horde are not paying them, they will never fit or fly with anyone who knows the story.
 
Lets move on, Tauren Paladin? So what, they are going to bend the light to their will like the Belfs? Sorry not buying it they are nature.
 
Lets look into how Dwarves do not believe or use magic yet now all of a sudden they will have Mage? Sorry not buying it.
 
I can go on.
 
This game is self destructing it hold on or let go, either way it is on it's way out. You cannot change the fundamentals of a game and its lore and warp it to appease a certain player group. This is an expansion to make the most money they can in the shortest time possible before its over.
 
The PvE to PvP server transfers were to never happen, they did.
 
Than the breaker, faction transfers. Sorry this made an already unbalanced game that much so, all I have seen is Alliance players wanting to switch to Horde because Horde are "better" right now. and Seeing Blood Elves are the most popular race in the game that does not help, now will the fact Goblins will have what looks to be the best looking mounts with this new expansion. Total imbalance and destruction of a total faction, yes people will play both, just think of Horde to Ally ratio being what it used to be before Burning Crusade when Alliance was outnumbered, except lasting into yet another expansion.
 
My sub is active, so don't tell me I don't know what i am talking about, I came up with a few of the fundamental ideas all you mindless fanboi sheep hold dearly in the game. I been here since Internal Alpha, 5 almost 6 years now. I seen it all, or so I thought.
 
Final thoughts it is time for WoW to kill itself. The only game that can kill WoW is WoW itself. They want to make room for their other games starting with Starcraft  2 and than Diablo 3 when WoW kills itself they will announce their new MMO. They want people to move on to it, but in the mean time push profits in their ever getting easier game to the highest pinnacle of all time.
 
Time to open your eyes and see the truth. All information is based on facts. Don't swing it, but you may need to take heed to this warning. This expansion will change everything we held dear to the Warcraft universe and WoW, you never know what you had until its gone. This is WoW:NGE

ill probably get banned again but ill just say what everyone is thinking after they read your little "rant". You sir are a dumbass.

Originally posted by Pomy

I started a thread about how the new WoW expansion was very similar to the NGE.  It lasted about 10 minutes before it was deleted.  It appears that maybe Blizzard is about to make the same mistake SOE did with the NGE. WoW's new expansion is very similar to the NGE. My statement is extreme however the effect on the playerbase will be very similar.  /shame

I dont see why it should have been deleted if you were comparing WOW to another game . I sometime think theres mods in these forums that arnt  as impartial as they should be . I would file a complaint . I dont know how far it ll get you because this site proberbly makes a lot of money from Blizzards advertising and theres people that activly patrol these forums reporting anything they consider to be trolling such it the level of the fanaticsm . WoWs not a bad game but these days you cant even make comments about the things that concern you in its gameplay without some idiot labeling you a wowhater or a troll . mind you after spending time in the warcraft community i m not suprised at this type of behaviour .

Originally posted by Pomy

I started a thread about how the new WoW expansion was very similar to the NGE.  It lasted about 10 minutes before it was deleted.  It appears that maybe Blizzard is about to make the same mistake SOE did with the NGE. WoW's new expansion is very similar to the NGE. My statement is extreme however the effect on the playerbase will be very similar.  /shame

No, it really isn't... do you even know anything about what the NGE did to SWG or are you just jumping on a bandwagon without actually looking at the bandwagon first? You obviously have zero clue what you're talking about and just want to cause trouble, get your 15 seconds of e-fame and create some monstrous troll thread. Granted, mentioning one of the most hated sagas in MMOG history is a good way to stir up bad feelings and trouble... too bad it's totally off the mark and wrong though. Oh well... 

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Azeroth will change after the attack of a dragon coming out of its history sleep (WC2).

WOW 2 begins... where they left of with the newer techniques used in TBC/WOTLK (flying mounts/dual spec/phasing....)

The core of the game is being set in a new history cycle (like with WC1, WC2, WC3).

My question is: in which era will the film be projected? :))).

----> A good advice to the WOW hating folks here: learn to relax, you'll need it.

 

WOW 2 begins on the day Blizzard release WOW 2 . The cataclysm is a revamp with a few new areas battlegrounds, dungeons and races thrown in for good measure . Having said  that some of it sound interesting . If it returns WOW to something resembling  what it was before they brought om changes that made the game endgame heavy i ll be all for it . When it comes to the way Blizzard do buisness i m a firm sceptic . Its a good core game run by a company thats all to willing to sacrifce long term  gameplay for short term gain . Lets all wait and see what the Cataclysm really brings . I ve a feeling like the Lich King there will be a lot of excitement untill the problems with content become apparent. . If Blizzard are going to do this expac right its most likly to be a year away . If they rush it out without testing it properly so as to compete with other games that are challenging WOW . The Cataclysm could turn into a disaster and have the oppersite effect .

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by PreCU

so the new wow expansion is going to make the game like wow?

 

lol

He mean that NGE tried to make SWG like WoW:.

I saw a comment about 40 man raids, so I will say this.  Unless you played EQ1, you have no concept of what raiding is like.  WoW's 40 mans weren't that hard just time consuming.  That is what Blizzard was doing in late vanilla-WoW days was making the game World of Raidcraft.  Massive time sinks to keep you playing.  The raids themselves weren't that hard.  Not like trying to raid the Manaetic Behemoth with 72 people with no vent, no mods, no addons, Nothing. 

Yes the Cataclysm changes are not as drastic as the NGE.  However, there are some similarities in that there are some drastic class and game mechanic changes.  So it could be a "mini-NGE" for WoW.

I have a funny feeling the next expansion will not be an NGE. It will be the Obama of all expansions.