Originally posted by csthao

Originally posted by Axiom3000

People pre-ordered for the game, not to play beta.

In that case, those people must be pretty dumb. Why would you spend 70$ solely to preorder a game that currently has approx. 0 features except pretty graphics and thus won't be released in the next 12-80 months?

Go back and read everyone else's posts, its been said so many times now. For the record, they're limiting what you can and cant do. They're taking one small step at a time, run some parts of the game, test, fix, test. This is beta, you've should have already expected it. Before you pre-ordered they've already told you what to expect.

That does not address his very valid point. If people did NOT pre-order to get into beta then why did they pre-order? Althruism? I think not. People pre-ordered to get into beta and now realised that they can't.

No big deal for me as beta testing is not that big of aa issue but it does make me lose a bit faith in a company that pulled that kind of trick on me.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by yukumo

 

1)  I'ts Closed beta and they are adding more and more into the game every week

Many which cannot even log in. Just check the support forum on their official site. Most people from beta block B hasn't been able to log in even once.

2)  Trolls - I am a beta tester and everything is going very smoothly (this isnt breaking Star vaults nda by me saying this)

Say what? People not being able to log in I would not say is going very smoothly.

3) You got to choose whether or not to choose it.. they even had a disclaimer that it had work to be done on it

That does not make it alright.

4) Where... does it say they are running out of money? The financial situation is ok over at SV

Common deductive reasoning. Why would they charge so much so far from release if they were not short on money? Just for shit and giggles?

5) Its not alpha.. its beta - And again it was your choice to pay that much.. it would only be a scam if they tricked you with the price or made you pay monthly fees

 Again, they being upfront about it does not make it okay.

By making a post like this you just make potential people who might want to play the game turn the other direction - and why? Because you don't have a clue what your talking about and just felt like making a post on here after seeing what the local trolls on the MO forums were posting - steer away from this kind of post in the future

Typical fanboy response. Nothing to see here.

 

-They havent been able to login because seb. only opens the server for a few minutes to prevent spam.. its their fault if they cant get in b/c i get in every night

-like i said i'ts their fault if they can't get in - and they just added a patch that leaves the login up much longer, also the in game experience is fantastic as there are no bugs that are popping out

-If you are putting your money down to help test a game then you should test it.. but what do ppl like you do? You sit and bitch that a beta game isnt like the release yet.

-I talk to sebastian once every few days and I have asked him about money issues.. They don't care they just want to see the game being bought and played. Oh and the only reason it cost so much is that they had to put a european tax on it.. you would know this if you actually checked the forums like you have told me to check

- They havent scammed you b/c the game has only been out there ready to play for 2 and a half weeks of beta... You still payed for the final release! Your response will be - "well i only bought it b/c i wanted to play beta!" - Ok so you want to make your judgements on a game that is only maybe 5% finished as far as features go? yeah.

- Fanboy post? I dont think so.. ive been banned off IRC and the forums for starting up trouble.. not once have a made a post "Keep up the great work devs your so awesome and cool" Because its not needed - the only reason i made that post and this one is because the pointless bashing of this game already is retarded.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

 

6) And a helpful, friendly player community, just like DF.

I'm sure the game will work out much the same, nothing to worry about.

 

Yeah, seriously. That community is going to shit now. It used to be a pretty decent place to have discussions, but now it's quickly becoming a haven of imbeciles. There's still some good people there, but the good discussion is starting to change into little flame skirmishes. The sad part is there is virtually no moderation. I like free speech just as much as the next guy. but lacking a public release or previous games, Star Vault's online community is the sole representative of what they as a company stand for.

 

i think it's partly due to people slowly coming to terms with the fact that MO beta has been pretty majorly disappointing and it'll be lucky to even make it to release let alone compete with Darkfall.

 

it is certain that if the developers are running out of money with at least half a year to go to release with the game being so unfinished *now*, that things are definitely not looking good.

Where's the proof there running out of money?

Where are you getting this information?

Originally posted by yukumo

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by yukumo

 

 the only reason i made that post and this one is because the pointless bashing of this game already is retarded.

If you take the pointless bashing about a game out of the picture, what will the trolls talk about? Poor guys, you should show more piety.

As for the next troll to post here, I will let something for you:

 *hug the future troll*

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by Bigdavo

Most of these indy MMO's usually end up sucking balls so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

So did the latest big names aswell so what's your point?

True. Being Indie seems to make little difference. Just means the devs move out of their parents' basements after release, rather than to the Carribean.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by Bigdavo

Most of these indy MMO's usually end up sucking balls so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

So did the latest big names aswell so what's your point?

True. Being Indie seems to make little difference. Just means the devs move out of their parents' basements after release, rather than to the Carribean.

Well from the pictures of the SV headquarters, their parents have a pretty nice basement on a commercial street with above ground windows looking out over town.

Wish my basement looked like that, mine is below ground and rather dark and dismal.

Originally posted by javac

a number of things about this game have me concerned.

 

 

1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

3) 6 months+ from release

4) developer running out of money

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

 

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

3) 6+ Months from release? I guess Q4 has 6+ months in it.

just stop the trolling.

Originally posted by javac

a number of things about this game have me concerned.

 

 

1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

3) 6 months+ from release

4) developer running out of money

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

 

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

Your right.. its just like Darkfall....

Or is someone feeling threatened. ;)

Originally posted by javac

a number of things about this game have me concerned.

 Ohhhh is it spot the troll game? Tired of defending Darkfall now eh? :D

 1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

Hmm, that reminds me of another game I heard about. Darkfall was also just like this? A lot of speculation if the game even existed etc. :) But you would know all about that seeing how you like to defend Darkfall on it's forum.

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

At least this is beta tho, Darkfall missed what 70% of it's featyres at launch, yet it was feature complete according to Tasos. Then again Starvault have said the game won't be feature complete at launch. and that alone proves they are way more honest about their game then anyone can ever hope Tasos to become. :)

3) 6 months+ from release

And what MMO haven't been like that the last years?

4) developer running out of money

As pretty much every MMO developer the last years have been experiencing, atleast starvault are honest about it. :)

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

It's nothing wrong with charging too much of a product if the players are interested in paying for it. The worst thing that would have happened for Starvault would be that they didn't sell one copy of the game. But as long as people bought it that means the players accepted the price. it's quite simple really :)

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

If you want to know what scam and deception is you might want to look at the things Tasos and adventurine have said/done. ;)

Is this game a scam? Probably not.

Is it a major rip-off? Oh yeah.

True, the Mortal developers admitted they are low on cash and are going to release the game with little to no content, but does that really make things right? All they are doing is telling people youre going to be playing a crappy game. How does that justify anything? They are bascially being honest about ripping you off, yet there are people who defend them. Why? Because you want to believe this game will succeed? Well, be prepared to have those beliefs shattered when the game goes belly up. I dont say that to troll, I say it because its what has the highest probablility of happening.

I mean, come on, they have basically admitted they are inept at making MMOs. What good can possibly come of this game? A game is only as good as its developers. If you have inept developers youre going to have a poorly put together game. And, because of this games failure, its going to cast more of a shadow on open PvP sandbox MMOs and deter the talented development teams, you know, the ones who actually know what they are doing, from trying to make them and force them to stick with the mainstream EQ clones we have all come to loathe and despise.

To prevent further baiting/attacking. I am locking this one.