Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by june32nd

Originally posted by Chivante

1. EXTREME class imbalances in pvp (lolDKS, rogues, and [depending on arena season] druids/priests[although often both])

 

A. There are times when I can play a flawless match and still come up short due purely to arena comp

 

B. Decisions like giving mages a 20% MS debuff frustrate me... seriously... you think mages needed that???

 

 

i read it all, but this is what pissed me off the most...

your going to talk "EXTREME" class imbalances in pvp in WoW, despite WoW being a mainly PvE focused game since it's start.
If you balance for PvP you f*ck up PvE, that is a fact and blizzard will confirm this.

 

That's one of the reasons the OP is just expressing a personal opinion.

If every class is UP there in the top 100 of Arena's, it shows very well EVERY CLASS can become deadly gladiator title (best players of 200.000 people).

Extreme imbalance if ALL classes can be top in arena play???? what a laugh.

 

it shows a very biased personal view of someone playing who is NOT up there in that world top of PvP.

Rather pathetic view, if you comment on Usain Bolt and YOU yourself can't run the 100 meters in 15 seconds.

You may THINK you play "flawless", but think again... others play better.

We see it ALL the time with WOW: 5 GUILDS world wide downed the last boss in Ulduar on heroic without dying....

http://www.wowprogress.com/achievement/3005

And people -though they play simply lousy - still want to have a respected opinion.

No problem but the stats simply proves you wrong: every class can be top 100 in Arena's.. Period.

 

Most people in Warcraft would agree there are imbalances in pvp but each class has its uses in the battleground and you play to the strengths of that class .  For instance hunters are a good defencive class . Rogues and Druids are really useful in av if they know that they should stealth and go ahead and take towers ( unfortunatly given so many kids play and love to zerg this does nt happen ) . The imbalances do come out in 2 vs 2 arena play which is why i thought it was a good idea for bliz to shift emphasis on to 3 vs 3 and 5 vs 5 . As for one on one pvp some class imbalances are huge (nearly everone i know recognises this as fact ) . if a rogue gets a drop on you it most likly your going to be dead in no time at all . WoW is definatly a pve centric game with a side order of pvp . which is not to say its pvp is bad . I do miss the world pvp skirmishes that seam to be all but missing from most servers these days .

the thing is you will never get a truely balanced class system in any game there will all was be classes that need a good nerfing . Its just part of what you have to weather if you like to play mmos .

All I need is a in-game name and guild name to wrap up this review and I'm pacified......

Originally posted by Ramonski7

All I need is a in-game name and guild name to wrap up this review and I'm pacified......

THIS must be the most intelligent post in this complete useless thread (view) of 1 player out of the 11.6 millions possible.

Grtz.

And to Googaboy: I said "players" as China is up and WOW is free, so eat up the cup.

I'll give you all my name/guild etc. (guild is currently a bank guild, but the achievements will show some of my experiences)

Character Name: Bublawl
Guild Name: Mascarada Sangrienta    (used to be Caustic and Dibt Fakk if anyone wants to check guild achievements/rankings)
Realm: Bleeding Hollow

Go ahead and tear that apart as much as you like. That character has the majority of the things I've done in WotLK. Also, in before lolret... I've also played as prot for friend runs and holy for realm progression with Caustic.

Something people keep tossing into this thread is the thought that I think that I count for more opinion than other people in WoW... really I was just making a review, these are my opinions and MY ratings; if you don't like them, then whatever : / make your own review. Not to sound hostile, but let's quell this insurrection before the thread explodes.

A lot of people keep seeming to think that I'm holding some god-game that already exists as my standard of a 10, but really I don't think there is any aspect of any game released currently that I'd rate a 10. Also, for people who think my ratings are too high in some spots, I'm judging on the culmination of features in each area primarily.

Now I'm gonna go finish my club sandwich while someone disects this post : /... btw it's delicious

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Ramonski7

All I need is a in-game name and guild name to wrap up this review and I'm pacified......

 

THIS must be the most intelligent post in this complete useless thread (view) of 1 player out of the 11.6 millions possible.

Grtz.

And to Googaboy: I said "players" as China is up and WOW is free, so eat up the cup.

 

I guess by implication that means your posts wer nt intelligent Zorndorf .

And that last statement shows just how immature you are .  I guess your trying to bait  me but i just think its a bit sad and pathetic .

Also if you think the thread is useless why bother with it . You seam to spend more time in these forums that actually playing Warcraft . I mean if you enjoy it  why are you wasting so much time in here ? 

I don't bother.

I just smile and wonder why an Aion lover ....would create a new account and publish a terrrible WOW review...

And WHY that 19 year old played WOW for 4 years and paid ... 750 dollars subscription money and would give it a shitty 7.1 rating.

Those elements above show me more than anything in that "review".

 Someone taking all that trouble to vomit over a game is  sure in need for a sandwich.

:)

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I don't bother.

Obviously you do.

I just smile and wonder why an Aion lover ....would create a new account and publish a terrrible WOW review...

I created my account awhile back to get a beta key for a game I wanted to test, my creation date and the WoW review times are irrelevant.

And WHY that 19 year old played WOW for 4 years and paid ... 750 dollars subscription money and would give it a shitty 7.1 rating.

$750... 4 years... WHAT AN INVESTMENT!... WoW is an absurdly cheap timesink hobby. Because a 7.1 is such an terrible rating on a 10 scale... Even if you compare to the official rating on this site it is only a difference of .9; and that was when WotLK was new, before it started getting dull.

Those elements above show me more than anything in that "review".

That's all on you then, buddy.

Someone taking all that trouble to vomit over a game is  sure in need for a sandwich.

Let's not grace this one with a thought...

:)

: /

Originally posted by Chivante

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Even if you compare to the official rating on this site it is only a difference of .9; and that was when WotLK was new, before it started getting dull.

 

 

I cut out the part above of WHY your review - as a specific created account to start with Aion promotion - (even to yourself) is rather worthless...

See how "objective" your review was. You knew EXACTLY how you would end up with a rating lower than this site (which is ALREADY ridiculous low for a game this succesful). And you can't even distinguish your review in relation to what you experienced in the first place.

Meaning your "review" is purely based on time, which is silly as today a NEW young guy of 15 will start playing WOW...
 

See the obvious? You would NEVER pay 750 dollars subscription money for a "dull" game....

And you answered my observation just quite in line with what I thought....

lol my god the idiocy.

Okay 7.1...I guess that puts Aion Champons Online Fallen Earth SW:TOR and ever other MMO coming down the pike at around 4.0.

Yeah it's a dying game just like all humans as soon as we are born we are dying. I'll stick with Blizzard .

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I don't bother.

I just smile and wonder why an Aion lover ....would create a new account and publish a terrrible WOW review...

And WHY that 19 year old played WOW for 4 years and paid ... 750 dollars subscription money and would give it a shitty 7.1 rating.

Those elements above show me more than anything in that "review".

 Someone taking all that trouble to vomit over a game is  sure in need for a sandwich.

:)

Maybe he grew up a little since he was 15 . As to you describing people as AION LOVERS and WOW HATERS . Thats really and indication of your mentality . If it was nt so serious it would be rather funny .

Originally posted by Chivante

I'll give you all my name/guild etc. (guild is currently a bank guild, but the achievements will show some of my experiences)

Character Name: Bublawl
Guild Name: Mascarada Sangrienta    (used to be Caustic and Dibt Fakk if anyone wants to check guild achievements/rankings)
Realm: Bleeding Hollow

Go ahead and tear that apart as much as you like. That character has the majority of the things I've done in WotLK. Also, in before lolret... I've also played as prot for friend runs and holy for realm progression with Caustic.

Something people keep tossing into this thread is the thought that I think that I count for more opinion than other people in WoW... really I was just making a review, these are my opinions and MY ratings; if you don't like them, then whatever : / make your own review. Not to sound hostile, but let's quell this insurrection before the thread explodes.

A lot of people keep seeming to think that I'm holding some god-game that already exists as my standard of a 10, but really I don't think there is any aspect of any game released currently that I'd rate a 10. Also, for people who think my ratings are too high in some spots, I'm judging on the culmination of features in each area primarily.

Now I'm gonna go finish my club sandwich while someone disects this post : /... btw it's delicious

I could tear apart your armory pro but for the sake of moving this along I'll try to keep it brief. It would be like a shell game anyway because you named 3 different guilds that you claim to have been a part of and 3 different characters that you play or have played. Either way, the main character you claim to be the one you raid the most with, Bublaw, hasn't even finished Uldar (heroic), ToC or CoC (reg or heroic), but you claimed that you and a moderately geared group of friends did ToC from start to finish. Now like I said, I won't get into what character you used or what guild you did it with because frankly we could ping pong that topic all day long. I just want to show readers that either way you slice it you got your jollies in WoW for 4 years and you are now bored with it. No need for a grand exit.

But to list the things that you feel pestered you about WoW before your initial review and the misleading title to draw attention, shows how  you tried to cater to the haters first in hopes of keeping them from labeling you a fanboi, while you delivered your grandstand on why you're no longer choosing to play. Also I did like the way you tried to hide the folly showing in some of your high marks by trying to stick as close to the final point score listed here (by your own admission). You did touch on some of the same things I myself grew tired of before I left back in April. But in your quest to try to appear as a intelligent wow player to the haters, you appeared as just another troll to some of our more rambunctious past and current wow players...

Regardless, I didn't take your review seriously because you didn't take it seriously yourself. The minute you referred to things like lolret and lol-lore you lost me.

WoW is still at its peak.

A very popular game that isn't going to let up anytime soon.

I think its a fair review 71 percent is nt bad for a game that several years old now .I think theres people in these forums that would only be happy with 95 percent and above . I d personally put most other mmorpgs below Warcraft . Proberbly the closest for pve experiance is lord of the rings online which is on a par with warcraft . eve has totally different gameplay so its hard to compare the two but it surpasses warcraft in some ways . I would put age of conan at around 55 percent and warhammer at 45  . so yeah i think the OP has it right .

Well done Chivante. Very well done. 

Barring people being over-the-top and a few people putting words in my mouth to try and strengthen their own arguments, this has been a constructive set of responses. I thank those of you that responded in a well-constructed manner. I will probably be covering a Cataclysm notes review at some point later this week or next week (college classes starting back in), on the next review it will be more of an open discussion, and probably so a bit more in-depth; speculation will be welcome for areas lacking in information.  I'm gonna have to stop viewing on this thread due to classes, but feel free to discuss amongst yourselves about scores and how you would do it (or better yet, take a bit of time and scribble out your own review [genuine, not angry]... once I get a break it'll give me something to read).

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I don't bother.

I just smile and wonder why an Aion lover ....would create a new account and publish a terrrible WOW review...

And WHY that 19 year old played WOW for 4 years and paid ... 750 dollars subscription money and would give it a shitty 7.1 rating.

Those elements above show me more than anything in that "review".

 Someone taking all that trouble to vomit over a game is  sure in need for a sandwich.

:)

But you spend alot of time trashtalking other games, shouldn't you follow your own advice?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Chivante

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Even if you compare to the official rating on this site it is only a difference of .9; and that was when WotLK was new, before it started getting dull.

 

 

 

I cut out the part above of WHY your review - as a specific created account to start with Aion promotion - (even to yourself) is rather worthless...

In order to retain credibility here, you may want to include that information as soon as you open your mouth.

See how "objective" your review was. You knew EXACTLY how you would end up with a rating lower than this site (which is ALREADY ridiculous low for a game this succesful). And you can't even distinguish your review in relation to what you experienced in the first place.

Meaning your "review" is purely based on time, which is silly as today a NEW young guy of 15 will start playing WOW...

I don't want to read a review that a 15 year old wrote, primarily because it wouldn't be grammatically coherent.  He made a notable effort to give the game a fair review based on a few years of playing it, no one wants to thoroughly review a game right after they buy it unless they are working for a gaming magazine/website, and in reality you can't accurately rate a game until you have experienced all of its odds and ends.

Also, the subscriber count has nothing to do with the quality of the game.  Just because the most people play this does not mean it is the best of the genre. 
 

See the obvious? You would NEVER pay 750 dollars subscription money for a "dull" game....

Up front, no. But back to earlier, his opinion had been built over the course of four years.  If he thought the game was dull, he wouldn't have paid any more money for it obviously?

And you answered my observation just quite in line with what I thought....

 Ugh, that was a weight of a read.

Your ratings were "lofty" at best for someone just quitting.  While I think rating armories or looking at anything beyond rep (meaning achievements being irrelevant fluff) for determining someone's value of review is a tad tedious...It does make a little bit of sense in the end.  The big question is why write a huge review...should of waited for Aion to hit stores, be out for a while, and a little bit of the fervor to settle a bit...but nonetheless, even then the big review would be 'meh' at best.

I think the saddest thing, is that the summer is so dull & the posts are so enflamed...I almost re-activated my WoW account to toy around with my four-year investment...but I just can't stoop to it, waiting till the Fall line-up to return sanity to myself :)

And zorn, don't quit your day job man...always a delight to read your jumbled ramblings.

Graphics and Overall performance Rating: 9/10

... Jack-of-all-trades, master at some. The flexibility is what really sets WoW apart int his department.

 

I sorry, you've put alot of work in this review, but starting with a 9/10 on graphics was a bad choice. With games with such graphical quality as AoC or Lotro, 9/10 is too much for a graphics engine with 7+ years old.

It seems no one agrees with the 9/10 graphic score =P