Originally posted by Remii718

These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.

I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.

I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.

You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.

WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.

If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.

Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign.

It's pathetic what these guys do.

 

Dude there was lots of passion in that post and I admire it, just speaking amongst us I made a post earlyer in the thread that I felt v strongly about.....2 b honest with my own post I felt a little bit embaressed when I woke up this morning......not as bad as I felt waking up next to my old guitar teacher tough on my gran and granpa's aniversery morning......but thats another story.....ummmmmmm......I'll just be over here if anybody needs me.....ummmmmm

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Remii718

These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.

I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.

I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.

You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.

WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.

If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.

Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign.

It's pathetic what these guys do.

 

I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal  opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....

Enter the Wow bashers ...

They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.

To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".

Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.

You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.

It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.

No problem.

They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.

The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.

So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.

3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?

 

I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Remii718

These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.

I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.

I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.

You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.

WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.

If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.

Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign.

It's pathetic what these guys do.

 

I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal  opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....

Enter the Wow bashers ...

They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.

To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".

Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.

You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.

It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.

No problem.

They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.

The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.

So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.

3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?

 

 

I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .

its common knowledge that when the servers were down in china that they drop to around 5-6 mil since china takes up around half the subs numbers.

Overall, it was a good review, but you rated crafting too high. There are some good items to make, but a LOT of grinding on useless items. Perhaps the multi-point skill ups mentioned at Blizzcon will improve on this issue.

Now I'm going to amaze some people and say that - as much as I like Alchemy + Herbalism in this game, I like Apothecary + Cultivation in Warhammer better. seriously.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Remii718

These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.

I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.

I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.

You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.

WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.

If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.

Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign.

It's pathetic what these guys do.

 

I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal  opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....

Enter the Wow bashers ...

They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.

To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".

Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.

You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.

It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.

No problem.

They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.

The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.

So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.

3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?

 

 

I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .

its common knowledge that when the servers were down in china that they drop to around 5-6 mil since china takes up around half the subs numbers.

Thats why i brought up the situation in China . Once its resolved and Blizzard release the subscriber numbers ( hopefully later this year ) We will know if Warcraft is still at the 11.6 million mark . Its pointless for Blizzard to release world wide figures and present . Although they could release the numbers for Europe , Russia and North America . To some degree i can understand why they hav nt released them because its really not a good buisness stratergy to release declining figures .What i take issue with is people glibbly saying its still got  11.6 million subscribers when its inaccurate . It almost as if they need for this game to be hugly popular and never decline for it to justify thier choice of game . Even if Warcraft drops to 3 or 4 million it would still be a hugly successful game . It cant maintain the current numbers of subcribers forever thats a fact .

You get the feeling some people think it ll just keep growing untill all six billion people on the planet will be playing it .

Originally posted by Chivante

I've got a pounding headache after writing this review. I will post up a Cataclysm notes review later this week. It will probably be around 1/2 the length of this review, but I am unsure until I start scribbling away. If you enjoy this review, let me know, otherwise flame me like you were probably going to do anyways =P. I'll be back probably tomorrow to check replies.

I'll bet your wrists and fingers aren't happy either. Very nice review. Quite well thought out.  I look forward to your next one.

Originally posted by Chivante

1. EXTREME class imbalances in pvp (lolDKS, rogues, and [depending on arena season] druids/priests[although often both])

 

A. There are times when I can play a flawless match and still come up short due purely to arena comp

 

B. Decisions like giving mages a 20% MS debuff frustrate me... seriously... you think mages needed that???

 

i read it all, but this is what pissed me off the most...

your going to talk "EXTREME" class imbalances in pvp in WoW, despite WoW being a mainly PvE focused game since it's start.
If you balance for PvP you f*ck up PvE, that is a fact and blizzard will confirm this.

Originally posted by june32nd

i read it all, but this is what pissed me off the most...

your going to talk "EXTREME" class imbalances in pvp in WoW, despite WoW being a mainly PvE focused game since it's start.
If you balance for PvP you f*ck up PvE, that is a fact and blizzard will confirm this.

That's a reason for it being imbalanced, not a denial of the imbalance.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by june32nd

Originally posted by Chivante

1. EXTREME class imbalances in pvp (lolDKS, rogues, and [depending on arena season] druids/priests[although often both])

 

A. There are times when I can play a flawless match and still come up short due purely to arena comp

 

B. Decisions like giving mages a 20% MS debuff frustrate me... seriously... you think mages needed that???

 

 

i read it all, but this is what pissed me off the most...

your going to talk "EXTREME" class imbalances in pvp in WoW, despite WoW being a mainly PvE focused game since it's start.
If you balance for PvP you f*ck up PvE, that is a fact and blizzard will confirm this.

 

That's one of the reasons the OP is just expressing a personal opinion.

If every class is UP there in the top 100 of Arena's, it shows very well EVERY CLASS can become deadly gladiator title (best players of 200.000 people).

Extreme imbalance if ALL classes can be top in arena play???? what a laugh.

 

it shows a very biased personal view of someone playing who is NOT up there in that world top of PvP.

Rather pathetic view, if you comment on Usain Bolt and YOU yourself can't run the 100 meters in 15 seconds.

You may THINK you play "flawless", but think again... others play better.

We see it ALL the time with WOW: 5 GUILDS world wide downed the last boss in Ulduar on heroic without dying....

http://www.wowprogress.com/achievement/3005

And people -though they play simply lousy - still want to have a respected opinion.

No problem but the stats simply proves you wrong: every class can be top 100 in Arena's.. Period.

 

Most people in Warcraft would agree there are imbalances in pvp but each class has its uses in the battleground and you play to the strengths of that class .  For instance hunters are a good defencive class . Rogues and Druids are really useful in av if they know that they should stealth and go ahead and take towers ( unfortunatly given so many kids play and love to zerg this does nt happen ) . The imbalances do come out in 2 vs 2 arena play which is why i thought it was a good idea for bliz to shift emphasis on to 3 vs 3 and 5 vs 5 . As for one on one pvp some class imbalances are huge (nearly everone i know recognises this as fact ) . if a rogue gets a drop on you it most likly your going to be dead in no time at all . WoW is definatly a pve centric game with a side order of pvp . which is not to say its pvp is bad . I do miss the world pvp skirmishes that seam to be all but missing from most servers these days .

the thing is you will never get a truely balanced class system in any game there will all was be classes that need a good nerfing . Its just part of what you have to weather if you like to play mmos .

All I need is a in-game name and guild name to wrap up this review and I'm pacified......

I'll give you all my name/guild etc. (guild is currently a bank guild, but the achievements will show some of my experiences)

Character Name: Bublawl
Guild Name: Mascarada Sangrienta    (used to be Caustic and Dibt Fakk if anyone wants to check guild achievements/rankings)
Realm: Bleeding Hollow

Go ahead and tear that apart as much as you like. That character has the majority of the things I've done in WotLK. Also, in before lolret... I've also played as prot for friend runs and holy for realm progression with Caustic.

Something people keep tossing into this thread is the thought that I think that I count for more opinion than other people in WoW... really I was just making a review, these are my opinions and MY ratings; if you don't like them, then whatever : / make your own review. Not to sound hostile, but let's quell this insurrection before the thread explodes.

A lot of people keep seeming to think that I'm holding some god-game that already exists as my standard of a 10, but really I don't think there is any aspect of any game released currently that I'd rate a 10. Also, for people who think my ratings are too high in some spots, I'm judging on the culmination of features in each area primarily.

Now I'm gonna go finish my club sandwich while someone disects this post : /... btw it's delicious

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Ramonski7

All I need is a in-game name and guild name to wrap up this review and I'm pacified......

 

THIS must be the most intelligent post in this complete useless thread (view) of 1 player out of the 11.6 millions possible.

Grtz.

And to Googaboy: I said "players" as China is up and WOW is free, so eat up the cup.

 

I guess by implication that means your posts wer nt intelligent Zorndorf .

And that last statement shows just how immature you are .  I guess your trying to bait  me but i just think its a bit sad and pathetic .

Also if you think the thread is useless why bother with it . You seam to spend more time in these forums that actually playing Warcraft . I mean if you enjoy it  why are you wasting so much time in here ? 

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I don't bother.

Obviously you do.

I just smile and wonder why an Aion lover ....would create a new account and publish a terrrible WOW review...

I created my account awhile back to get a beta key for a game I wanted to test, my creation date and the WoW review times are irrelevant.

And WHY that 19 year old played WOW for 4 years and paid ... 750 dollars subscription money and would give it a shitty 7.1 rating.

$750... 4 years... WHAT AN INVESTMENT!... WoW is an absurdly cheap timesink hobby. Because a 7.1 is such an terrible rating on a 10 scale... Even if you compare to the official rating on this site it is only a difference of .9; and that was when WotLK was new, before it started getting dull.

Those elements above show me more than anything in that "review".

That's all on you then, buddy.

Someone taking all that trouble to vomit over a game is  sure in need for a sandwich.

Let's not grace this one with a thought...

:)

: /

lol my god the idiocy.

Okay 7.1...I guess that puts Aion Champons Online Fallen Earth SW:TOR and ever other MMO coming down the pike at around 4.0.

Yeah it's a dying game just like all humans as soon as we are born we are dying. I'll stick with Blizzard .

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I don't bother.

I just smile and wonder why an Aion lover ....would create a new account and publish a terrrible WOW review...

And WHY that 19 year old played WOW for 4 years and paid ... 750 dollars subscription money and would give it a shitty 7.1 rating.

Those elements above show me more than anything in that "review".

 Someone taking all that trouble to vomit over a game is  sure in need for a sandwich.

:)

Maybe he grew up a little since he was 15 . As to you describing people as AION LOVERS and WOW HATERS . Thats really and indication of your mentality . If it was nt so serious it would be rather funny .

Originally posted by Chivante

I'll give you all my name/guild etc. (guild is currently a bank guild, but the achievements will show some of my experiences)

Character Name: Bublawl
Guild Name: Mascarada Sangrienta    (used to be Caustic and Dibt Fakk if anyone wants to check guild achievements/rankings)
Realm: Bleeding Hollow

Go ahead and tear that apart as much as you like. That character has the majority of the things I've done in WotLK. Also, in before lolret... I've also played as prot for friend runs and holy for realm progression with Caustic.

Something people keep tossing into this thread is the thought that I think that I count for more opinion than other people in WoW... really I was just making a review, these are my opinions and MY ratings; if you don't like them, then whatever : / make your own review. Not to sound hostile, but let's quell this insurrection before the thread explodes.

A lot of people keep seeming to think that I'm holding some god-game that already exists as my standard of a 10, but really I don't think there is any aspect of any game released currently that I'd rate a 10. Also, for people who think my ratings are too high in some spots, I'm judging on the culmination of features in each area primarily.

Now I'm gonna go finish my club sandwich while someone disects this post : /... btw it's delicious

I could tear apart your armory pro but for the sake of moving this along I'll try to keep it brief. It would be like a shell game anyway because you named 3 different guilds that you claim to have been a part of and 3 different characters that you play or have played. Either way, the main character you claim to be the one you raid the most with, Bublaw, hasn't even finished Uldar (heroic), ToC or CoC (reg or heroic), but you claimed that you and a moderately geared group of friends did ToC from start to finish. Now like I said, I won't get into what character you used or what guild you did it with because frankly we could ping pong that topic all day long. I just want to show readers that either way you slice it you got your jollies in WoW for 4 years and you are now bored with it. No need for a grand exit.

But to list the things that you feel pestered you about WoW before your initial review and the misleading title to draw attention, shows how  you tried to cater to the haters first in hopes of keeping them from labeling you a fanboi, while you delivered your grandstand on why you're no longer choosing to play. Also I did like the way you tried to hide the folly showing in some of your high marks by trying to stick as close to the final point score listed here (by your own admission). You did touch on some of the same things I myself grew tired of before I left back in April. But in your quest to try to appear as a intelligent wow player to the haters, you appeared as just another troll to some of our more rambunctious past and current wow players...

Regardless, I didn't take your review seriously because you didn't take it seriously yourself. The minute you referred to things like lolret and lol-lore you lost me.

WoW is still at its peak.

A very popular game that isn't going to let up anytime soon.

I think its a fair review 71 percent is nt bad for a game that several years old now .I think theres people in these forums that would only be happy with 95 percent and above . I d personally put most other mmorpgs below Warcraft . Proberbly the closest for pve experiance is lord of the rings online which is on a par with warcraft . eve has totally different gameplay so its hard to compare the two but it surpasses warcraft in some ways . I would put age of conan at around 55 percent and warhammer at 45  . so yeah i think the OP has it right .

Well done Chivante. Very well done. 

Barring people being over-the-top and a few people putting words in my mouth to try and strengthen their own arguments, this has been a constructive set of responses. I thank those of you that responded in a well-constructed manner. I will probably be covering a Cataclysm notes review at some point later this week or next week (college classes starting back in), on the next review it will be more of an open discussion, and probably so a bit more in-depth; speculation will be welcome for areas lacking in information.  I'm gonna have to stop viewing on this thread due to classes, but feel free to discuss amongst yourselves about scores and how you would do it (or better yet, take a bit of time and scribble out your own review [genuine, not angry]... once I get a break it'll give me something to read).