I've seen quite a few people display their dislike for World of Warcraft because of how it lacks "hardcore" content.

Well my questions are, "What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?" and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

Originally posted by Lansid

 I've seen quite a few people display their dislike for World of Warcraft because of how it lacks "hardcore" content.

Well my questions are, "What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?" and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

Fire fighters are hardcore, policemen are hardcore, A soldier fighting for his/her country is hardcore. No such thing as a "hardcore gamer" Once someone designs a MMO that has a death penalty that makes someone drive to your home and put a gun in your face for dying then we can call those guys hardcore.

As for "Hardcore" games? ehh no such thing either.

Certain games may take more research to play well and hold a bit more risk when dying but every mmo is the same.

Easy.

I'm moderately "hardcore" within the context of playing a video game (take note, poster above)

I reject the "need" for the game to be made easy; I accept that any failures in my game play are down to me to analyze, interpret and solve. I want maximum freedom of gameplay, despite the fact that this means that many players will use that freedom to do things that I or others will find annoying or pointless. All I ask is that there be plenty of room for me & my mates to do our thing, and that we try or fail on our own merits.

Don't protect me. Just give me enough information to start playing and get the hell out of my way.

 Well the point of my post was to see

A.) What "hardcore" game they were playing

and

B.) Why they considered their game "hardcore"

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by Lansid

 I've seen quite a few people display their dislike for World of Warcraft because of how it lacks "hardcore" content.

Well my questions are, "What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?" and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

 

Fire fighters are hardcore, policemen are hardcore, A soldier fighting for his/her country is hardcore. No such thing as a "hardcore gamer" Once someone designs a MMO that has a death penalty that makes someone drive to your home and put a gun in your face for dying then we can call those guys hardcore.

As for "Hardcore" games? ehh no such thing either.

Certain games may take more research to play well and hold a bit more risk when dying but every mmo is the same.

Easy.

Hmm so you compare real life with games lol.

You know your on agame site right and can't compare fir/policeman/soldier with gamers and why we call them casual or hardcore these are 2 complete different subjects.

Hardcore for me is without macroing visit sites and figure game out by exploring and trying how things work without looking for walkthroughs or DB sites of that game.

I play Darkfall with no macro/exploit and i never visit sites to find out how something works or where can find it i do it all by myself.

I also solo in Darkfall play for 6months now and im rather far in my crafting and skill development without need to macro/exploit/clan.

Maybe thats hardcore, but offcorse others have other ideas of what hardcore is, playing WoW doing raids for years getting all gear they can get and play every day for hours and hours to get to there goal can also be hardcore.

Oh i think if you dont macro/exploit in Darkfall like me its rather hardcore almost no guidance no directions its all open plus you have dangerous enviroment of free for all pvp with full loot with no savezones or private instance its a truely open free world, thats i think rather hardcore also.

Originally posted by Evasia

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by Lansid

 I've seen quite a few people display their dislike for World of Warcraft because of how it lacks "hardcore" content.

Well my questions are, "What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?" and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

 

Fire fighters are hardcore, policemen are hardcore, A soldier fighting for his/her country is hardcore. No such thing as a "hardcore gamer" Once someone designs a MMO that has a death penalty that makes someone drive to your home and put a gun in your face for dying then we can call those guys hardcore.

As for "Hardcore" games? ehh no such thing either.

Certain games may take more research to play well and hold a bit more risk when dying but every mmo is the same.

Easy.

 

Hmm so you compare real life with games lol.

Nope,  just sticking it to these lame self proclaimed "hardcore gamers" that think they're superior to everyone because they log in 40+ hours a week and avoid the outside world.

I consider myself a hardcore gamer because I play alot of games but I suppose I really only think of hardcore games as being ones you have to put alot of effort into or take dedication. For example I consider EVE a hardcore MMO, as well as Civilzation or most shooters as being hardcore.

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by Evasia

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by Lansid

 I've seen quite a few people display their dislike for World of Warcraft because of how it lacks "hardcore" content.

Well my questions are, "What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?" and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

 

Fire fighters are hardcore, policemen are hardcore, A soldier fighting for his/her country is hardcore. No such thing as a "hardcore gamer" Once someone designs a MMO that has a death penalty that makes someone drive to your home and put a gun in your face for dying then we can call those guys hardcore.

As for "Hardcore" games? ehh no such thing either.

Certain games may take more research to play well and hold a bit more risk when dying but every mmo is the same.

Easy.

 

Hmm so you compare real life with games lol.

Nope,  just sticking it to these lame self proclaimed "hardcore gamers" that think they're superior to everyone because they log in 40+ hours a week and avoid the outside world.

Well with respect, Remii718, I understand what you're saying pertaining to your relevance. But with this particular post, I "am" asking about MMO's, and what they consider "hardcore" and what "hardcore" games they are playing, not looking for a flame war.

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by Evasia

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by Lansid

 I've seen quite a few people display their dislike for World of Warcraft because of how it lacks "hardcore" content.

Well my questions are, "What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?" and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

 

Fire fighters are hardcore, policemen are hardcore, A soldier fighting for his/her country is hardcore. No such thing as a "hardcore gamer" Once someone designs a MMO that has a death penalty that makes someone drive to your home and put a gun in your face for dying then we can call those guys hardcore.

As for "Hardcore" games? ehh no such thing either.

Certain games may take more research to play well and hold a bit more risk when dying but every mmo is the same.

Easy.

 

Hmm so you compare real life with games lol.

Nope,  just sticking it to these lame self proclaimed "hardcore gamers" that think they're superior to everyone because they log in 40+ hours a week and avoid the outside world.

First i think thats bull that all hardcore think there superior i know plenty who play alot figure it out all by themselfs manage to do well but not by a longshot think there superior matter a fact i play with some we do our thing and this case we kill rather good we never chat in general chat we never wisher to others and we dont epeen on forums.

And that some play games alot as hobby and dont come alot outside in real world thats there business its still a free world where i live why you hate that so much lol thats beyond me:)

Originally posted by Lansid

 Well the point of my post was to see

A.) What "hardcore" game they were playing

and

B.) Why they considered their game "hardcore"

The only MMORPG I play is EvE, because it comes the closest to fulfilling those requirements.

(Also: laz0rs!)

 Evasia...

"What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?"

and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

That's the point of my post.

I was Raiding Plane of Fear in EQ1 until the eartly hours of the morning , i think by this point i was on a 24 hours session easily and almost in a semi conscious, the guild wiped once again and i think i must have fallen alseep waiting for a monk to come drag my corpse , proberly was only for a minute but i woke in a startle at in game noise thinking the worse and i piss my pants little but i continued to raid for the next 2 hours without changing my pants.

True story, i think i still have the stain.

Thats how hardcore i am..

Originally posted by zazz

I was Raiding Plane of Fear in EQ1 until the eartly hours of the morning , i think by this point i was on a 24 hours session easily and almost in a semi conscious, the guild wiped once again and i think i must have fallen alseep waiting for a monk to come drag my corpse , proberly was only for a minute but i woke in a startle at in game noise thinking the worse and i piss my pants little but i continued to raid for the next 2 hours without changing my pants.

 

True story, i think i still have the stain.

 

Thats how hardcore i am..

 

 

That's not something i would have said in puplic i think anyone who has read this will agree when i say this you just made me throw up in my mouth a little bit you nasty freak lol but i will admit that is pretty hardcore.
 

Risk.  If a game lacks any risk, then you might as well be playing Bejeweled.

Eve Online has risk.
Even CoX has risk.
Anarchy Online has risk.
Shadowbane had risk.

If failure carries some risk, then the game might start to be considered hardcore depending on that risk.

In WoW, there is no risk involved with failure.  It is a casual time sink.

Games that have open PvP, looting system (Kill/Thief a player and take an item(s) from his/her position) and PvP rank system :D And of course the game itself has to be very good as well!

Originally posted by Justin83x

Originally posted by zazz

I was Raiding Plane of Fear in EQ1 until the eartly hours of the morning , i think by this point i was on a 24 hours session easily and almost in a semi conscious, the guild wiped once again and i think i must have fallen alseep waiting for a monk to come drag my corpse , proberly was only for a minute but i woke in a startle at in game noise thinking the worse and i piss my pants little but i continued to raid for the next 2 hours without changing my pants.

 

True story, i think i still have the stain.

 

Thats how hardcore i am..

 

 

That's not something i would have said in puplic i think anyone who has read this will agree when i say this you just made me throw up in my mouth a little bit you nasty freak lol but i will admit that is pretty hardcore.
 

Personally, though I don't play it anymore... was Shadowbane.

I leveled up a Confessor, ganked and was ganked, joined a guild, put my time and money into helping build a town and running it... then for some reason the Guild Master pissed someone off, and war was declared on our town. While me and a skeleton crew was busy defending the sieges and dying... the GM was hiding in the corner of an empty "allied" town. Sickened that he wasn't there dying with us while everything was destroyed, girl in the guild and I finally found him... unguilded ourselves in front of him, and killed him for his cowardice. Then proceeded to join the people that was destroying the town we helped build.

Good times.

Originally posted by Lansid

 Evasia...

"What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?"

and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

 

That's the point of my post.

And i told you and even explain it Darkfall as i pointed out in my reply:)

Originally posted by Remii718

Fire fighters are hardcore, policemen are hardcore, A soldier fighting for his/her country is hardcore. No such thing as a "hardcore gamer" Once someone designs a MMO that has a death penalty that makes someone drive to your home and put a gun in your face for dying then we can call those guys hardcore.

As for "Hardcore" games? ehh no such thing either.

Certain games may take more research to play well and hold a bit more risk when dying but every mmo is the same.

Easy.

Sure you don't get killed, but those that play 12/7 risk their lives in another way, you're likely to fuck up your health & yor career in the long run

Imo "Hardcore Games" are games which take a huge ammount of time to succeed, in that way wow is more hardcore than eve,

sure wow can be managed by the braindead but raiding takes still a shitload of time -afaik more than it takes in eve to play at the top.

Originally posted by Evasia

Originally posted by Lansid

 Evasia...

"What hardcore games do you play >>currently<< since WoW is below your expectations?"

and "Why do you consider your game Hardcore?"

 

That's the point of my post.

 

And i told you and even explain it Darkfall as i pointed out in my reply:)

I know and I appreciated the reply in your first post, I'm just trying to emphasise to everyone it's not a flame war or like you said about epeens.

Last MMO I played was WoW when I returned for a month for WotLK. I play casual now, because my RL requires me to do more at the age of 30, than it did when I started my MMO career at 18. My previous invovlements with "hardcore" games are very dated, Ultima Online (Pre Second Age) Dark Age of Camelot (I played Hibernia side pre shrouded isles, so yes that was hardcore mode) and Shadowbane.

I'm just curious about the people that play their "Hardcore" games, and why they think it's hardcore.

any game is hardcore if you can play it for 10 hours straight

"Hardcore" is a poorly defined word.  As such, threads that use the term quickly devolve into trolling and useless banter.

• WOW is a game you can sink 5000 hours into.  That could be described as hardcore.
• WOW is a game which currently lacks difficult endgame content.  That could be described as casual.
• WOW is a game with probably near 30 different game mechanics being used in a given fight.  That could be described as hardcore.
• Many of WOW's fights can be beat by spamming 1 button.  That could be described as casual.

And if we could manage (somehow) to get 70% of the people in this one thread to agree on a meaning of "hardcore"?  The next thread would bring us back to square 1 again.

Personally my gripes with WOW are that it didn't offer a small-scale progression curve, that it lacks difficult content, and raiding isn't fun.  However it's still a fantastic game.  Great enough that all the other MMOs I've tried/retried lately (except COX) are just outright worse games (and COX only fails out from lack of players online to team with; I think I like it more than WOW overall.)

I'd say i was a casual hardcore explorer.

In EQ i liked to find really difficult to solo-break camps at the bottom of dungeons or out in the wild and then try and figure how to break the camp. In the worst cases this could mean spending 4-5 evenings with my sucky ranger dying dozens of times (i'm hardcore stubborn). If i lost a level i'd go to whatever fast-levelling spot i was using to get the XP back plus one bubble and then go back to trying to break the camp. When i figured it out i'd go find a harder one.

I think my sucky ranger lost more exp than it would have taken to get to max level 3-4 times over.

You can't really do the stuff i like in the newer games because dungeons are full of elites rather than groups of normal mobs with patrollers etc and most of the zones are full of solo mobs all in the exact same level range rather than EQ-type zones full of different camps and solo mobs ranging from level 1-50 (slight exaggeration) so you ccan't just wander round randomly looking for odd camps tucked away in little corners that are your level range.

I don't play any now as I burnt out on EQ, SWG replaced it but was changed, Vanguard would probably have replaced SWG if i'd ever managed to get it to run on my PC. Fallen Earth looks like it might suit but can't run it.

I'll get my 4-yearly new PC next summer and then try Vanguard again i guess.

Originally posted by Axehilt

"Hardcore" is a poorly defined word.  As such, threads that use the term quickly devolve into trolling and useless banter.

• WOW is a game you can sink 5000 hours into.  That could be described as hardcore.
• WOW is a game which currently lacks difficult endgame content.  That could be described as casual.
• WOW is a game with probably near 30 different game mechanics being used in a given fight.  That could be described as hardcore.
• Many of WOW's fights can be beat by spamming 1 button.  That could be described as casual.

And if we could manage (somehow) to get 70% of the people in this one thread to agree on a meaning of "hardcore"?  The next thread would bring us back to square 1 again.

Personally my gripes with WOW are that it didn't offer a small-scale progression curve, that it lacks difficult content, and raiding isn't fun.  However it's still a fantastic game.  Great enough that all the other MMOs I've tried/retried lately (except COX) are just outright worse games (and COX only fails out from lack of players online to team with; I think I like it more than WOW overall.)

QFT

I agree with you, I just recently un-subbed from WoW (will probably come back eventually, it gets boring you know) but I put plenty of hours into it to consider the experience "hardcore". In terms of skill and figuring out what the hell you want to do, EVE is hardcore in the fact that it will confuse the shit out of you.

Personally though, as far as time-based hardcore goes, I would consider GW my "hardcore" game of choice.

I'm sure this will set somebody off, but in my mind there is nothing "hardcore" about anything in gaming. Hardcore in my mind involves something physically demanding and with risk involved. The only risk in gaming is wasting hours upon hours of your life.

When people brag how they and their guild are hardcore because they can clear endgame content within a small period of time of it being released, or how their guild is hardcore because they raid every night for hours on end, I can only imagine what their life outside of the gaming world must be like.

Wanna know who I think the most "hardcore" people are? People who get the most out of everything in life. When they play a game, they play it to get as much fun out of it as possible. When they go out, they go after the cute brunette sitting at the bar. At work, they push themselves to be the best at their job and get promotions/raises. That my friends, is hardcore. And that is what I try to push myself to do and never settle. Because in the end, I dont want to sit there with my grandkids and have to make up stories about their grandfather because I spent my whole life raiding online instances in games they never heard of.

Dont get me wrong, there is nothing 'wrong' about gaming a lot. But its the people who need to proclaim themselves as "hardcore" because they are socially inadequate in real life that cause the problem. When someone brags about how much tougher/hardcore they are in gaming, I can only laugh.