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No. At this point it is near impossible for Bioware to take the MMO lead with SWTOR due to the fact they are not getting the market coverage like NCSoft is with Aion or Blizzard with WoW. They might make a good run maybe as good as FF7 but I dont see it getting any better than that. |
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I highly doubt that they can take the lead. There are way too many people still in love with WoW, or people that believe WoW is the end all be all to MMOs. By the way I miss the MOG podcast. I'm not sure if you guys still do it, but I unsubscribed since I haven't seen one in months. You guys should get back into it! You guys used to stray off topic a lot and talk a lot of shit, but that's what I loved about the show haha. |
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considering from what they have shown its gonna be a single player game with online capabilities i can't see them garner over 1 mil subs |
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The game that knocks WoW off top spot is going to have to be DIFFERENT to WoW, I haven't seen enough from BioWare to convince me that is the case with SWTOR. My money is still on Bliz, WoW is going to be knocked off the top spot by it's successor. ...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought. |
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Doubtful due to the very linear nature. If LOTRO couldnt do it or even come close then neither will SW. It will be its own worst enemy everyone will be a sith lord or jedi and to this point it will not hold the hardcore crowd . Many will play no doubt but anything more than 500k after the first 3 months will amaze me. |
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Originally posted by efefia Almost certainly. There are ways Blizzard can make it happen, even if it wouldn't otherwise. They can simply let WoW degrade while polishing and expanding the new MMO. They could - let established WoW players transfer to the new game with some in-game bonuses. That would destroy anyone hoping to match the new game.
If the new game is in a similar style (S & S) which I doubt, then it is likely they will sacrifice WoW to boost it. If the new game is quite different in theme - Supers, or Horror, for example, then it's quite possible for the two to co-exist for a while. |
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This topic is too soon for discussion.. WoW is fail period anyone mindless enough to get stucked into that hunk of junk should take a step outside take a deep breath and realize the hours of life they just wasted... 11million ppl (this is all time) lets do some math here. since i'm not sure what the max pop limit on wows servers are I'm gonna guess. Lets say theres 10,000 on each server 243 servers i think wow has. Thats 2,430,000 Lets say its 15,000 thats 3,645,000 regardless, there are people still playing that are sucked in to dope pve grinding for gear and terrabad pvp thats just going to be replaced by another level cap, more gear and more hours you could of been out at a party, club, family, that you wasted and can never get back. Just wait the next expansion will do the same you grind it then in 3-4 months you get to do it again... However, this is with all MMOS but none have done it more successful than WoW.. So my tip to you WoW palyers, Eat a Cookie, play some WoW because really..... What does life have better to offer you?
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Originally posted by Vandarix It's always funny to see someone's incomplete math.
10, 000 or 15,000 per server ONLINE AT ONE TIME. Not the number of accounts which are current. IF you figure only 1/3 of accounts are online at any one time - then what totals do you get? Hmm? |
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The numbers that Bliz release are not "all time", they are current subscription numbers. 12 million was the last press release if memory serves me right. No need to go counting servers and taking wild guesses, it's right there... 12 million concurrent subscriptions.
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http://eu.blizzard.com/en/press/081223.html 11.5 million "The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. "
PS, the most successful Star Wars game to date sold approx HALF the amount of boxes that WoW has in current subscribers, that includes all platforms as well, so the 3 major consoles and all handheld devices.
SWTOR would need to shift a minimum of 15 million units (to allow for attrition/burnout) to surpass WoW's subs numbers. Still think that's a realistic proposition? ...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought. |
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Originally posted by MMO_Doubter This was hypothetical suggesting that there were 10,000 players on each server (doesn't matter if they're online or not) subscription is a subscription. now if you want to factor in that most those servers are low or medium population while maybe 20-30 of them are high popped.. then the numbers will be different yes which this is the case... So if you want to take 2,430,000 from that and factor in the high/low/medium pops on the servers then you're probably looking at 1.7mil (again hypothetical) I would be impossible for me to determine the actual population of WoW because I don't have access to blizzard data bases genius. that math wasn't incomplete for the problem it was solving.. As for the actual population it is however. Tacking on to this. in order for wow to have 11.5 million current subscription that would mean there almost 50,000 people per server with 243 servers. No 1 server in wow could handle 50,000 people without crashing constantly. that would mean there would constantly be 1,500 players if not more surrounding you at one time granted all 50,000 were online... lets cut that in half even 25,000 is unrealistic. WoW has had a Total of 11.5 million subscriptions.. Those are not ALL active. Common sense should tell anyone that.
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Originally posted by Vandarix
So you're saying they are lying? Or didn't you bother reading the press release? I'll save you the effort of reading it if you like, it's says....11.5 Million, current, paying subscribers ...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought. |
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Originally posted by Vandarix The most polite way I can respond to that is to say that you are mistaken.
BTW, those 243 servers - is that worldwide or just outside of China? |
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Originally posted by efefia
So you're saying they are lying? Or didn't you bother reading the press release? I'll save you the effort of reading it if you like, it's says....11.5 Million, current, paying subscribers yes, they're lying. Business is all about lying. just sink this into your head 50,000 people even on the worlds lowest requirement game playing on one server would lag to all hell. now factor in time zones and diff hours of game play.. The majority of WoW players sit infront of the screen for 8+ hrs a day some even MORE. there would be 25,000 if not more on at one time all hours of the day... I can't think of any supercomputer that could handle all that information.. |
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Originally posted by MMO_Doubter
pretty sure thats worldwide i noticed Euro servers, etc. they would need 500+ servers to hold 11.5million |
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Originally posted by MMO_Doubter The most polite way I can respond to that is to say that you are mistaken.
BTW, those 243 servers - is that worldwide or just outside of China?
It's misinformation, there are currently 491 Servers covering EU/US regions, as the subscription base is split roughly 50/50 between Asia &EU/US it's reasonable to assume there's as many in Asia, so not far shy of 1000 servers globally. ...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought. |
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This is sad but honestly this will depand on a few factors.
1) Is the combat easy to use. Basically do i have to think while fighting. If the answer is yes there is deep combat than no SWtOR has no chance in beatting wow. Why? Because most mmo players are bad, and rather dumb and useless human beings. These people don't like effort, or challenge, or thinking for that matter. 2) Is character development of abilities and statistics deep? If it is then once agian wow will remain on top, for the same very reasons. 3) How much hype is there? REally look at Aion it offers so very little even compared to games releasing at the same time such as CO, however, CO is dwarfed by Aion and the fact is a lot of people who liked CO will play Aion because; its the cool thing to do. Sounds sad but its true even thinking and well playing mmoers will simply choose aion becuasew tons of asians are playing it and well theres a ton of hype. My friends are gonna play , wonderful but why just play any game becuase your firends are, why not look around have a few play for a few weeks then decided. Aions gonna sell a ton of games but then agian so did warhammer, aoc, etc, etc. So if SWtOR can hype the shit out of the game then yes they could do well, personally, it looks way to basic to me atm but hey its still got some development to go so I personally do not know. (At least it has a story with it and will be fun to play for a while at least). Now the downfall of this game is simply that its graphics are not pretty by any stretch, so your goona lose alot of people that way (don't argue its just the way it is), if this allows somepeople with weaker computers play then that may extend their base but not as much for the simple reason that people with computers that can't play min. aion (whatever game that loosk much better) specs also do not have alot of disposable money to buy and play SWtOR. Still i feel this game have some very interestign things to offer and i personaly cannot wait to play it, and ill judge from there. "Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine |
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talismen351
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Joined: 11/01/07
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Originally posted by Ragnaven
I agree. Let the WoW community stay right where it is. So the rest of us can enjoy the game. If this one turns into the new WoW I imagine it will turn many of us who are waiting for a new MMO fix off of this title.
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Originally posted by efefia
It's misinformation, there are currently 491 Servers covering EU/US regions, as the subscription base is split roughly 50/50 between Asia &EU/US it's reasonable to assume there's as many in Asia, so not far shy of 1000 servers globally. Well if thats true, then its very well possible. I don't play wow nor keep up with it i just googled wow server list and counted the ones that showed up. So its possible the site I looked at didn't list them all. Then the information is irrelevant. China got shutdown. so take away those subscriptions With 1000 servers you're looking at 11,500 possible players on each server.. Factor in timezones etc, its still kinda pushing it however possible. |
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China is back up, relaunched with a new host. The 11.5 mil is quite correct. ...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought. |
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Well, then its true... 11.5million people are victims.. oh well the worlds over populated as it is let them sit indoors.. that just means theres more jobs to go around. one of my good friends fell victim to WoW was 3 weeks shy of his degree and dropped out of school.. Now he sits at home plays wow doesnt work.. Call him on the weekends when were going out clubbing etc, and he chooses WoW. |
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Originally posted by Vandarix You are insane. |
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Originally posted by MMO_Doubter You are insane.
you don't think so? I'd say its pretty close if not accurate. |
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
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I think ToR will be a different style of game. Whether or not thats what customers really want remains to be seen. No way to predict the game's long term success or failure, but it will sell a boatload of copies at release I'm sure. "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon EVE Cult member since May 2007 Regarding EVE: "To be honest, I think God himself created this game." - Shek Regarding new players in EVE: "Think of yourself as a child released into a park full of pedophiles..." - Eleazaros |
Originally posted by Vandarix
Thank god, if not wow then maybe herion or something count your firend lucky. 3 weeks short of his degree really? This tall tale is a bit too tall. "Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine |
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Originally posted by Jetrpg
Thank god, if not wow then maybe herion or something count your firend lucky. 3 weeks short of his degree really? This tall tale is a bit too tall.
No joke he was taking his final 4 classes and was failing them all from attendance so he dropped out.. He said he was gonna go back never did this was 6months ago. |
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