I play'd WoW for about a year and enjoyed it, and i've played warcraft 1, 2, 3 loved em all.... But honestly from this new trailer while some of it looks fun, they added so much it seems that they are almost grasping at straws, Now I'm not saying that WoW is failing or somthing is going to top it..... But it does apear that Blizz is pulling out everything at this point. I mean they've completely abandoned any lore they once had....but serously.

Anyways.. I dunno just seems to be getting out of hand.

Blizz is just redoing their original quest areas to have better graphics and new quests. This is to entice old users to roll alts to see the changes and give a better intro to new folks. This is not a huge change.

Now, in regards to Night elf mages and Dwarf shammies, I think that is BS lorewise. Troll druids on the other handis fine since I have fought them in every single expansion (ZG, ZA, Gun) so nothing new there.

Originally posted by catlana

Blizz is just redoing their original quest areas to have better graphics and new quests. This is to entice old users to roll alts to see the changes and give a better intro to new folks. This is not a huge change.

Now, in regards to Night elf mages and Dwarf shammies, I think that is BS lorewise. Troll druids on the other handis fine since I have fought them in every single expansion (ZG, ZA, Gun) so nothing new there.

Don't forget the Tauren priests...

Originally posted by Dewm1

 

 

I play'd WoW for about a year and enjoyed it, and i've played warcraft 1, 2, 3 loved em all.... But honestly from this new trailer while some of it looks fun, they added so much it seems that they are almost grasping at straws, Now I'm not saying that WoW is failing or somthing is going to top it..... But it does apear that Blizz is pulling out everything at this point. I mean they've completely abandoned any lore they once had....but serously.

 

Anyways.. I dunno just seems to be getting out of hand.

I think you're right and why would they care. They got millions subscribed, suckers that'll most likely buy (or have to buy) the expansion for various reasons (for myself, its because of my girlfriend, family and two fun guilds). All their really cool ideas they can charge us on their next MMORPG that they said they are developing. Big corp ftl /sigh

Originally posted by catlana

Blizz is just redoing their original quest areas to have better graphics and new quests. This is to entice old users to roll alts to see the changes and give a better intro to new folks. This is not a huge change.

Now, in regards to Night elf mages and Dwarf shammies, I think that is BS lorewise. Troll druids on the other handis fine since I have fought them in every single expansion (ZG, ZA, Gun) so nothing new there.

It was the nelfs use of sorcery that led to the destruction of Azshara, and the wildhammer clan of dwarves are shamanistic .. I consider nelf mage and dwarf shaman to be entirely reasonable lore-wise but I agree with you about troll druids.

If there are any combinations that scored high on my wtf-o-meter, it's the "holy cow" infusion. Tauren paladin/priests. It would have made so much more sense to have forsaken paladins; holy warriors who have retained their faith despite being blighted.

Undead hunter is a bit odd too, I can understand that (since humans can be hunters too) the forsaken could have retained this skillset; but I can't shake the feeling that they'll spend half their time chasing their pets around trying to reclaim their femurs. Unless we're talking undead pets too, 'cos that would be awesome (but doubtful).

They want to milk WoW forever it seems. Which makes me wonder if their new mmo will not be on a large scale like WoW.

Or....they could be throwing it all out to keep the current WoW Players hooked until they release their new MMO, it's just an idea.

Originally posted by Dewm1

 

 

I play'd WoW for about a year and enjoyed it, and i've played warcraft 1, 2, 3 loved em all.... But honestly from this new trailer while some of it looks fun, they added so much it seems that they are almost grasping at straws, Now I'm not saying that WoW is failing or somthing is going to top it..... But it does apear that Blizz is pulling out everything at this point. I mean they've completely abandoned any lore they once had....but serously.

 

Anyways.. I dunno just seems to be getting out of hand.

It's about time they failed at something

Originally posted by Czzarre

It's about time they failed at something

It will be a fail to some, but most will love it...
I'm doing the "ah... wtf?!?!!" thing on some of the class combos and the Worgen lore... but otherwise, I like the changes.
Rolling at alt may be fun again.

How can they destroy a lore they themselves created? Tauren paladins are explained that they worship a sun god that bestowed on them abilities of the light similar to that of paladins. Also in past Warcraft lore, there have been characters that have been outside the norm of class restrictions:

• Sylvanas Windrunner
• Nathanos Blightcaller
• Sorcerer-thane Thaurissan
• Zul'jin

And that's the advantage of making your own lore. Because these characters exist means that any other combinations can surface at anytime. Nothing is written in stone of an ongoing story.....

Originally posted by Ramonski7

How can they destroy a lore they themselves created? Tauren paladins are explained that they worship a sun god that bestowed on them abilities of the light similar to that of paladins. Also in past Warcraft lore, there have been characters that have been outside the norm of class restrictions:

• Sylvanas Windrunner
• Nathanos Blightcaller
• Sorcerer-thane Thaurissan
• Zul'jin

And that's the advantage of making your own lore. Because these characters exist means that any other combinations can surface at anytime. Nothing is written in stone of an ongoing story.....

Yes, but it doesn't mean other people can't critique it, point out flaws within it and see it for what it is. If that's the case, they can hand you shit on a platter and tell you its not shit and people are expected to blindly take their word for it? There's a difference between trying to provide a real story and making an excuse to force something to make sense. This looks more the latter despite whoever wrote their lore. Why was this sun god a secret all these years etc., did the sun god finally get that promotion he needed to bestow paladin-like powers within his divine community? With your example of NPC's outside class restriction, then there should be No class restriction within the game for any race by that argument. The players should be just as important to the story as the NPC's if not more important, but in regards to WoW its the NPC's that are apparently above the players (even the "heroes" are NPC's, and I was beginning to think I was the hero in the game, oh you tricked me Blizzard...good one!).

Will we be able to play undead paladins and tauren rogues?

Originally posted by Ramonski7

How can they destroy a lore they themselves created? Tauren paladins are explained that they worship a sun god that bestowed on them abilities of the light similar to that of paladins. Also in past Warcraft lore, there have been characters that have been outside the norm of class restrictions:

• Sylvanas Windrunner
• Nathanos Blightcaller
• Sorcerer-thane Thaurissan
• Zul'jin

And that's the advantage of making your own lore. Because these characters exist means that any other combinations can surface at anytime. Nothing is written in stone of an ongoing story.....

But if that was true, how could people look down on Blizzard because Blizzard doesen't know it's lore as good as players playing the game!?

Tbh I think any Race can learn to do anything cause theres nothing that makes one race special over the other like if you can be a Mage then why not a Warlock and a Priest? It's all magic. Besides Blizzard makes the lore it ain't real or set in stone so stop moaning. I think it's great cause I'm fedup not being able to play my fave Race with a class and being stuck with say a shitty Tauren or Nigh Elf for Druid. Just let them all be Druid it isn't the race but the person that makes someone who they are. I don't think all black people have guns and all white people have small dicks.

Originally posted by Jairoe03

Yes, but it doesn't mean other people can't critique it, point out flaws within it and see it for what it is. If that's the case, they can hand you shit on a platter and tell you its not shit and people are expected to blindly take their word for it? There's a difference between trying to provide a real story and making an excuse to force something to make sense. This looks more the latter despite whoever wrote their lore. Why was this sun god a secret all these years etc., did the sun god finally get that promotion he needed to bestow paladin-like powers within his divine community? With your example of NPC's outside class restriction, then there should be No class restriction within the game for any race by that argument. The players should be just as important to the story as the NPC's if not more important, but in regards to WoW its the NPC's that are apparently above the players (even the "heroes" are NPC's, and I was beginning to think I was the hero in the game, oh you tricked me Blizzard...good one!).

If you are viewing the game as a story then you probably have a valid point.  However, to those for whom the game is primarily just a game then this seems like splitting hairs over trivia.  As long as the new 'lore' results in interesting gameplay then it serves it's purpose.  We simply do not believe in sacrificing good gameplay for the sake of made up lore.

Originally posted by Ramonski7

How can they destroy a lore they themselves created? Tauren paladins are explained that they worship a sun god that bestowed on them abilities of the light similar to that of paladins. Also in past Warcraft lore, there have been characters that have been outside the norm of class restrictions:

• Sylvanas Windrunner
• Nathanos Blightcaller
• Sorcerer-thane Thaurissan
• Zul'jin

And that's the advantage of making your own lore. Because these characters exist means that any other combinations can surface at anytime. Nothing is written in stone of an ongoing story.....

Consistence in a storyline is part of what makes a storyline great, and while I agree with Blizzard's frequent decisions to sacrifice lore consistency for gameplay gains (because fun is what matters most,) it's not without drawbacks.

I don't have an issue with the new class combos really, but previous decisions they've made have been a little shady.  As amusing as the storylines of Warcraft are, the narrative of the game is not what I'd consider particularly consistent.  And that lack of consistency does detract from the game a bit (just, well..not as much as having bad gameplay would detract. ;) )

Originally posted by Torik

If you are viewing the game as a story then you probably have a valid point.  However, to those for whom the game is primarily just a game then this seems like splitting hairs over trivia.  As long as the new 'lore' results in interesting gameplay then it serves it's purpose.  We simply do not believe in sacrificing good gameplay for the sake of made up lore.

But specifically with new class/race combo, honestly what's so good about that in terms of gameplay? A Tauren Paladin still plays like a Blood Elf Paladin with a different set of racials and we all know how far racials go (except I still think Warstomp is single handedly the best racial in game, but this doesn't drastically change much with Paladin). Again, it appears more of a vain attempt to keep players interest, almost like a last resort. There is no other reason why they are allowing this other than further justifying that they should create another expansion that they can charge people for. In my opinion, it should be free especially if its going to drastically change gameplay itself. This game is going to end up having more expansions than the Sims and the difference is, people HAVE to keep paying for these extras to keep up to date on the game and the developers know they can get away with this. At least with the Sims, it was more of an addition to the game, not an update that people were required to pay.

This game/company is starting to lack in terms of quality and freshness. I'm just waiting for the glory days of Blizzard to be over with their MMO and for its game to be brought back down to a more humble state (if thats even possible). It seems like developers are just throwing whatever they feel like into the game at this point because many will still keep paying.

As in any shared world system, whether in a game or in print, you have several contributors to the official lore of Azeroth.  This adds a lot of diversity to what can be considered canon. Personally, I want a persistant world to evolve rather than remain static. It only stands to reason that as the various races interact, new skills and abilities will become passed on. Lore will evolve, sometimes in ways that could not be predicted.

I applaud Blizzard for taking the steps they are with Cataclysm and am looking forward to exploring the new Azeroth through the eyes of an Undead Hunter.