Originally posted by Stellus

Who buys lifetimes subscriptions to a game that isn't even out yet, is run by two of the most notorious con artists in the industry, may not even survive long enough to make the lifetime subs worth it (see: Hellgate London), and KNOWS they will be spending even more of their money on microtransactions?

For those of you on the fence about buying the lifetime sub, let me help you out:

Wait... Wait until the game is out and the offer is over because I guarantee you that after a few months and the studio is hurting for more money, they will make that offer available again once more. THEN, you being the smart, savvy shopper can better decide whether or not to buy it because the game has already been out for some time and if it is still standing, you won't be out $300 or however much it costs.

Ya well I was in the Hellgate London beta and could see right then why it was going to fail!  CO I have been betaing and really enjoy it...have a good feeling it will be around for a long while....look at CoH and CoV.     Actually look at them now because they will be gone soon.  ;-)

I am really sad that they brought this offer out again as i can see i say tough to those who were too tight or couldnt afford to part with $200 when it came out first.

Now i beta tested this game and it is great and i would love to be able to get a life time sub but at least i could aford to get two accounts and i hope i will be able to find $30 a month to pay for them.

The fact that cryptic has gone to the bother to open this offer again at leasts shows that they listen to all the winning you guys have done.

And if you think for one min that they care about you guys saying that you will pull your sub over not getting a life time sub then you really need to grow up.

So i love the game so much that i will pay $200 but now that its gone i wont pay $15 a month. Who do you guys think you are kidding and i am sorry that cryptic reopened the offer to pamper for such babys .

That all said i think cryptic is doing a great job.

I could have cared less that they pulled it.  I said as soon as they did it was a marketing ploy to generate hype and then re-offer it.  I'm only surprised they didn't raise the price...

Originally posted by keenlight

I am really sad that they brought this offer out again as i can see i say tough to those who were too tight or couldnt afford to part with $200 when it came out first.

Now i beta tested this game and it is great and i would love to be able to get a life time sub but at least i could aford to get two accounts and i hope i will be able to find $30 a month to pay for them.

The fact that cryptic has gone to the bother to open this offer again at leasts shows that they listen to all the winning you guys have done.

And if you think for one min that they care about you guys saying that you will pull your sub over not getting a life time sub then you really need to grow up.

So i love the game so much that i will pay $200 but now that its gone i wont pay $15 a month. Who do you guys think you are kidding and i am sorry that cryptic reopened the offer to pamper for such babys .

That all said i think cryptic is doing a great job.

Yes they doing a great job in pulling you all a great leg. lol.

Anyone that bought this Sold Out crap and that they now brought it back out of care for their customers are trully naive and deserve to be scammed by this PR stunt!

I swear, people will find anything to bitch about these days. I know many of us have been jaded by different companies in the past, but this really does seem like a good game (if the beta was any indication). Throughout the beta I noticed they were listening to player suggestions for changes, and tried their best to make good changes. Could this be a marking ploy? I don't think so, but even if it is, they are a company, and the goal of any company is to make money. It's not like offering the lifetime subs again is hurting anyone...the people who buy it now because they were enticed by not being able to have it are failures if they blame anyone but themselves for an impulsive purchase.

Originally posted by Bureyku

I could have cared less that they pulled it.  I said as soon as they did it was a marketing ploy to generate hype and then re-offer it.  I'm only surprised they didn't raise the price...

Maybe.
If true... that is genius on their part... but I don't think they did that.

No where on the main site did it say it was limited, other than Sept 1 it ended.
It was in the forum post, but the wording didn't really make it clear.

I don't think they had a choice but to offer it again... just because it wasn't clear to begin with.

Doesn't matter either way.
 

Originally posted by n00bit

I swear, people will find anything to bitch about these days. I know many of us have been jaded by different companies in the past, but this really does seem like a good game (if the beta was any indication). Throughout the beta I noticed they were listening to player suggestions for changes, and tried their best to make good changes. Could this be a marking ploy? I don't think so, but even if it is, they are a company, and the goal of any company is to make money. It's not like offering the lifetime subs again is hurting anyone...the people who buy it now because they were enticed by not being able to have it are failures if they blame anyone but themselves for an impulsive purchase.

It's not about the game.

It's about the suits of this company coming up with shady PR tactics.

And as suits pretty much call the shots in a company and this game happen to be with a Item Mall aka Cash Shop.

You start to wonder what they will do next and how it's going to affect future development on this game. What will get added for free (probably nothing) and what ends up in the cash shop (pretty much everything). And on top you happily keep paying your monthly fee as well. (for the ones that just buy the box).

Thanks but no thanks.

Every lifetime Sub that Cryptic sells for this game this month limits the addons/ upgrades that will occur past 13 months from now. A lifetime sub pays for 13 months worth of game play at regular price. Cryptic has a large staff, and the CFO has to sign alot of paycheques. If too many lifetime subs get sold, they are going to have to start budgeting.

Little miss what's her dingy that raised the big stink the other day on the CO forums was quite ridiculous. Cryptic would have been better off to simply refund her money, delete her posts and move on.

This company and it's developers have received alot of flack from the fans on the forums for any number of sily things. I wish all the whiners would of have stayed on CoX. That was one of the main things that spurred me on toward a move to CO from CoX... the prospect of a new less negetive community. One poster here says "You're damned if you do, you're damed if you don't." With the hero following crowd I would tend to agree.

I think Cryptic has done a fine job on CO so far and demonstrates exemplary restraint  toward negetive customer feedback and commend them for their acheivement in Champions, it really does stand out as a "unique" MMO.

Originally posted by Babylon9000

Every lifetime Sub that Cryptic sells for this game this month limits the addons/ upgrades that will occur past 13 months from now. A lifetime sub pays for 13 months worth of game play at regular price. Cryptic has a large staff, and the CFO has to sign alot of paycheques. If too many lifetime subs get sold, they are going to have to start budgeting.

Little miss what's her dingy that raised the big stink the other day on the CO forums was quite ridiculous. Cryptic would have been better off to simply refund her money, delete her posts and move on.

This company and it's developers have received alot of flack from the fans on the forums for any number of sily things. I wish all the whiners would of have stayed on CoX. That was one of the main things that spurred me on toward a move to CO from CoX... the prospect of a new less negetive community. One poster here says "You're damned if you do, you're damed if you don't." With the hero following crowd I would tend to agree.

I think Cryptic has done a fine job on CO so far and demonstrates exemplary restraint  toward negetive customer feedback and commend them for their acheivement in Champions, it really does stand out as a "unique" MMO.

Why you think they have a Cash Shop?

You can bet that every new addition to this game will end up there. Nothing will be added for free. That much you can count on.

The only thing this LifeTime sub has given you is that you don't have to pay the 15 bucks a month. But in return it forces you to stick around for at least 13 months to play even.

And seeing the retention rates of players sticking around in MMO's that have been released these last years. Then selling as much Lifetime Subs as possible will bring them more money than any other MMO that has been released as off late.

Simply because the majority drops the game within 1 to 3 months.

You can bet on that a lot of people buy a LifeTime sub on impulse without thinking clearly and then end up leaving the game in lets say  3 to 6 months. Or maybe even earlier. Stomping themselves against the head out of stupdity.

That means 7 to 9 months of free subfee money straight into Cryptics pockets. Money they wouldn't have had, when those players would have just bought the box only.

I bet like 5 more people take advantage of the offer. Seriously, most of the folks that COULD have gotten a lifetime or 6 moth sub HAVE gotten one already. Bottom line is this is just people screaming foul to make themselves feel better before moving on the next big thing pretty much.

Either that or pretty much ALL the interested parties will get the subs and then we can look forwards to billions of microtransaction based expansions to the game to even out the costs.

ALSO

Why does everyone forget that ATARI is running the subs and publication for this game? Cryptic don't really own the servers or so I was led to believe. Is this not the case?

I think this is a smart idea on Cryptics part as those of us who felt cheated by the early shutdown of the Sub specials were going to cancel anyway. They probably were getting complaints from their suppliers asking why their pre-orders were getting canceled and in turn were backing out of the orders. 

The only reason Cryptic would change their mind was due to loss of sales and the BAD publicity associated with it. 

Since getting a life sub I now feel MORE commited to the game and will buy the expansions as they become available. May even make more purchases with cryptic bucks, then if I had to pay monthly.

The old saying is true in this case that a 1/2 a loaf is better then none. Cryptic was smart enough to go for the 1/2 loaf.

P.S.> Many wanted the 6-month, after which they may continue if the game remains good. This way Attari/Cryptic got some money now instead of no money AND may get more latter.

P.S.S> I tend to play an MMO for at least a year, many of those that wanted a life sub have played CoH/CoV for a number of years. Having the life sub allowed them to talk their group members to also go with CO

Originally posted by TatsuOyama

I bet like 5 more people take advantage of the offer. Seriously, most of the folks that COULD have gotten a lifetime or 6 moth sub HAVE gotten one already. Bottom line is this is just people screaming foul to make themselves feel better before moving on the next big thing pretty much.

Either that or pretty much ALL the interested parties will get the subs and then we can look forwards to billions of microtransaction based expansions to the game to even out the costs.

 

ALSO

 

Why does everyone forget that ATARI is running the subs and publication for this game? Cryptic don't really own the servers or so I was led to believe. Is this not the case?

If that is the case, which site traffic indicates better, then the company get a little more money and ALOT LESS BAD PRESS.

Originally posted by FreddyNoNose 

When faced with the damned if you do/damned if you don't scenario, you always choose damned if you don't.  That way you are not damned.

I think someone needs a little English lesson...

After what I seen in OB I don't really feel comfrotable enough to go with a life time subscription. Even with the proposed XP tweaks the early head start is tomorrow and I think more than 90% of the player base at that time will be max level (40) before the game even hits launch on the first. Which okay as long as they have some really strong end game content which seems to be a topic that's dodged by developers and even the closed beta testers alike. After reading a Roper interview and even trying out what they have offered for end game content a little when they allowed everyone to hit 40 during the End Beta Event I still feel skeptical about the whole thing. What is known about end game content is your character joins a group called Unity and go to their base in the city and pick up daily quests in one of the consoles there after all missions have been done they give you a special mission which unlocks the unique group needed instance.

End Game content is normally the deciding factor that makes or breaks an MMO and the fact that no one involved with what it's all about can't post a single damn thing about it makes me think there really isn't any. If there is really weak end game combined with the rate of which you level this game isn't going to hold the interest of a majority of players for more than a week. Which is why I think it may be a gamble to throw down $200 on a game which looks like it may not make it past 6 Months or longer based on what's being offered.

Also, this game is no where ready to launch there is some serious bugs and I'm not just talking about Mission Bugs or Black Squares on the world map I'm talking about a great deal of players with high end cards and rigs including myself can't get over 20 FPS on any setting including low. The post by players naming their systems and the same issue over and over again with FPS issues that that went about 60ish comments long on their official forums was either locked or deleted (I'm thinking deleted because I can't find it anymore.) Why should I pay $200 on a game that I can't play fluently on a system that has 2 GTX260s with 4 Gigs of ram and a quad core processor... when every other game I've played such as Aion I can play fine on Max Settings with no frame rate issues at all.

Originally posted by Sorrow

Really gotta worry about the precedent being set here, cuss, scream, threaten boycotts, lawsuits, throw thing and generally act like a 2 year old and lo,and behold you get your way.

 

I was really looking forward to the game and have 3 lifetimes bought over a week ago,  but now I have to question if I want to be part of this game. Now everytime the kiddies want anything they will just scream rant and rave until they get their way.

 

The only positive I see in this whole mess is that school just started back.

Why is it in the mmo community things are al;ways so doom and gloom?  Why does this have to mean anyhting more than what it is a reoffering of a sub package doesn't mean the games dying or that the devs are at the mercy of "the kiddies".

Well, I was on here complaining before so let me just post my sincere thanks to Cryptic, which Iève also done on their site.  Itès great to see them respond to their customers and undoa a perceived wrong.

I signed up for a lifetimem sub even though I was originally just going to go for the 6-month option.  Last night I was seriously just going to play the one month I had paid for and then drop it so really, more revenue for them and hopefully a couple of years of play for me. 

Originally posted by xtravert

Well, I was on here complaining before so let me just post my sincere thanks to Cryptic, which Iève also done on their site.  Itès great to see them respond to their customers and undoa a perceived wrong.

I signed up for a lifetimem sub even though I was originally just going to go for the 6-month option.  Last night I was seriously just going to play the one month I had paid for and then drop it so really, more revenue for them and hopefully a couple of years of play for me. 

Good luck, and I hope you have years of killer entertainment.

I bypassed the lifetime sub as I actually want Cryptic to make money after 14 months lol.

I admit I haven't read all, or even most of the posts in this thread, but I have read some. I'm sure others have already said this, but to all those calling the angry people crybabies or whiners, know that most of us weren't upset that the subs ran out as much as we were upset that we did not know that they could run out before the expiration date.

I post my sincere thanks to Cryptic and Atari for honoring the implications of their advertisements and extending the sub availability until the original cut-off date.

Originally posted by Unshra

Originally posted by nekollx

Originally posted by Papadam

Hehe maybe Atari needs to grab some more money now when they are being sued for $30 millions...

Why would anyone invest $200 in a shady company like this who just keep on screwing their players aswel as other companies?

my thoughts enzunctly

 

The sad thing is they are still a slightly better choice then Cryptic's former owner NCSoft, wonder who will be the next owner SOE? :-p

ore News Corp ;0

Yeah right, a lifetime subscription to company that is owned by Atari, has both subscription revenue and item shop revenue built in.  

Sorry I have to laugh at anyone attempting to buy this offer.   A year from now this game will be an also ran.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Yeah right, a lifetime subscription to company that is owned by Atari, has both subscription revenue and item shop revenue built in.  

Sorry I have to laugh at anyone attempting to buy this offer.   A year from now this game will be an also ran.

right, they showed dtheir hand and it's a ugly gnareled wart covered one...

And i'mm supose to trust them.

Wow... it's a shame that the MMO comunity is reduced to trolls and doomcriers.

Atari did the right thing.  They opened up the special offers again, which is what they should have done.  No where did they mention limited quantities, other than apparently one small post in the forums.  I was waiting to make a decision until I got to play with the live version during the head start.  For me the choice was between the 6 month and the Lifetime.

Now I'll likely not go the lifetime as my pattern for CoH was play six months, off six months, play six, etc.  Granted a lifetime would be good for that model, but I was still waiting to see.  I do think the game will be along for some time.  Ignore the trolls who are bitter about item shops, Cryptic will release regular content updates for free like any MMO.  If they don't, they will loose far more customers than they gain in revenue.  

Will some things be exclusive, sure.  That's how they are going about it.  CoH does the exact same thing.  They just don't call it MT. 

Mind you I was pretty ticked that they pulled the offers.  Even if I wasn't going to get the lifetime, I thought it was deceptive to say the least.  However, they did the right thing, and anyone who actually works for a living has been in a company that's done stupid things.  The important part is that they rectifed their mistake.  That's a comforting thought.

Trolls, please go back to haunting the Darkfall forums and would the conspiracy theorists go try to find who shot JFK or something.  Corporations are not run by evil geniuses out to get your hard earned dollar.  They're typically run by baboons who are out to get your hard earned money.  Mistakes will happen, all the time.  It's how a company responds to those mistakes that shows you a good indication on who they are.

Originally posted by Sorrow

Really gotta worry about the precedent being set here, cuss, scream, threaten boycotts, lawsuits, throw thing and generally act like a 2 year old and lo,and behold you get your way.

 

I was really looking forward to the game and have 3 lifetimes bought over a week ago,  but now I have to question if I want to be part of this game. Now everytime the kiddies want anything they will just scream rant and rave until they get their way.

 

The only positive I see in this whole mess is that school just started back.

yeah know kidding.

I'm just surprised to see an MMO company, any MMO company, do a turn around on anything.  After my experience in other MMOs the industry really always seems to just take a like it or leave it approach.  I choose to believe that it's a response to the community rather than a marketing ploy.  They could have easily come back in a few months and charges $299 for it and gotten a few mor months subsription time from people as well as more money for the lifetime membership.

I'm not nieve enough to believe it isn't all about money but I think that going back and honoring the limited time portion of the offer is going to buy them some good will plus hopefully, for those playing the game, added interest in the future by people who will be paying monthly. 

Time will tell as to how good an offer the lifetime subscription is.  If it gets me through to November or December of 2010 then I'm happy with that.  Longer than that is just gravy.  I do tend to pop in adn check out MMOs I stopped playing and being able to do so without subscribing may be a nice little bonus.