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Originally posted by kelarcanus Do you know what it like? Listen my mini story... After eat same food "macaroni" for 1 month, chef coming to ask you next month "Hey man, do you want to eat your macaroni with some ketchup or you want to eat totally different food Pizza or Kebab? My answer is; "Sorry i want to eat Kebab this time, got bored to eat macaroni even with ketchup" Old is old, I hope you get it ;)
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I'm all for anything that reduces or eliminates cookie cutter build requirements, making every build viable and powerful in it's own right. If they can manage to give meaningful end game content for every play style, I could very much see myself coming back to this game. Raider bias is the primary reason why I quit MMOs once I get bored with early to mid game. I'm assuming these changes are being implemented due in part to mechanisms that they came up with in their secretive and upcoming second MMO. Which means I will likely want to try it too when it releases. |
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YAAAAWWWWNNNNN! Its not gonna be no WOW 2.0 its the same game, ugly outdate graphics, boring grind, new ideas taken from other games ( guild lvl), recycled just new color enemies and bosses, and recycled new races. They could have made whole new character models like they did with the Dran & BE. Not even a new class come on. The reason they are making this expansion is because new mmos are coming out. They did this when WAR came out and now Aion is coming out and I bet anything they will try to release this expansion around the same time SWTOR comes out. Speaking of SWTOR i just saw the gameplay video on ign.com. Now that mmo looks like its bringing new things too the mmo world not just a copy of another mmo. I know I will be quiting WOW when SWTOR comes out even if this ( in my opinion so far but can be to early to tell) lame expansion comes out around the same time. |
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Originally posted by Vrazule
I'm all for making other talent trees viable. But eventually the player base will find the most viable spec for each class and the cookie cutters begin once again. Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Originally posted by greed0104 Mp5 I get. But attack power and spell power? Was it to hard for people? I know they was not useless or redundant. Why? I play a rogue, main spec mut so I tend to stack a lot of agility. Buddy of mine is combat he tends to stack a lot of AttP. What blizzard is doing is what they have been doing since the release of TBC, killing any form of uniqueness in this game. And Defense is now only anti-crit through talents, no more rating? None of this was clunky at all. Hitting 540 was an accomplishment, removing these further dumb's down the game. If you wanna remove "rebudant" stats then do it this way. Merge Spirit and Int, why not, both caster stats. Agi and Str, both melee stats, and leave stamina alone. Dumbed down enough? I wouldn't be surprised if this was to happen. In the end every class will basically operate the same, that was pretty much said in a video interview when asked why a new class was not in this coming expansion. I'm guessing you are one those people that had trouble balancing stats. ARMOR PEN IS HARD TO DEAL WITH. It's cool sooner then later this game will be right where most of the terribads want it. Rolling your face on a keyboard for success.
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It isn't wise to make assumptions. I am not even going to justify the insults in your post with answers. I find streamlining stats a good thing. I don't think what they are doing are "dumbing" down the game. It really wasn't hard to figure out before just clunky. The problem was in the original it was one way then after the two expansions they kept adding more new stats making the system clunky. I like what Blizzard is doing enough to come back when the expansion goes live. I appreciate them cleaning up cluttered expansion issues that other mmo companies just ignore and stack more "new" features on top of as time goes on. |
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Originally posted by qombi
It isn't wise to make assumptions. Follow your own advice. The problem was in the original it was one way then after the two expansions they kept adding more new stats making the system clunky. Clunky = Confusing, gotcha I like what Blizzard is doing enough to come back when the expansion goes live. Are you assuming it's going to be good? I appreciate them cleaning up cluttered expansion issues that other mmo companies just ignore and stack more "new" features on top of as time goes on. I agree clearing cluttered issues is a great thing. As I said MP5 Is completely understandable. But agility and attack power, intellect and spell power, were two completely different things. There was no clutter. Hell half the gear that came with agility had attack power, same for Int and spell power. Defense rating was a great thing to have, it helped tanks hitting 80 in more then one way. Trying to gain that 540 requirement they should have gotten tons of experience in dungeon running, helping them all the more understanding fights. The only time there would ever be clutter was if you was trying to stack more then the required stats for your class/spec. And that would be your problem now wouldn't it? Just admit they are making it easier. There was no clutter, you would have to have been a idiot to feel any form of clutter with stats.
Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Originally posted by kelarcanus
You havent been around for the previous two "expansions"? WoW doesnt have expansions in the traditional mmorpg sense. They are re-images of the game. What Blizzard do with expansions is what the makers did with Batman Begins. They take an existing franchise and adapt it to the market of the day. Cataclysm is only the 3rd expansion but it will not resemble the WoW I started playing in early 2005. Blizzard are doing successfully what Lucas Arts and SoE did so terribly with NGE for SWG. Since WotLK Blizzard have been subtetly telling old gamers like myself to GTFO of WoW. Most of the people I started playing have either quit, or play very sporadically. But we didnt all quit at once in disgust. We were "phased out" for the younger, newer model gamers. (i'll refrain from making Ritalin and Halo jokes this time only) Good business decisisons by Blizzard even if I dont like them. |
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I think it sounds like an extensive revamp and its a big gamble on Blizzards part . They did need to breath new life into this game but to me it sounds like this could easily go wrong . |
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Originally posted by greed0104
It isn't wise to make assumptions. Follow your own advice. The problem was in the original it was one way then after the two expansions they kept adding more new stats making the system clunky. Clunky = Confusing, gotcha I like what Blizzard is doing enough to come back when the expansion goes live. Are you assuming it's going to be good? I appreciate them cleaning up cluttered expansion issues that other mmo companies just ignore and stack more "new" features on top of as time goes on. I agree clearing cluttered issues is a great thing. As I said MP5 Is completely understandable. But agility and attack power, intellect and spell power, were two completely different things. There was no clutter. Hell half the gear that came with agility had attack power, same for Int and spell power. Defense rating was a great thing to have, it helped tanks hitting 80 in more then one way. Trying to gain that 540 requirement they should have gotten tons of experience in dungeon running, helping them all the more understanding fights. The only time there would ever be clutter was if you was trying to stack more then the required stats for your class/spec. And that would be your problem now wouldn't it? Just admit they are making it easier. There was no clutter, you would have to have been a idiot to feel any form of clutter with stats.
Through having a conversation with you. You just insult to try to make your point which doesn't work. You also make up false claims about others. Point to where I assumed anything about you and though I appreciate your effort to try to guess why I feel the way I do about the changes, I can assure you it isn't needed. I prefer to have a dialog with someone who is respectful. |
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Originally posted by qombi
Me:You're surrounded by darkspawn corpses, what happened here? |
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Every time they make a class or a spec "viable" they spend the next 1-3 months screwing it up. |
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Originally posted by chunky_slice
You havent been around for the previous two "expansions"? WoW doesnt have expansions in the traditional mmorpg sense. They are re-images of the game. What Blizzard do with expansions is what the makers did with Batman Begins. They take an existing franchise and adapt it to the market of the day. Cataclysm is only the 3rd expansion but it will not resemble the WoW I started playing in early 2005. Blizzard are doing successfully what Lucas Arts and SoE did so terribly with NGE for SWG. Since WotLK Blizzard have been subtetly telling old gamers like myself to GTFO of WoW. Most of the people I started playing have either quit, or play very sporadically. But we didnt all quit at once in disgust. We were "phased out" for the younger, newer model gamers. (i'll refrain from making Ritalin and Halo jokes this time only) Good business decisisons by Blizzard even if I dont like them.
The changes that Blizzard makes allows newer players to catch up. Thus, Blizzard can easily handle new subscriptions catching up to older players and being viable. The gear rotation each expansion helps that as well. In a way, this model helps the game stay fresh. |
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