I have yet to play Aion in any of the betas, but from what i have read it seems like melee classes such as the gladiator, assassin, and templar will be at a disadvantage in flying combat.  Wings seemed to be designed for ranged classes like the ranger, sorcerer, cleric, spiritmaster, and chanter.  My question is this:  is it as dificult as it seems it would be to fight aerial battles as a melee class?  Or r wings truly more beneficial to the ranged classes?  I ask b/c the answer will probably help me decide b/w gladiator and sorcerer

The videos I`ve been watching (1vs1) Sin been pwning left and right, every class, ground or air.

You can check them out at YouTube they are among first videos I think.

There is one where Sin fights a ranger, most of it air fight, longish but sin wins in the end.

So I dunno, I`ll have to play the game to really get a feel about things.

As far as I know when flying you have less defense, flying is limited and all have skills to make enemies unable to fly for some time like pulling them to the ground.

The answer is No. There are all types of skills and alterations your character can have. There's ways to knock people out of the air, bind them mid flight, slow, stun, and pull them to you. Don't forget also that flight is it's own stat system, there is a multitude of ways to enhance your flight time and speed.

Originally posted by Nomik

I have yet to play Aion in any of the betas, but from what i have read it seems like melee classes such as the gladiator, assassin, and templar will be at a disadvantage in flying combat.  Wings seemed to be designed for ranged classes like the ranger, sorcerer, cleric, spiritmaster, and chanter.  My question is this:  is it as dificult as it seems it would be to fight aerial battles as a melee class?  Or r wings truly more beneficial to the ranged classes?  I ask b/c the answer will probably help me decide b/w gladiator and sorcerer

Range classes do have an advantage in flight combat, even at higher lvls. It's a big advantage in the mid-ranges but tends to lessen at later lvls when other classes learn new skills and how to avoid getting kited.

This also gives Rangers & Sorcerers a choice on what type of build they want to make (flight build or ground build). Pro Sky Pilots can stay in flight mode for 5-10 min's at a time before they have to land,  The down side is a lot of your stats get lowered while in flight mode (phy def is one).

Most gamers today are hard wired for solo play and these people are easy pickings for the "sky-pilots".  The smart one's figure out that grouping is not a bad thing (even a duo).  And they also learn to retreat ( line of sight: You can't shoot threw trees, rocks, walls).

As a Gladiator or Templar life is hard until you get the tools to deal with it, but even then it is still a challenge.

How many MMos have you played?

When has life not been hard for us melee when it came to range combat? That is just how it goes, we can own face, its just not as clear cut as it is for the the sorcs and rangers.

Originally posted by Benjola

The videos I`ve been watching (1vs1) Sin been pwning left and right, every class, ground or air.

You can check them out at YouTube they are among first videos I think.

There is one where Sin fights a ranger, most of it air fight, longish but sin wins in the end.

So I dunno, I`ll have to play the game to really get a feel about things.

i think i know the video you speak of, with the sin vs ranger, while i have to agree that sins steamroll everyone else, especially before patch 1.5... i still have to push through that the video with sin vs ranger cannot be used to measure ranged vs melee, since the ranger in that video have no clue whatsoever how to PvP..

Okay when that is said i want to tell you this...

You need to think bigger than 1v1, all classes have weak sides, and there will always be a class that can mob the floor with you, but by thinking in group setups, and choose your mates wisely, you can own people who outnumber your group by 3x.. and that is not exaggerated. << (or however that is spelled)

Pick the class you find the most fun, this is without a doubt the most balanced game on release ever, and every class has its purpose.. you will not play half the way through Aion and find that your class is useless in end game.

My first choice was Sorc, got tired of it at 20, not my style, then tried gladiator, but since i dont like playing the most played class, i tried ranger, they are tough to lvl, expensive too, and on top of that, they are the most squishy class in end game...

Im always up for a challenge, and i like how the its played, its my style, and i enjoy that class very much, which is what i made my choice out from.

Originally posted by Beazt

Originally posted by Benjola

The videos I`ve been watching (1vs1) Sin been pwning left and right, every class, ground or air.

You can check them out at YouTube they are among first videos I think.

There is one where Sin fights a ranger, most of it air fight, longish but sin wins in the end.

So I dunno, I`ll have to play the game to really get a feel about things.

 

i think i know the video you speak of, with the sin vs ranger, while i have to agree that sins steamroll everyone else, especially before patch 1.5... i still have to push through that the video with sin vs ranger cannot be used to measure ranged vs melee, since the ranger in that video have no clue whatsoever how to PvP..

 

Okay when that is said i want to tell you this...

 

You need to think bigger than 1v1, all classes have weak sides, and there will always be a class that can mob the floor with you, but by thinking in group setups, and choose your mates wisely, you can own people who outnumber your group by 3x.. and that is not exaggerated. << (or however that is spelled)

 

Pick the class you find the most fun, this is without a doubt the most balanced game on release ever, and every class has its purpose.. you will not play half the way through Aion and find that your class is useless in end game.

 

My first choice was Sorc, got tired of it at 20, not my style, then tried gladiator, but since i dont like playing the most played class, i tried ranger, they are tough to lvl, expensive too, and on top of that, they are the most squishy class in end game...

 

Im always up for a challenge, and i like how the its played, its my style, and i enjoy that class very much, which is what i made my choice out from.

You will own groups 3x the size of yours - yes, if they are complete noobs and 10 levels lower.  Please don't make false statements with insane exaggeration.

Originally posted by Nomik

I have yet to play Aion in any of the betas, but

Done reading.

Originally posted by Benjola

The videos I`ve been watching (1vs1) Sin been pwning left and right, every class, ground or air.

You can check them out at YouTube they are among first videos I think.

There is one where Sin fights a ranger, most of it air fight, longish but sin wins in the end.

So I dunno, I`ll have to play the game to really get a feel about things.

If you have seen Sins owning every other class in aerial combat, you have been watching them fighting some pretty bad players.  Sins are weak in the air, due to the fact that some of their most important abilities aren't useable.

Why do folk watch an edited video and assume what they see is absolute? 

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by Beazt

Originally posted by Benjola

The videos I`ve been watching (1vs1) Sin been pwning left and right, every class, ground or air.

You can check them out at YouTube they are among first videos I think.

There is one where Sin fights a ranger, most of it air fight, longish but sin wins in the end.

So I dunno, I`ll have to play the game to really get a feel about things.

 

i think i know the video you speak of, with the sin vs ranger, while i have to agree that sins steamroll everyone else, especially before patch 1.5... i still have to push through that the video with sin vs ranger cannot be used to measure ranged vs melee, since the ranger in that video have no clue whatsoever how to PvP..

 

Okay when that is said i want to tell you this...

 

You need to think bigger than 1v1, all classes have weak sides, and there will always be a class that can mob the floor with you, but by thinking in group setups, and choose your mates wisely, you can own people who outnumber your group by 3x.. and that is not exaggerated. << (or however that is spelled)

 

Pick the class you find the most fun, this is without a doubt the most balanced game on release ever, and every class has its purpose.. you will not play half the way through Aion and find that your class is useless in end game.

 

My first choice was Sorc, got tired of it at 20, not my style, then tried gladiator, but since i dont like playing the most played class, i tried ranger, they are tough to lvl, expensive too, and on top of that, they are the most squishy class in end game...

 

Im always up for a challenge, and i like how the its played, its my style, and i enjoy that class very much, which is what i made my choice out from.

 

You will own groups 3x the size of yours - yes, if they are complete noobs and 10 levels lower.  Please don't make false statements with insane exaggeration.

So you're saying, i am a lier??..

You should check out this thread:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/240629/Anyone-interested-in-RvR-Heres-a-Video-and-my-thoughts-about-AionKor-server.html

This guy is a chinese / korean pro pvp'er, who been geekin' this game more than most of the people on mmorpg combined, and knows exactly what he is doing, his videos proove that.

6 man group: 1x gladiator, 1x Ranger, 1x Chanter, 1x Spirit Master, and 2x Clerics.. owning huge alliances!

When i write own groups x3 the size of yours, it doesnt mean that every single one of your enimies die, but some of 'em might run cause they know you are superior, and you can be, if you know how to set up your group, and every member of this group know how to set up their character and use it in the best possible way > skill...

This guy and his group use the glad and ranger to burst aoe dmg fast to half their opponents' group / alliance, which make them scared, and who woudnt be scared if half your allinces is down to 50% health in a matter of 5-10 sec.

These guys definitly know what they are doing, and its not possible for everyone to do, true, but don't say im exaggerating, go watch his videos.

I don't think its that ranged classes have an "advantage" during flight, more like they gain more "benefit" from flying, than a melee class would, mainly because it just helps keep them at range and out of the fray, where as for a melee class it's just lowering their defense, which they need if they're mixed up in a big fight.

Range classes have always had an advantage over melee, why you ask? well because they get off the first shot and therefore gain an advantage. So it makes no difference in flight because you still have to make up the distance to get within range.

Yes, classes like sorc and ranger will have an advantage in an aerial battle.

There are counters to this for a melee though: extendible weapons, gap-closing abilities, anti-cc abilities, etc.

The idea is to avoid aerial battles as a melee if possible, and force your opponent into a ground battle.  If that isn't possible, it isn't impossible to win, but it will be a challenge.

Originally posted by Beazt

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by Beazt

Originally posted by Benjola

The videos I`ve been watching (1vs1) Sin been pwning left and right, every class, ground or air.

You can check them out at YouTube they are among first videos I think.

There is one where Sin fights a ranger, most of it air fight, longish but sin wins in the end.

So I dunno, I`ll have to play the game to really get a feel about things.

 

i think i know the video you speak of, with the sin vs ranger, while i have to agree that sins steamroll everyone else, especially before patch 1.5... i still have to push through that the video with sin vs ranger cannot be used to measure ranged vs melee, since the ranger in that video have no clue whatsoever how to PvP..

 

Okay when that is said i want to tell you this...

 

You need to think bigger than 1v1, all classes have weak sides, and there will always be a class that can mob the floor with you, but by thinking in group setups, and choose your mates wisely, you can own people who outnumber your group by 3x.. and that is not exaggerated. << (or however that is spelled)

 

Pick the class you find the most fun, this is without a doubt the most balanced game on release ever, and every class has its purpose.. you will not play half the way through Aion and find that your class is useless in end game.

 

My first choice was Sorc, got tired of it at 20, not my style, then tried gladiator, but since i dont like playing the most played class, i tried ranger, they are tough to lvl, expensive too, and on top of that, they are the most squishy class in end game...

 

Im always up for a challenge, and i like how the its played, its my style, and i enjoy that class very much, which is what i made my choice out from.

 

You will own groups 3x the size of yours - yes, if they are complete noobs and 10 levels lower.  Please don't make false statements with insane exaggeration.

 

 

So you're saying, i am a lier??..

 

You should check out this thread:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/240629/Anyone-interested-in-RvR-Heres-a-Video-and-my-thoughts-about-AionKor-server.html

 

This guy is a chinese / korean pro pvp'er, who been geekin' this game more than most of the people on mmorpg combined, and knows exactly what he is doing, his videos proove that.

6 man group: 1x gladiator, 1x Ranger, 1x Chanter, 1x Spirit Master, and 2x Clerics.. owning huge alliances!

 

When i write own groups x3 the size of yours, it doesnt mean that every single one of your enimies die, but some of 'em might run cause they know you are superior, and you can be, if you know how to set up your group, and every member of this group know how to set up their character and use it in the best possible way > skill...

 

This guy and his group use the glad and ranger to burst aoe dmg fast to half their opponents' group / alliance, which make them scared, and who woudnt be scared if half your allinces is down to 50% health in a matter of 5-10 sec.

 

These guys definitly know what they are doing, and its not possible for everyone to do, true, but don't say im exaggerating, go watch his videos.

 

LOL.

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That spot is the teleportation spot from the lower level Abyss (which is the level 25-30 zone). They were level 50's farming level 25-30 players. Why don't YOU go watch the video again?

In response to dessertfox, the only other mmos ive played r lineage 2 and WoW.  I absolutely loved L2 and played it quite extensively.  WoW however wasnt rly my kind of game so i syopped playin after a relatively short time.  So i am aware that melee classes always have this disadvantage, but i thought it would b more apparent in aerial combat.  It appears that my fears were at least partially correct.  Thanks for the advice everyone