In reading through most of what people call the WoWhaters, you start to get the feeling as it was pointed out - that people are hanging on in hopes that it gets better.  It is almost as if they are abused spouses staying in a relationship, hoping blindly that things will change.  You have some that may have distanced themselves a little, but they are still there waiting in hopes things will get better.  They may date around, but they are always looking back.  It kind of feels like infatuation and codependency.

Time would have been better spent updating the engine.  Wow's engine has served them well but it is getting long in the tooth.

Yeah, but if they were to update the engine it may require some players to purchase new PCs, whereas using the existing technology allows WoW to maintain one of its main selling points- availability to the masses,who can't afford to upgrade.

Originally posted by baldrick76

Originally posted by Zlayer77

I must say that even I who quit soon after TBC, got a bit interested when I saw the promo for the new expansion cataclysm. I think Blizzard will draw many old players back to see how they changed the game world.

Also it's not a news flash that Blizzard is the best in fantasy world of mmos. Nobody even gets close to them. And Aion with it's forced pvp after level 20 will not even put a dent in WoWs armour. BioWare will also not succeed in drawing any significant numbers from WoWs subs. Nobody wants a story driven MMO, sorry that is just the truth.

Expect WoW to rain supreme untill Blizzard comes out with a new MMO. They are just to good for the competion to keep up. And remember this comes from a person that isent even playing their games.

 

 

I think your dreaming there . Nearly everyone i know in WoW is at least going to try Aion . Most people dont play two mmos a month so given a lot of boredom has set in with Warcraft they loses to Aion if its a decent game will be huge in the coming year . This is why Blizzard are anouncing now . Its what we call in europe.The promice of jam tomorrow . Its designed to try an keep players playing in the coming year in the hope that theres good things around the corner . Personally i m bored with WoW which is why i m going to Aion . When i m bored with Aion i ll go elsewhere . It stupid to stay in a game when you get fed up with it . but plenty do .  this XPAC announcement shows is that Blizzard are concerned with the losses they are already experianceing and the expected losses to other games . Its a fools paradise to believe WoW will maintain its current levels of popularity in the coming years . All this is is an effort to stem the tide . It may work for a few months next year and bring people back but without real change they ll soon leave again .

For the record i  m not a wowhater . If i was coming into the game now and was in the 8-14 age group i would love it . Its ideal from players of those ages given its accessability and easy gameplay .

The real question is can the avrage WoW player make the transition to Aion. Im not sure to be honest. The game is 80% pvp vs 20% PvE where wow is the reverse. Also PvP has a concequense you need to fight others for Boss spawns etc. It can become frustrating if you are used to being in an Instance all by yourself. Aion is an Asian MMO they are way diffrent in design then western MMOs. Its mush more about comunity and fighting your rivals. I dont see many WoW players be interested in this.

Example you have been campinga Boss spawn for an hour in the abbys waiting to take it down. 10m before it spawns a raid group of your enemies swoops in and ambushes you. After this has happend 10-20 times and you have done it to others 10-15 times a I can see alot of X wowers complaining about bad game design.

I dont think Aion is the game for WoW players its just to harsh and demanding....

SW:TOR MMO seems just as appealing to me now that I've seen some recent game play videos as the recent WoW expansion. In fact I'll probably leaning towards SW:TOR since Bioware is going for a very RPGish experience it seems rather then your typical kill 10 womp rats approach.

This is a four part series of videos.

pc.ign.com/dor/objects/816935/bioware-mmo-project/videos/gcom09_oldrepublic_spc1_082109.html

Personaly, I don't see what the big deal is. Don't get me wrong, I like WoW, it's a nice game but this expansion just seems underwhelming. Sure, you get to fly in the old zones but there are no new classes and no graphic upgrade.

People are talking about Blizzard putting war back into Warcraft, I just dot see it. More intanced pvp does not mean war. Not to me anyway. To me it just means more grinding.

Anyway, if that's your thing, have fun, I love Warcraft but I'll be passing on this expansion. The other upcomming MMOs just look more appealing.

Originally posted by left4shaman

Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW, and with the new guild leveling, guild talents, and personal talent customization blizzard is just giving so much more in this expansion then possibly wotlk and TBC combined. I was very hyped for SWTOR but if their both released at the same time I think I just gotta see how Azeroth has changed from once I knew.

If Azeroth is being completely redisgned, won't people on a trial see new environment?

Originally posted by fmnch35

Originally posted by left4shaman

Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW, and with the new guild leveling, guild talents, and personal talent customization blizzard is just giving so much more in this expansion then possibly wotlk and TBC combined. I was very hyped for SWTOR but if their both released at the same time I think I just gotta see how Azeroth has changed from once I knew.

 

If Azeroth is being completely redisgned, won't people on a trial see new environment?

Everyone will see the change. But for the first since wow comes out. I'm happy of what blizzard are doing. They really put a good expansion on the market and it's perfect for WoW Player

The good news about the expansion:

If you think about it, it's just new art. The races and the areas are things just artists could work on. Leaving the game designers and programmers to work on getting battle net finished for SC 2, Diablo 3 and the new MMO.

So actually this is good news. Blizzard may finally be moving on, yay!

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by baldrick76

Originally posted by Zlayer77

I must say that even I who quit soon after TBC, got a bit interested when I saw the promo for the new expansion cataclysm. I think Blizzard will draw many old players back to see how they changed the game world.

Also it's not a news flash that Blizzard is the best in fantasy world of mmos. Nobody even gets close to them. And Aion with it's forced pvp after level 20 will not even put a dent in WoWs armour. BioWare will also not succeed in drawing any significant numbers from WoWs subs. Nobody wants a story driven MMO, sorry that is just the truth.

Expect WoW to rain supreme untill Blizzard comes out with a new MMO. They are just to good for the competion to keep up. And remember this comes from a person that isent even playing their games.

 

 

I think your dreaming there . Nearly everyone i know in WoW is at least going to try Aion . Most people dont play two mmos a month so given a lot of boredom has set in with Warcraft they loses to Aion if its a decent game will be huge in the coming year . This is why Blizzard are anouncing now . Its what we call in europe.The promice of jam tomorrow . Its designed to try an keep players playing in the coming year in the hope that theres good things around the corner . Personally i m bored with WoW which is why i m going to Aion . When i m bored with Aion i ll go elsewhere . It stupid to stay in a game when you get fed up with it . but plenty do .  this XPAC announcement shows is that Blizzard are concerned with the losses they are already experianceing and the expected losses to other games . Its a fools paradise to believe WoW will maintain its current levels of popularity in the coming years . All this is is an effort to stem the tide . It may work for a few months next year and bring people back but without real change they ll soon leave again .

For the record i  m not a wowhater . If i was coming into the game now and was in the 8-14 age group i would love it . Its ideal from players of those ages given its accessability and easy gameplay .

 

The real question is can the avrage WoW player make the transition to Aion. Im not sure to be honest. The game is 80% pvp vs 20% PvE where wow is the reverse. Also PvP has a concequense you need to fight others for Boss spawns etc. It can become frustrating if you are used to being in an Instance all by yourself. Aion is an Asian MMO they are way diffrent in design then western MMOs. Its mush more about comunity and fighting your rivals. I dont see many WoW players be interested in this.

Example you have been campinga Boss spawn for an hour in the abbys waiting to take it down. 10m before it spawns a raid group of your enemies swoops in and ambushes you. After this has happend 10-20 times and you have done it to others 10-15 times a I can see alot of X wowers complaining about bad game design.

I dont think Aion is the game for WoW players its just to harsh and demanding....

"Its mush more about comunity and fighting your rivals."

Thats exactly what wow vanilla was about. People were part of alliance or horde and there were actual a lot of different things about each faction and players were "proud" of being membe of one of these factions

Originally posted by GreenChaos

The good news about the expansion:

If you think about it, it's just new art. The races and the areas are things just artists could work on. Leaving the game designers and programmers to work on getting battle net finished for SC 2, Diablo 3 and the new MMO.

So actually this is good news. Blizzard may finally be moving on, yay!

True story....there are actual only changes to the artistic part of wow with the new expansion. Races, flying over azeroth, changed old zones, anothe non-ending farm BG, new quests and art on the old zones.

I havent seen almost anything new to the gameplay of wow. I mean like new classes, changed battle system, maybe people building cities etc, more character customization etc...

If u think of it and search the forums a bit u will come up with tons of new ideas which will actual bring wow to a new level o RPG.

But no. Blizzard sticks to the old classic changes which have worked till now and will work  prolly again maintaining blizzard's profit.

Originally posted by FFandDB

Originally posted by GreenChaos

The good news about the expansion:

If you think about it, it's just new art. The races and the areas are things just artists could work on. Leaving the game designers and programmers to work on getting battle net finished for SC 2, Diablo 3 and the new MMO.

So actually this is good news. Blizzard may finally be moving on, yay!

 

True story....there are actual only changes to the artistic part of wow with the new expansion. Races, flying over azeroth, changed old zones, anothe non-ending farm BG, new quests and art on the old zones.

I havent seen almost anything new to the gameplay of wow. I mean like new classes, changed battle system, maybe people building cities etc, more character customization etc...

If u think of it and search the forums a bit u will come up with tons of new ideas which will actual bring wow to a new level o RPG.

 

But no. Blizzard sticks to the old classic changes which have worked till now and will work  prolly again maintaining blizzard's profit.

Accuatly, at blizzcon two days ago Chris Metzen kinda hinted that WoW might get a graphics overhaul but that would invovle changing every peice of art that is in the world.

It would be nice to see that upgrade at a later date but at the moment im content with the current graphics.

Originally posted by striker09dx

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Originally posted by left4shaman

Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW.

 

Heh, sorry bud but I won't be resubbing.

I quit after TBC and haven't looked back.

 

i'm asking myself what this guy is doing on this forum posting on this thread o.O

First, this is the General Discussion forum. As far as this thread goes, the trollerific title peaked my interest, I wanted to see what kind of crap the WoW fanbots were spouting.

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Originally posted by striker09dx

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Originally posted by left4shaman

Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW.

 

Heh, sorry bud but I won't be resubbing.

I quit after TBC and haven't looked back.

 

i'm asking myself what this guy is doing on this forum posting on this thread o.O

 

First, this is the General Discussion forum. As far as this thread goes, the trollerific title peaked my interest, I wanted to see what kind of crap the WoW fanbots were spouting.

So you looked back a little...   hahahaha, OWNED!!!!

This expansion seem to add a lot to those who are new to the game, but I did not see anything that would make me want to resubscribe. Yes, I am one of those jaded players who has played WoW on and off since the US closed beta.

Originally posted by thexrated

This expansion seem to add a lot to those who are new to the game, but I did not see anything that would make me want to resubscribe. Yes, I am one of those jaded players who has played WoW on and off since the US closed beta.

Having gone through the old world when it was truly new and mysterious like any of us from closed beta, you don't think its cool being able to take a new character through that same world thats totally revamped?   If you're completely burned out on the entire gameplay model, then yeah, thats the end.   If anything, running through destroyed versions of those old areas would be a unique way to re-introduce yourself.  At least thats what I think was the motivation for the whole thing in the first place. 

Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by thexrated

This expansion seem to add a lot to those who are new to the game, but I did not see anything that would make me want to resubscribe. Yes, I am one of those jaded players who has played WoW on and off since the US closed beta.

Having gone through the old world when it was truly new and mysterious like any of us from closed beta, you don't think its cool being able to take a new character through that same world thats totally revamped?   If you're completely burned out on the entire gameplay model, then yeah, thats the end.   If anything, running through destroyed versions of those old areas would be a unique way to re-introduce yourself.  At least thats what I think was the motivation for the whole thing in the first place. 

Sure it might be fun for the first two-weeks to a month, but after that it is no different from other expansions. You have city hubs from which you collect some daily quests and run same instances - either arenas, BGs, small group or raids - until Blizzard gives a new content patch and then you go and run that instance. The gameplay changes very little with this expansion and the fresh eye candy, regardless of how intriguing, will only last for some long (in my case probably a bit over a week).

Hence I used word jaded.

1. Worn out; wearied
2. Dulled by surfeit; sated

Well talents are totally overhauled; they have an exploration based alternate advancement system.
That alone sounds interesting to me.

The simplification of stats so that you don't need to rely entirely on excel to pick your gear for you...

There is a lot of interesting things going for this xpack. I will resubscribe for sure, I love WoW, I've just played it soo much I get bored :P

Originally posted by left4shaman

Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW, and with the new guild leveling, guild talents, and personal talent customization blizzard is just giving so much more in this expansion then possibly wotlk and TBC combined. I was very hyped for SWTOR but if their both released at the same time I think I just gotta see how Azeroth has changed from once I knew.

As a person currently subbed (for now) with WoW, it just seems like rinse and repeat of what Burning Crusade was with a home makeover (as opposed to a new continent -_-). I perceive a result much along the lines of the same thing as previous expansions (surprise, surprise) with further simplifying their mechanics (as simplified as they are already).

The new stuff doesn't even interest me all too much, new races never interest me, Path of the Titans is just another talent tree I have to worry about except now I have to collect more junk (probably without extra inventory/bank space) and a gnome priest is going to be the same as any other races priest so why would I care about the new race/class combos. It all seems lazy and slapped together (aside from the gigantic remodel). I'm not even sure if I even want to continue WoW after the expansion release, for me personally, it has been a huge turn off for the most part.

Multi clustered servers for dungeons.

LFG tool now addressing 80.000 concurrent people on line.

For dungeon crawling that's awesome.

Combine the above with a complete new to redo Azeroth adventure and you understand why everyone just comes back.

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Couple the above with now rated BG's (like Arena) and the already installed leveling through PvP option, joining BG's form anywhere, experience SHUT DOWN options, new open PvP zone, 3 new BG's, 10 new dungeons and heroic version of Deadmines etc...

Oh Boy :)

It is so easy to be a fan of WOW these days.

Worgen are clearly the most awesome thing about the expansion.

Sadly I recently canceled WOW.... and I intend to never return.  This new xpac offers nothing new that could make you want to return.   Sure 2 new races and the world being redone, also 5 not 10 extra levels.  To me it seems this is being rushed in an attempt to keep gamers from leaving the game.  IMHO, WOW if it keeps this up will die out in a few years from lack of effort.

If I buy this expansion, but not TBC / WOLTK... what exactly happens? Do I get access to all three? Is my level cap still 85 or 60?

I myself think the new expansion will be wow's NGE.

Originally posted by Murdus

If I buy this expansion, but not TBC / WOLTK... what exactly happens? Do I get access to all three? Is my level cap still 85 or 60?

To level a toon throughout the new Azeroth (level 1-60) you don't even need the expansion. It is for everyone.

My guess is they will launch an extended BAttlechest box, with all previous content included. (like the download option now).

In any way the new Azeroth will be in it, even for the very basic box.

As do all new features like multi clustered dungeon servers, the already present leveling through pvp, dual specs etc..

Only for these multi servers LFG tool in dungeons it is a huge motivator for dungeon crawlers  to come back.

Imagine having a possible 80.000 concurrent players on line to do dungeons with... Even the less popular ones will be pugged.