SWTOR won't be that game, of course. However, I predict that after a huge launch, so many people will be disappointed with the simple linear progression, rudimentary story-telling aspects and themepark controls of SWTOR, even the current fanbois, casual players and children, that the entire industry will swing back in favour of building sophicated, rich and open games again.

 I predict you will be wrong. 

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 I predict you will be wrong. 

Meet me here in two years time then, The loser, to commit suicide. Agreed?

SWToR will keep the fans of the IP fairly happy, and casual gamers of course.

Not so sure about the rest of us though.

We'll see when it comes out.

Originally posted by storyless

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 I predict you will be wrong. 

 

Meet me here in two years time then, The loser, to commit suicide. Agreed?

If you're that hung up about games, feel free to do so. 

I will settle for just -saying- I was wrong, if such lunacy as you predict actually comes to pass. 

hehe, nice thinking. If Bioware will release the game with their ideas i really hope for a total failure. But my fear is the kids will like it.. Currently i would say the target market for this game is like 8-18 years old. So i am not even close to be a target market.

So yes Bioware i understood the jedi wave "This is not the game that you are looking for"

 Then the sandbox game will be a disaster as the people who play games now are not the same type of people from back in UOs good days. There will 1000s of people running around with names like Ipwnurmom camping the starting areas are filling the chat with talk that would make a sailor blush. The only way a game like that could succeed would be as a niche game with a severe name and behavior policy. Not afraid to hit the banstick. I will give ToR a try  and maybe will get lucky and it won't be a game that caters to the lifeless.

I dig your post alot. Hopefully you will have absoulte correct. And all the nah sayers can gth

Originally posted by storyless

SWTOR won't be that game, of course. However, I predict that after a huge launch, so many people will be disappointed with the simple linear progression, rudimentary story-telling aspects and themepark controls of SWTOR, even the current fanbois, casual players and children, that the entire industry will swing back in favour of building sophicated, rich and open games again.

lol

Originally posted by Sioned

hehe, nice thinking. If Bioware will release the game with their ideas i really hope for a total failure. But my fear is the kids will like it.. Currently i would say the target market for this game is like 8-18 years old. So i am not even close to be a target market.

 

So yes Bioware i understood the jedi wave "This is not the game that you are looking for"

On a quasi-serious note - I think you've hit the nail on the head and also touched on the real problem with the entire Star Wars mythos.

George Lucas and the marketing people who report to him, all think that the Star Wars IP is aimed at 8-14 year old boys. However, the creative and production people who actually make his films aimed them at young adults between 18-26.

All SW products - the films, the games, the books, the toys - are the product of an eternal struggle that ebbs and flows between Jared, the ADD, barely literate, oral-anal compulsive 11 year old PS3 addict, and his older brother Kyle, the 21 year old, unemployed, OCD. obsessive, toy-collecting virgin who still lives in the family basement. SWTOR, it seems, is a point for Jared.

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Originally posted by Sioned
hehe, nice thinking. If Bioware will release the game with their ideas i really hope for a total failure. But my fear is the kids will like it.. Currently i would say the target market for this game is like 8-18 years old. So i am not even close to be a target market.
 
So yes Bioware i understood the jedi wave "This is not the game that you are looking for"

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If this game is merely KOTOR 3 with limited group-ability I'll be happy. If it's Mass Effect with different stories for each character class I'll be happy. If it's a sandbox MMO with open PvP and a player driven economy I won't even bother to try it. I'm 35 and I stopped playing in sandboxes long ago. I want to play a game that draws me in with a good story and believable characters, not some glorified chat room with a box of legos and a bunch of smart ass little punks who think ruining someone else's gameplay experience makes them cool.

LOL well I certainly hope you are correct with your prediction.  I read your title and though to myself this guy must be crazy, SWTOR is not going to be sandbox style at all!  But I get it now.  I hope the themepark rollercoaster derails myself and allows us all to roam around the park at free will lol.   It will be interesting either way to see how this goes for the MMO market.  I don't think sandbox and open economy style games are totally out of the running quite yet. 

Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by Sioned
hehe, nice thinking. If Bioware will release the game with their ideas i really hope for a total failure. But my fear is the kids will like it.. Currently i would say the target market for this game is like 8-18 years old. So i am not even close to be a target market.
 
So yes Bioware i understood the jedi wave "This is not the game that you are looking for"

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If this game is merely KOTOR 3 with limited group-ability I'll be happy. If it's Mass Effect with different stories for each character class I'll be happy. If it's a sandbox MMO with open PvP and a player driven economy I won't even bother to try it. I'm 35 and I stopped playing in sandboxes long ago. I want to play a game that draws me in with a good story and believable characters, not some glorified chat room with a box of legos and a bunch of smart ass little punks who think ruining someone else's gameplay experience makes them cool.

Like EVE right? Because we all know that it is impossible to make a popular sandbox game that is actually structured and enjoyable for mature audience... /sarcasm off

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Originally posted by markoraos

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by Sioned
hehe, nice thinking. If Bioware will release the game with their ideas i really hope for a total failure. But my fear is the kids will like it.. Currently i would say the target market for this game is like 8-18 years old. So i am not even close to be a target market.
 
So yes Bioware i understood the jedi wave "This is not the game that you are looking for"

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If this game is merely KOTOR 3 with limited group-ability I'll be happy. If it's Mass Effect with different stories for each character class I'll be happy. If it's a sandbox MMO with open PvP and a player driven economy I won't even bother to try it. I'm 35 and I stopped playing in sandboxes long ago. I want to play a game that draws me in with a good story and believable characters, not some glorified chat room with a box of legos and a bunch of smart ass little punks who think ruining someone else's gameplay experience makes them cool.

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Like EVE right? Because we all know that it is impossible to make a popular sandbox game that is actually structured and enjoyable for mature audience... /sarcasm off

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So play EVE then if that's the kind of game you want. Stop whining that devs don't make your kind of game when obviously it already exists.

Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by Sioned
hehe, nice thinking. If Bioware will release the game with their ideas i really hope for a total failure. But my fear is the kids will like it.. Currently i would say the target market for this game is like 8-18 years old. So i am not even close to be a target market.
 
So yes Bioware i understood the jedi wave "This is not the game that you are looking for"

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If this game is merely KOTOR 3 with limited group-ability I'll be happy. If it's Mass Effect with different stories for each character class I'll be happy. If it's a sandbox MMO with open PvP and a player driven economy I won't even bother to try it. I'm 35 and I stopped playing in sandboxes long ago. I want to play a game that draws me in with a good story and believable characters, not some glorified chat room with a box of legos and a bunch of smart ass little punks who think ruining someone else's gameplay experience makes them cool.

OOO your 35 that means you are just to grown up for these I guess. Consoles are what you are looking for because what you describe is a single player game with a glorified chat box where lil kids can still flog up your game. Just because you hit mid 30s does not mean you cant play a sandbox. I am almost 40 have a family and a job that demands about 60 hours a week and still find the time for EVE. Its about expectations. You want a single player game with a chat room for social aspects not a persistent world.

 The problem is here. This is not an MMO. Simply put it is a single player story driven game that just happens to allow a lot of people to play at the same time. This is stupid to be called an mmo. MMO's have lost their sense of community and is becoming more and more solo friendly. I am getting sick and tired of the mmo industry screwing up players that want a sense of community.  It is bullshit for me to have to pay a monthly sub for a game that is pretty much just me by myself for almost 70% or more of the game. When I bought that game to be able to play with other people. 

If I wanted to play a single player game I would buy a game for my xbox360 and pay for it just once. Instead of paying a monthly fee!

Edit: every time a game such as this has a huge success other devs click into it and more and more games are made similiar to this. 

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Originally posted by parrotpholk

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by Sioned
hehe, nice thinking. If Bioware will release the game with their ideas i really hope for a total failure. But my fear is the kids will like it.. Currently i would say the target market for this game is like 8-18 years old. So i am not even close to be a target market.
 
So yes Bioware i understood the jedi wave "This is not the game that you are looking for"

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If this game is merely KOTOR 3 with limited group-ability I'll be happy. If it's Mass Effect with different stories for each character class I'll be happy. If it's a sandbox MMO with open PvP and a player driven economy I won't even bother to try it. I'm 35 and I stopped playing in sandboxes long ago. I want to play a game that draws me in with a good story and believable characters, not some glorified chat room with a box of legos and a bunch of smart ass little punks who think ruining someone else's gameplay experience makes them cool.

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OOO your 35 that means you are just to grown up for these I guess. Consoles are what you are looking for because what you describe is a single player game with a glorified chat box where lil kids can still flog up your game. Just because you hit mid 30s does not mean you cant play a sandbox. I am almost 40 have a family and a job that demands about 60 hours a week and still find the time for EVE. Its about expectations. You want a single player game with a chat room for social aspects not a persistent world.

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You are reacting like I made a thread talking about how stupid sandbox games are, but you see I didn't do that, I merely responded to a thread that was saying that SW:TOR was going to 'FAIL' just because it wasn't what one particular group of gamers wanted. I'm not interested in social interaction in the least. When I want to hang out with my friends I call them up and we get together and do something. Whether it is playing games, like competitive sports games or FPSs, or going out for a few beers and karaoke. When I am by myself it's because I want to be by myself and I play games as such that entertain me rather than forcing me to interact when I have no interest in it. Sure, I like single player RPGs but I find that they too often have such limited content that I finish them in a matter of days, so I play MMOs because they have a greater amount of content, and generally add content over time. I know that's not everyone's bag, but I'm not speaking for everyone and have made no claim as to such. I'm simply saying that just because a game isn't something you like doesn't mean it's going to fall on it's face. Look at WoW, I hate WoW and hated it in beta, but that didn't mean no one else liked it, in fact it's quite popular.

Originally posted by storyless

On a quasi-serious note - I think you've hit the nail on the head and also touched on the real problem with the entire Star Wars mythos.

George Lucas and the marketing people who report to him, all think that the Star Wars IP is aimed at 8-14 year old boys. However, the creative and production people who actually make his films aimed them at young adults between 18-26.

All SW products - the films, the games, the books, the toys - are the product of an eternal struggle that ebbs and flows between Jared, the ADD, barely literate, oral-anal compulsive 11 year old PS3 addict, and his older brother Kyle, the 21 year old, unemployed, OCD. obsessive, toy-collecting virgin who still lives in the family basement. SWTOR, it seems, is a point for Jared.

You actually think a guy like Jared would play a story based game? No he will keep playing Wow because he hates story and just want to click yes to any quest there is.

If you want an archetype that the game is for you should think of Comic book guy from the Simpsons.

SWG is long gone and why would TOR be anything like it? It didn't do that good even before SOE screwed everyone. Bioware does not do sandbox games, if those are what you looking for you should aim for CCPs upcoming games, they are the only one actually pulling one off in a long time.

UO would not work today, the gamers have changed too much since then. Bioware is at least trying to make something of their own instead of just making another EQ with prettier skins like Blizzard, NC soft, Turbine, Mythic, Funcom and most of the other MMO comapnies. Go whine to them instead, even if a new thinking game fails they are at least trying, not just copying a game that sold well in the past like almost everyone else.

This genre need new thinking, copying old games like Eq or UO wont give us the next great game. we need something new and Bioware might pull it off or not, but they are trying.

Originally posted by storyless

SWTOR won't be that game, of course. However, I predict that after a huge launch, so many people will be disappointed with the simple linear progression, rudimentary story-telling aspects and themepark controls of SWTOR, even the current fanbois, casual players and children, that the entire industry will swing back in favour of building sophicated, rich and open games again.

 No MMOG company dares thread the sandbox land because they fear change ,they are afraid of swaying from the formula,even tho there is EVE online wich seems to have it right since subs are always on the rise .

See I'll disagree with the OP on his thoughts, cause yeah I'm reachin my 30's here and the older I get the less I want a sandbox and the more I want a game that I can relax in. I'm sorry but the sandboxs of today are nothing but pvp gank fests that drive me to alcohol. I want to kill people in the real world after playing them, so I'd prefer to sit back relax and play the Uberkotor. Uber fyi does not mean awsome, it means over often translated as super.

Originally posted by storyless

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 I predict you will be wrong. 

 

Meet me here in two years time then, The loser, to commit suicide. Agreed?

over a game? go for it. Why does it mater ? You play it if you like, if you don't play something else.

Originally posted by Ragnaven

See I'll disagree with the OP on his thoughts, cause yeah I'm reachin my 30's here and the older I get the less I want a sandbox and the more I want a game that I can relax in. I'm sorry but the sandboxs of today are nothing but pvp gank fests that drive me to alcohol. I want to kill people in the real world after playing them, so I'd prefer to sit back relax and play the Uberkotor. Uber fyi does not mean awsome, it means over often translated as super.

What you described is called a single player game.  It's good that we finally hit the root of the problem.  Follow me over to gamestop.com and I will show you a whole world that you can only imagine.  Look at all these single player games!  Look at them all!  Isn't it glorious?  *Busts out a Willy Wonka song*

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by storyless

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 I predict you will be wrong. 

 

Meet me here in two years time then, The loser, to commit suicide. Agreed?

 

over a game? go for it. Why does it mater ? You play it if you like, if you don't play something else.

It's just a joke, mate, about a computer game. Chillax.

You fanboys take everything so personally.