Originally posted by left4shaman

Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW, and with the new guild leveling, guild talents, and personal talent customization blizzard is just giving so much more in this expansion then possibly wotlk and TBC combined. I was very hyped for SWTOR but if their both released at the same time I think I just gotta see how Azeroth has changed from once I knew.

I know you from Gamefaqs. You should stay there. Valid points though. :)

While part of me thinks this is Blizzards way of admiting that at least some of the changes they ve implimented in Warcraft have been a mistake ( lets face it no ones perfect not even bliz inspite of was a few fanbois think ) I hold the view that if this the fundamental change thats ment to renew interest in WoW perhaps that could and should have been done in an extensive patch rather than making players pay for it . I m sure the pill will be candy coated with more classes ,levels ,races and things . If it puts wow to rights it might be worth paying the price of the expansion but then again it is old ground to go over again and i want to see something new also . but also even if Blizzard do impliment a rejuvinating expansion pack who is to say they wont follow the same path in the years to come and in another 4 years we ll see yet another expansion designed to bring back Warcrafts glory days . Having said that it may be worth a looksee again when this released but untill then Aion seams interesting .

Meh...I'm still more interested in seeing Blizzard's next MMO than another silly WoW xpac.....and I'm a Vanilla WoW player...=/

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by left4shaman
Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW, and with the new guild leveling, guild talents, and personal talent customization blizzard is just giving so much more in this expansion then possibly wotlk and TBC combined. I was very hyped for SWTOR but if their both released at the same time I think I just gotta see how Azeroth has changed from once I knew.

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Aw so they resub for a month and then its same old shit and they quit.

Me, I dont resub at all. Ive played this game since release.
Its a great game. If I was a new player coming in at expansion thats a least a solid year of elated gameplay.

But now? Meh. Its old hat.

By the way Guild Leveling, just another thing they stole from Warhammer among many.

Did I mention I think your a fanboi?

 

haha totally agree do you think we ll be seeing tauren with wings soon as well ? i dont want a cow pat on my head .
 

Originally posted by Jackio81

Meh...I'm still more interested in seeing Blizzard's next MMO than another silly WoW xpac.....and I'm a Vanilla WoW player...=/

i will resub when vanilla servers are introduced . They almost certainly will be by the end of this year imo  .

I might come back just for the live events leading to the x-pac. I missed out on BC and LK and really want to be here for that. Though I will cancel right afterwords and go back to playing LOTRO and maybe SWTOR by that time.

Originally posted by arthen999

While part of me thinks this is Blizzards way of admiting that at least some of the changes they ve implimented in Warcraft have been a mistake ( lets face it no ones perfect not even bliz inspite of was a few fanbois think ) I hold the view that if this the fundamental change thats ment to renew interest in WoW perhaps that could and should have been done in an extensive patch rather than making players pay for it . I m sure the pill will be candy coated with more classes ,levels ,races and things . If it puts wow to rights it might be worth paying the price of the expansion but then again it is old ground to go over again and i want to see something new also . but also even if Blizzard do impliment a rejuvinating expansion pack who is to say they wont follow the same path in the years to come and in another 4 years we ll see yet another expansion designed to bring back Warcrafts glory days . Having said that it may be worth a looksee again when this released but untill then Aion seams interesting .

Actually most of the big changes to the old world will be just a big patch.  Those changes will be independant of whether a player buys the expansion or not.  The expansion itself will be the new races, their starting zones, the higher level cap and the past-80 zones, dungeons and raids. 

Tell me how this isn't a WoW clone?

A worgen druid is interesting for me. I'll be getting 2 CE for the expansion for my wife and I. So I'll be there with her zipping me through Azeroth on her choppa while I complete my quest......lol And it's funny how you get get the uninterested bottom feeders in here to chime in about how this does not phase them, yet they take the time to read about it and respond. Negative or positive....it seems like WoW has not lost any of it's ability to move the crowd in either direction.....oh well there's no such thing as bad publicity in the eyes of a supa star!

Originally posted by Torik

Actually most of the big changes to the old world will be just a big patch.  Those changes will be independant of whether a player buys the expansion or not.  The expansion itself will be the new races, their starting zones, the higher level cap and the past-80 zones, dungeons and raids. 

Yep, basically more of the same old game experience.

Eventually they will get through enough expansions so that it will be ARAC.  They will have alt advancement from EQ.

It will be the endless case of the hamster wheel and phat loot.

New MMOs might end up doing the same thing, but they will at least have the illusion of being fresh in comparison.

although playing as a Worgen is like a dream come true (via look in my name ;)) i still feel that wow will still end up a little disappointing like WOTK, and that it will just be a huge patch with some major changes but the gameplay and all that will remain the same.  so basically i dsagree with you, there will be plenty of mmorpgs that have yet been released that will easily compete with wow such as gw2, Blade and Soul (if it ever comes out) Continent of the Ninth, the secret world, and much more.  I just see wow becoming a little old despite its constantly updates and all that, its always repetitive and similar to the very original wow.  So basically there will be plenty to compete with the new expansion despite if its been done right...

EDITED: after the webpage was released, i can see some good new things about this expansion but it still remains, how much will it really change though???  I wouldnt mind trying it out through, just to play as a worgen...

Originally posted by Eben

It would have to be awe-inspiring to get me to resub.  Parts of it seem decent...Worgen, flying mounts in old-world, revamped zones...but other portions seem just...terribad.  Gnome priests?  Forsaken hunters?  Orc mages and Tauren Paladins?  Goblins?  WTF wanted *goblins* as a playable race?  I suppose if someone has a hard-on for annoying voices, and is sick of playing their gnome, this gives them a horde option. 

Also seems a bit premature.  Announcing a new expansion before the old one is even technically complete.  Or is Arthas just going to sit grumbling in his ice castle forever?  I think they did this to keep people interested...people that may have left for TOR, as you've said you were considering.  And Blizzard themselves stated awhile back, that the only game they thought could hold a candle to them was a Bioware Star Wars MMO.  So they are concerned, at least.  (and no, I don't have a link for that, I just remember reading it somewhere awhile back).

I remember that too. A bliz dev in a interview talked about TOR, quote saying. "This is bioware, i'm confident that they won't just succeed, the MMO will do amazing.

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Originally posted by CuddlyBunny
wow that makes no sense.. why would anyone make undead hunters, tauren paladins/priests, and dwarf shamans even possible. Not to mention that goblins get to be hunters while gnomes can not? WTF

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All the other new combos are based in existing lore and have counterparts in the game right now.

Undead Hunter - Nathanos Blightcaller

Dwarf Shaman - Wildhammer dwarves

Originally posted by left4shaman

Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW, and with the new guild leveling, guild talents, and personal talent customization blizzard is just giving so much more in this expansion then possibly wotlk and TBC combined. I was very hyped for SWTOR but if their both released at the same time I think I just gotta see how Azeroth has changed from once I knew.

Holy shit, did they just copy and paste eq2, thats been in eq2 for years, I always wondered why wow didnt have guild lvling and shit years ago

pretty amazing that after all theese years wow still has such an huge fanbase and subscription numbers.

Game is old y, but theese expansions been giving it some new blood.

The problem i find in wow and the reason i cancelled it once i got to max level at the time, is the promiscuity of cows and zombies and elfs and whatever.. comeon.. playing a cow is fun? Even if the cow can dance.. just aint my taste hehe.

Ex wow player, WotLK held my interest less than a month. This new expansion though looks pretty cool. If no decent MMO has emerged in the meantime I'll be jumping back in.

I would never go back to WoW, I remember returning to TBC and quitting shortly after I capped. After that I completely lost interest. I remember the good old days fondly but I know that if I play this game again I would quit after 10 minutes.

Originally posted by left4shaman

Players especailly old players who quit are gonna resub just to see how their old home world has changed and just for that alone is gonna bring many many subs back to WoW, and with the new guild leveling, guild talents, and personal talent customization blizzard is just giving so much more in this expansion then possibly wotlk and TBC combined. I was very hyped for SWTOR but if their both released at the same time I think I just gotta see how Azeroth has changed from once I knew.

The expansion does look cool and all but you know most people get bored after a month of an xpac and a few days to a week after a patch. Once you get on the gear treadmill again at endgame it will get old again like it is now. It won't be able to compete with games like SWTOR and FFXIV, those games just look a lot better and have a ton of new gaming aspects not seen in MMOs before (atleast FFXIV seems to, followed it a bit more than SWTOR)

So no I don't think it is really going to affect those two really big titles by much.

I will probably be playing the new WoW xpac, or atleast I am considering it, but I'm not going through the gear treadmill they have at the end of every xpac..

And if the internet wizards concentrate their magic more then we can all have free interwebs.

Sense - this thread makes none.

This doesn't really make me want to go back at all. No matter what cosmetic changes or "revolutionary" features Blizzard introduces, at it's core, it will still be hoards of people mindlessly grinding for the next shiny epic lewtz. No thanks.

 Have to clap hands toward blizzard tho; by just retinkering the old vanilla world, they make massive cut on the cost of the development, which means even more money for them.

Originally posted by Omega3

 Have to clap hands toward blizzard tho; by just retinkering the old vanilla world, they make massive cut on the cost of the development, which means even more money for them.

This expansion rebuilds the original from scratch and so it  centers around regrouping the players base back to Azeroth in a very different way.

It is a very nice and original solution to centralise gameplay.

Up until now MMO expansions slowly killed the player concentrations. This effecively promotes the thinning out of the players concentrations by bringing too much spread out areas.

Coupled with the updated graphics and dungeons/raids/ 3new BG's and new PvP zones, it is effectively WOW 2 without calling it like that.

Very good shot at expanding the game in another manner than "just another new zone".

 Like it or not: but as the OP stated .... if Blizzard pulls this off (and why shouldn't they with their past record breaking records) it means an expansion that actually concentrates back to the original playing aeras, but within a different setting.

Grtz :))) to the Lore story telling and changing landscapes.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Omega3

 Have to clap hands toward blizzard tho; by just retinkering the old vanilla world, they make massive cut on the cost of the development, which means even more money for them.

 

This expansion rebuilds the original from scratch and so it  centers around regrouping the players base back to Azeroth in a very different way.

It is a very nice and original solution to centralise gameplay.

Up until now MMO expansions slowly killed the player concentrations. This effecively promotes the thinning out of the players concentrations by bringing too much spread out areas.

Coupled with the updated graphics and dungeons/raids/ 3new BG's and new PvP zones, it is effectively WOW 2 without calling it like that.

Very good shot at expanding the game in another manner than "just another new zone".

 

QFT

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Omega3

 Have to clap hands toward blizzard tho; by just retinkering the old vanilla world, they make massive cut on the cost of the development, which means even more money for them.

 

This expansion rebuilds the original from scratch and so it  centers around regrouping the players base back to Azeroth in a very different way.

It is a very nice and original solution to centralise gameplay.

Up until now MMO expansions slowly killed the player concentrations. This effecively promotes the thinning out of the players concentrations by bringing too much spread out areas.

Coupled with the updated graphics and dungeons/raids/ 3new BG's and new PvP zones, it is effectlively WOW 2 without calling it like that.

Very good shot at expanding the game in another manner than "just another new zone".

 

But it is just another zone, as they are just redrawing the old zones.  It does nothing to centralize the game.  A new person is still going to have to head to the bare Outlands at some point.  With this, they will also then head out to bare Northrend.  It just means at some point they will come back to the mainland, but still potentially be spread out - because there still is no centralization.

It is not WoW2 by any means.  It is just more artificial icing on an already stale cake.

Their new ideas are old ideas from old games.

They could do so much with this game, but they do not need to do so - they have enough people happy to run the wheel they have no need.  It is kind of sad.

Expansion looks crap, coming from someone who has played WoW but is not addicted to it, there is nothing in that expansion that makes me think "wow" with so many good games coming out next year, i'm glad blizzard gave me an easy choice on avoiding this one.