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  tryklon

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8/21/09 1:27:11 PM#121
Originally posted by Chaosas

 



Originally posted by Spaceweed10
 
Listen, you people complaining are missing one very important issue here.  There is a reason why eastern European countries can't play on the central European servers - latency.
You many think that you all have perfect connections to these servers - you don't.  I had the misfortune to play with the Russians <who I find despicable, but just my opinion based on personal experiences> in Age of Conan.  Everytime I came into contact with them during PvP, they lagged my game out, and trying to hit them was a near impossibility.  They caught onto this fact very quickly, and made very good use of it.  This wasn't isolated to just me, I was involved in some very heated debates about it on the AoC forums.
This is predominantly a PvP game, and I certainly don't want to be facing hordes of Russian players causing latency problems to a server they are too far away from.
I'm very pleased NCSoft have taken this stance.  The boundary line has to be drawn somewhere, so it's just tough luck on those that would rather be playing elsewhere.  Thank your lucky stars you have the game available to you, and stop QQ for God's sake.

 

 

No offense but I think this is a load of bullsh*t. I've played AoC for months and my ping was always stable between 70 and 80. Contrary to your beliefs, the internet infrastructure is pretty good in the Baltic region. Maybe not so much due to our technological advances as due to the fact that they're all tiny countries so you don't need much fiber optics cables :) And you can check out the speed tests at http://speedtest.net/global.php for example.

Lithuania is not the center of Europe geographically, you better get a map.


 

It is, and so are like 5 other countries. See my post:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3026421#3026421
And Wikipeda:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_centre_of_Europe
(Not that this is a proper argument in any way - us being members of EU is much more important).

 


You guys can repeat weak arguments 100 times it`s not going to make them more valid.

Let me make this simple for you:
1) I don't understand Russian.
2) Innova's Aion will be 100% in Russian language, played by 99% Russian players and for some reason 1% players from Baltic countries.
3) We will be blocked from playing on Aion EU (according to NCSoft GMs).

 

 

Lithuania is not center of europe, they claim to be, but i think anyone with a bit of brain and not dumb as a stone can look at the map and clearly see it is far from the center.... they can claim what the hell they want

  Chaosas

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8/21/09 1:31:03 PM#122
Originally posted by tryklon

Lithuania is not center of europe, they claim to be, but i think anyone with a bit of brain and not dumb as a stone can look at the map and clearly see it is far from the center.... they can claim what the hell they want

Since you found it too damn hard to follow the link and read my other post, I'll just copy it here. I'll even bold the important parts for you.

Regarding the center of Europe: Lithuania is the geographical center of Europe by some measurement methods. So is Austria, Hungary, Germany, Estonia and a bunch of other countries. It all depends whether they include remote islands into calculations, or the European part of Russia, and so on and on. Wikipedia has more info on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_centre_of_Europe

In other words, it's not wrong to say that Lithuania is the geographical center of Europe, but of course it does not mean anything whatsoever. So is Austria, Germany, Slovakia, etc. What is much more important is not the geography but the politics, and the Baltic states being the members of European Union. (OP was wrong to mention this as it's not a valid argument in any way).

Don't worry - no Lithuanian actually believes that we're the "real" center of Europe. Everyone knows the Baltic region and the entire Eastern Europe is behind the Western and Central Europe in terms of living standards and development - a direct result of 50 year long occupation by the USSR, I might add.

 

  tryklon

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8/21/09 1:33:30 PM#123

One would assume that you guys could speak russian after 50 years of occupation =P either way, like i posted before, you people sure arent the center of europe, but you ppl arent also russians and dont speak russian, so this is all stupid and all those countrys should play with us fellow europeans, wich is, nowadays, what you also are

  skydragonren

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Joined: 7/17/08
Posts: 708

8/21/09 1:34:58 PM#124

Could all you europeans and russians please do me a favor and watch "Rocky 4" before reporting me as a hatemonger to the mods.

What I typed was a quote from a movie.

Ment as a joke to settle down an already ridiculous post growing out of control.

 

Thanks :-)

  Yuui

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Joined: 10/21/07
Posts: 722

8/21/09 1:38:26 PM#125


Originally posted by Spaceweed10
Listen, you people complaining are missing one very important issue here.  There is a reason why eastern European countries can't play on the central European servers - latency.
You many think that you all have perfect connections to these servers - you don't.  I had the misfortune to play with the Russians <who I find despicable, but just my opinion based on personal experiences> in Age of Conan.  Everytime I came into contact with them during PvP, they lagged my game out, and trying to hit them was a near impossibility.  They caught onto this fact very quickly, and made very good use of it.  This wasn't isolated to just me, I was involved in some very heated debates about it on the AoC forums.
This is predominantly a PvP game, and I certainly don't want to be facing hordes of Russian players causing latency problems to a server they are too far away from.
I'm very pleased NCSoft have taken this stance.  The boundary line has to be drawn somewhere, so it's just tough luck on those that would rather be playing elsewhere.  Thank your lucky stars you have the game available to you, and stop QQ for God's sake.


here's a map of europe:
http://www.geographicguide.net/europe/maps-europe/maps/europe-political.jpg


By your Logic Finland should be in Russian license too and Spain should get an African-localised server?

Not to mention that it IS the other way around -


baltic states get GOOD latency towards europe(my personal ping to Copenhagen - 45ms, to Ireland(where NCSOFT servers are) 59ms) and BAD towards Russia(my personal ping to Moscow - 450ms).

You whine about few russian players.

now imagine getting thrown into server where 90% of population "lag you out"


Originally posted by tryklon
One would assume that you guys could speak russian after 50 years of occupation =P

We are really stubborn people, I guess.

Not to mention:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_smuggler < we invented it xD

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  Spaceweed10

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Joined: 4/01/08
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Where do we go from here?

8/21/09 1:45:02 PM#126
Originally posted by Chaosas

 



Originally posted by Spaceweed10
 Listen, you people complaining are missing one very important issue here.  There is a reason why eastern European countries can't play on the central European servers - latency.
You many think that you all have perfect connections to these servers - you don't.  I had the misfortune to play with the Russians <who I find despicable, but just my opinion based on personal experiences> in Age of Conan.  Everytime I came into contact with them during PvP, they lagged my game out, and trying to hit them was a near impossibility.  They caught onto this fact very quickly, and made very good use of it.  This wasn't isolated to just me, I was involved in some very heated debates about it on the AoC forums.
This is predominantly a PvP game, and I certainly don't want to be facing hordes of Russian players causing latency problems to a server they are too far away from.
I'm very pleased NCSoft have taken this stance.  The boundary line has to be drawn somewhere, so it's just tough luck on those that would rather be playing elsewhere.  Thank your lucky stars you have the game available to you, and stop QQ for God's sake.


 
No offense but I think this is a load of bullsh*t. I've played AoC for months and my ping was always stable between 70 and 80. Contrary to your beliefs, the internet infrastructure is pretty good in the Baltic region. Maybe not so much due to our technological advances as due to the fact that they're all tiny countries so you don't need much fiber optics cables :) And you can check out the speed tests at http://speedtest.net/global.php for example.

 

 


Lithuania is not the center of Europe geographically, you better get a map.

 

It is, and so are like 5 other countries. See my post:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3026421#3026421
And Wikipeda:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_centre_of_Europe
(Not that this is a proper argument in any way - us being members of EU is much more important).
 

 


You guys can repeat weak arguments 100 times it`s not going to make them more valid.

 

Let me make this simple for you:
1) I don't understand Russian.
2) Innova's Aion will be fully in Russian language, played by 99% Russian players and for some reason 1% players from Baltic countries.
3) We will be blocked from playing on Aion EU (according to NCSoft GMs).
 


 

I don't care if you think what I said is 'bullsh!t' or not, sonny - it was a fact proven on many occasions that it was happening.

I also don't care that you won't be playing on our servers with your attitude in tow.  See ya, have fun.

  BarCrow

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Joined: 2/25/07
Posts: 2142

8/21/09 1:48:29 PM#127

    I think it's wonderful. NcSoft will probably earn a Nobel peace Prize for uniting these countries in conflict under one banner of FUN in the virtual Aion universe. Bravo, NcSoft!!...Bravo and kudos!!! Now all they need to do is put the all the arab nations..Israel and Eygpt together as well. NcSoft....catering to world peace..one server at a time.

  Benjola

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Joined: 8/20/09
Posts: 713

8/21/09 1:50:04 PM#128

Well, since some of you feel strongly about this issue, have you tried NCsoft sites and forums as well as contacting them directly?

Don`t waste your energy on this forum too much I doubt it will make any difference other then let you vent some.

I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  Yuui

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Joined: 10/21/07
Posts: 722

8/21/09 1:54:12 PM#129


Originally posted by Benjola
Well, since some of you feel strongly about this issue, have you tried NCsoft sites and forums as well as contacting them directly?
Don`t waste your energy on this forum too much I doubt it will make any difference other then let you vent some.


Yes. Thats how the issue got out of the bag after all.


however so far - no intelligent response. Most of those who try to contact, get the same answer posted int he first post in this thread.

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  Richijefe

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Joined: 10/18/04
Posts: 145

8/21/09 1:59:12 PM#130
Originally posted by Chaosas

 



Originally posted by Spaceweed10
 Listen, you people complaining are missing one very important issue here.  There is a reason why eastern European countries can't play on the central European servers - latency.
You many think that you all have perfect connections to these servers - you don't.  I had the misfortune to play with the Russians <who I find despicable, but just my opinion based on personal experiences> in Age of Conan.  Everytime I came into contact with them during PvP, they lagged my game out, and trying to hit them was a near impossibility.  They caught onto this fact very quickly, and made very good use of it.  This wasn't isolated to just me, I was involved in some very heated debates about it on the AoC forums.
This is predominantly a PvP game, and I certainly don't want to be facing hordes of Russian players causing latency problems to a server they are too far away from.
I'm very pleased NCSoft have taken this stance.  The boundary line has to be drawn somewhere, so it's just tough luck on those that would rather be playing elsewhere.  Thank your lucky stars you have the game available to you, and stop QQ for God's sake.


 
No offense but I think this is a load of bullsh*t. I've played AoC for months and my ping was always stable between 70 and 80. Contrary to your beliefs, the internet infrastructure is pretty good in the Baltic region. Maybe not so much due to our technological advances as due to the fact that they're all tiny countries so you don't need much fiber optics cables :) And you can check out the speed tests at http://speedtest.net/global.php for example.

 

 


Lithuania is not the center of Europe geographically, you better get a map.

 

It is, and so are like 5 other countries. See my post:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3026421#3026421
And Wikipeda:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_centre_of_Europe
(Not that this is a proper argument in any way - us being members of EU is much more important).
 

 


You guys can repeat weak arguments 100 times it`s not going to make them more valid.

 

Let me make this simple for you:
1) I don't understand Russian.
2) Innova's Aion will be fully in Russian language, played by 99% Russian players and for some reason 1% players from Baltic countries.
3) We will be blocked from playing on Aion EU (according to NCSoft GMs).
 

 

You should instead read my arguments as to, maybe, why NCSoft made that decisions, and the presented solutions. And the measurements of one French scientist in 1989 hardly makes for a valid argument for the geographical center (open a map, Lithuania is on the eastern block of Europe, north of Belarus, how is that the center for? Only a french could come to that conclusion course). Anyhow, that is hardly important and, as you point our yourself ,not a real argument.

It all boils down to the fact that it is probably easier for NCSoft to do as they have done. And they are not defining Europe as to lacking the baltic states and Croatia, they are just splitting their servers into two different parts of Europe.

Instead of whining on this forum, which is a waste of time, gather the people affected by this, make a petition to NCSoft and they might change their mind. Remember NCSoft in all probability does not read up on these forums very much.

 

Richijefe

  Spaceweed10

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Posts: 656

Where do we go from here?

8/21/09 2:01:21 PM#131
Originally posted by Yuui

 


Originally posted by Benjola
Well, since some of you feel strongly about this issue, have you tried NCsoft sites and forums as well as contacting them directly?
Don`t waste your energy on this forum too much I doubt it will make any difference other then let you vent some.

 


Yes. Thats how the issue got out of the bag after all.


however so far - no intelligent response. Most of those who try to contact, get the same answer posted int he first post in this thread.


 

The decision is made.  You think a politically charged, hate filled thread will change the minds of NCSoft?

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  User Deleted
8/21/09 2:03:49 PM#132

Great. This is like a kick in the teeth to the lithauens. They don't speak russian, they don't even like russia and they got quite the sordid history with them. NCSoft should fix this problem as fast as they can, and while their at it, take a few history lessons. Allthough NCSoft is based in a country that's got a history of being, and kinda still is, quite xenophobic so their ignorance is not that surprising to be honest.

Edit: Hmmm, seems like this problem is fixed now. You only need to buy the right localized copy of the game to play on EU servers. Oh well. Still sucks the screwup though.

  skydragonren

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8/21/09 2:05:10 PM#133

Who the hell wants to play the Korean version of WoW anyway.

When we can all just play the real WoW.

It doesn't make any sense to me why this whole thread was made.

Just go here and get the trial.

 

https://signup.worldofwarcraft.com/trial/index.html

  Chaosas

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Joined: 7/02/04
Posts: 129

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8/21/09 2:06:51 PM#134

 


Originally posted by Spaceweed10 I don't care if you think what I said is 'bullsh!t' or not, sonny - it was a fact proven on many occasions that it was happening. I also don't care that you won't be playing on our servers with your attitude in tow.  See ya, have fun.

 

 

I hope you have fun too, since apparently Russians will not be blocked from EU servers and about half of the Russian Aion fans will be playing there, according to goha.ru

I called what you said BS because I always had great ping and no lag on AoC EU servers, being from Eastern Europe myself. No one from my guild ever reported any kind of lag problems either.

Anyway, you guys are right that there's no point in complaining here. I just saw someone started a topic about this issue and thought I'd try to explain some things since OP's post doesn't have a lot of info on this.

 


And the measurements of one French scientist in 1989 hardly makes for a valid argument for the geographical center (open a map, Lithuania is on the eastern block of Europe, north of Belarus, how is that the center for? Only a french could come to that conclusion course). Anyhow, that is hardly important and, as you point our yourself ,not a real argument.

 

Again with the center thing :) What's important here is that it's the geographical center. You know that the continent of Europe and the continent of Asia make up one big continent, the Eurasia, right? Ignore all the countries on the map for a bit and look only at the geography. The border between Europe and Asia is in the Ural Mountains, which are deep in Russia. In other words, all that big part of Russia belongs to Europe (geographically only, of course) when taking these measurements.

  mrw0lf

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8/21/09 2:46:05 PM#135

I read the whole thread. YAY.

Nothing to add other than its a poor decision by NC and the only way to change things is by taking action that is in your power, I will not be buying.

Other than that and completely off topic, there are some truely ignorant people in this thread it's embarrasing to find out they come from the same country. The problem is the promise of government to give broadband to every home, WTF would you do that, it was a last refuge (aside from libraries and schools, the books scare them).

Good luck to those from the Baltics, although I fear your efforts will be in vain. However I have played other mmo's with IP Blocks and the block is sometimes only in effect for account creation, here's hoping its a similar situation in this case.

 

Edit: 1 last thing, I hope this new found solidarity here goes some way to a few points in Eurovision, shock horror where did Latvia's 12 points go????

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  avalon1000

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8/21/09 3:25:21 PM#136

At this point the only ones that will be effective in making any changes are the governments of your countries and the EU.  I see potential problems for NCSoft if you are a member of the EU and they licensed the game for your countrries to Russia....probably a bad decision on NCSofts part and they may pay for it down the road.  You have my sympathy and I hope this gets resolved in your favor. 

  stayontarget

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8/21/09 5:50:53 PM#137
Originally posted by skydragonren

Who the hell wants to play the Korean version of WoW anyway.

When we can all just play the real WoW.

It doesn't make any sense to me why this whole thread was made.

Just go here and get the trial.

 

https://signup.worldofwarcraft.com/trial/index.html

skydragonren : Please exit stage ----------> wow

 

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  lusikas

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8/22/09 12:57:03 AM#138

now they telling estonia can paly in eu server
 

  Spaceweed10

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Where do we go from here?

8/22/09 5:07:19 PM#139
Originally posted by Chaosas

 


Originally posted by Spaceweed10 I don't care if you think what I said is 'bullsh!t' or not, sonny - it was a fact proven on many occasions that it was happening. I also don't care that you won't be playing on our servers with your attitude in tow.  See ya, have fun.

 

 

I hope you have fun too, since apparently Russians will not be blocked from EU servers and about half of the Russian Aion fans will be playing there, according to goha.ru

I called what you said BS because I always had great ping and no lag on AoC EU servers, being from Eastern Europe myself. No one from my guild ever reported any kind of lag problems either.

Anyway, you guys are right that there's no point in complaining here. I just saw someone started a topic about this issue and thought I'd try to explain some things since OP's post doesn't have a lot of info on this.

 


And the measurements of one French scientist in 1989 hardly makes for a valid argument for the geographical center (open a map, Lithuania is on the eastern block of Europe, north of Belarus, how is that the center for? Only a french could come to that conclusion course). Anyhow, that is hardly important and, as you point our yourself ,not a real argument.

 

Again with the center thing :) What's important here is that it's the geographical center. You know that the continent of Europe and the continent of Asia make up one big continent, the Eurasia, right? Ignore all the countries on the map for a bit and look only at the geography. The border between Europe and Asia is in the Ural Mountains, which are deep in Russia. In other words, all that big part of Russia belongs to Europe (geographically only, of course) when taking these measurements.


 

It makes no odds to most Westerners that the Russians may turn up on our servers.  We will find out where they are going before release, and just avoid them.

Either way, they will be playing on their own.  No one likes hieroglyphics in English preferred chat channels as has been mentioned here many times already.  It is plain rude and anti-social, which it seems is what they take great pleasure in achieving.  The AoC server which contains 'Ruscorp' is a virtual graveyard now, with the only players left there spitting bile at each other in /global chat.

Unfortunately, the only words the average Russian gamer know, are the most vile in the English language.  Basement boys of the uneducated variety, are usually the most destructive for a server community.  For this reason alone, the Russians should have there own servers to play on, and every attempt at keeping them confined must be administered.

  Chaosas

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8/22/09 8:16:42 PM#140
Originally posted by Spaceweed10

It makes no odds to most Westerners that the Russians may turn up on our servers.  We will find out where they are going before release, and just avoid them.

Either way, they will be playing on their own.  No one likes hieroglyphics in English preferred chat channels as has been mentioned here many times already.  It is plain rude and anti-social, which it seems is what they take great pleasure in achieving.  The AoC server which contains 'Ruscorp' is a virtual graveyard now, with the only players left there spitting bile at each other in /global chat.

Unfortunately, the only words the average Russian gamer know, are the most vile in the English language.  Basement boys of the uneducated variety, are usually the most destructive for a server community.  For this reason alone, the Russians should have there own servers to play on, and every attempt at keeping them confined must be administered.

OK, so help me out here. That has been exactly my experience when I've played on AoC Wildsoul (and later Fury, when it was merged) too. So if you're avoiding them yourself, how come you say that we should just suck it up and play localized version of Aion on servers where 99% of the players are Russian?

 

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