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Originally posted by baff

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Originally posted by Dekron

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Originally posted by Gameloading 
Guns don't kill people, people kill people? People kill with guns, so just take away the guns. simple.

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Irresponsible by default? Where is this default irresponsible list?
I've not personally seen an autonomous gun kill someone. Have you?
I have a black belt in Bushidokan. If I went to one of these events, would I be irresponsible? If I went in my uniform, would that mean I am intimidating the other side? I know how to kill with my bare hands, should you take my hands away?
 

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I think you'll find that you are intimidating no one at all dressed in your pyjamas mate.
Next time you go to your kung fu class take your AK 47 with you and see what looks you get walking around town instead.

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And if you do, make sure you are dressed properly like all the studly karate kids:

What a difference in signs by the different groups.

Signs for Healthcare crowd:

Signs against healthcare crowd:

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I like to hunt

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Earthgirl

 All it would take is one nut job, going from responsible legal assault rifle toting citizen to catastrophe.

 

Well first of all, your statement is contradictory.  It pretty much assumes that a responsible level-headed individual would somehow snap in a single moment.  I'm not sure if that's even mentally possible.  A crazy person carrying a gun would show up crazy.  And if someone who was crazy did show up, the responsible guy who is carrying the gun would have a much better chance of taking him out than if he was unarmed.

No. It assumes that all that is needed is ONE not so level headed person carrying a gun at these rallies for things to turn really bad, really quickly.  A "crazy person" doesn't have neon sign over his/her head designating them as "crazy". Hell! Look at Mark David Chapman. He asked John Lennon to autograph his copy of Double Fantasy just like thousands of other fan did before plugging several bullets into his back a few hours later. Your premise of being able to spot mentally unstable people in a crowd is faulty at best. And to add to that you don't need someone who is mentally unbalanced to set things off. All you need is someone who is drunk, feeling like a bad-ass or just has a major chip on his/her shoulder to light the fuse to this powder keg. I really don't want to come back to this thread and say "I told you so". I honestly, truly hope it doesn't come to that. But unless people start thinking and using common sense, the likelihood of that happening is getting higher and higher.

I hate guns

But, if they're within their legal rights, then people should not give them a hard time for doing nothing illegal.  If anybody's got problems with that, then take it up to your government & local officials.

Originally posted by olddaddy

Just beacause it is legal doesn't make it right, or appropriate.

Just out of curiousity, where do you stand on abortion?

Originally posted by Kymee

I like to hunt

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And what does this have to do with the subject in hand.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by Kymee

I like to hunt

 

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And what does this have to do with the subject in hand.

Nothing really.  Probably just posted to lighten the mood a little.

Originally posted by popinjay

What a difference in signs by the different groups.

Here's what my sign would say...

Leave Me The F*ck Alone!  I Never Asked For Your Help!  

'nuff said!  That's what it all boils down to in America!

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Originally posted by Ockham

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Originally posted by popinjay

What a difference in signs by the different groups.

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Here's what my sign would say...
 
Leave Me The F*ck Alone!  I Never Asked For Your Help!  
 
'nuff said!  That's what it all boils down to in America!

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Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by olddaddy

Just beacause it is legal doesn't make it right, or appropriate.

Just out of curiousity, where do you stand on abortion?

Abortion is legal.

However, that said, I do not condone abortion, I would like to see more outreach by agencies such as Catholic Social Services to those considering abortion to place their child up for adoption. Four of my friends have adopted through Catholic Social Services because they were unable to have children. I think it is a win-win option for both the mother, the child, and my friends.

The abortion card is played far too much and far to quickly by certain medical practitioners that stand to make a fast buck. It is against their business practices to first direct a mother to alternative solutions.

Just because the mother doesn't want the child doesn't mean that nobody else does.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Ockham

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Originally posted by popinjay

 

What a difference in signs by the different groups.

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Here's what my sign would say...
 
Leave Me The F*ck Alone!  I Never Asked For Your Help!  
 
'nuff said!  That's what it all boils down to in America!

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uhhh... good for you?

 

/blink

Is free Prozac covered under the Obama health plan?

Originally posted by olddaddy

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Ockham

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Originally posted by popinjay

 

What a difference in signs by the different groups.

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Here's what my sign would say...
 
Leave Me The F*ck Alone!  I Never Asked For Your Help!  
 
'nuff said!  That's what it all boils down to in America!

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uhhh... good for you?

 

/blink

 

Is free Prozac covered under the Obama health plan?

I think only Jim Jones brand Koolaid is and only to the Elderly.Hehe couldnt resist !

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

Guns don't kill people, people kill people? People kill with guns, so just take away the guns. simple.

 

Your logic is faulty. People  have killed people for thousands of years. People killed people before there were guns.  A gun is nothing more than a tool. People kill people with anything they can get their hands on, not just guns. You cannot  " killer safety" the world .  People have been known to kill others with everything from frying pans to their range tops, taking away the " tools " do not solve the problem. It does not make them more responsible, accountable or value human life. It does not save lives. It just leaves people defenseless.  More people die from household accidents and car accidents  than from guns should we ban homes and cars as well?  It would be nice if the world were that simple, but it is not. Most of the " terrorist attacks we hear about are not involving guns, not they are  car bombs.. You take one thing away another more lethal alternative will take it's place, you will just have less people able to try and prevent something terrible from happening.

The world doesn't work that way.

Yes people have killed people for thousands of years, but that is completely irrelevant. Just because you can kill with a gun doesn't mean that you can kill just as easily with anything else. Not only do you need to be significantly mentally stronger to actually murder somebody in CQB, you also need the required skills and tools to do so. Pulling the trigger is much easier than any other way of killing. You seem to think that killing with one weapon is the same as killing with another weapon. this simply isn't true.

Should we ban them as well? ofcourse not. Homes and cars have primary uses. This does not count for guns. We have no other use for them besides killing.

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Originally posted by olddaddy

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Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Ockham

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
What a difference in signs by the different groups.

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Here's what my sign would say...
 
Leave Me The F*ck Alone!  I Never Asked For Your Help!  
 
'nuff said!  That's what it all boils down to in America!

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uhhh... good for you?
 

/blink

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Is free Prozac covered under the Obama health plan?

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But there are times.. there are a couple of times when I wouldn't mind abortions being paid for it at all.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Damned those youths in Asia! LMAO. That, pop, is hilarious. You get props for that one.

I think what really has the left upset is that armed citizens are much harder for union thugs to bully and assault.

Originally posted by n2sooners

I think what really has the left upset is that armed citizens are much harder for union thugs to bully and assault.

Oh yea, because we absolutely love it when thoe assholes bully someone.  It really helps our cause.  All much as most as the guys with guns help the rights cause.

Which is none at all.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

I think what really has the left upset is that armed citizens are much harder for union thugs to bully and assault.

 

Oh yea, because we absolutely love it when thoe assholes bully someone.  It really helps our cause.  All much as most as the guys with guns help the rights cause.

 

Which is none at all.

Because the two are morally equal in the eyes of those you associate with?

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

I think what really has the left upset is that armed citizens are much harder for union thugs to bully and assault.

 

Oh yea, because we absolutely love it when thoe assholes bully someone.  It really helps our cause.  All much as most as the guys with guns help the rights cause.

 

Which is none at all.

 

Because the two are morally equal in the eyes of those you associate with?

Pretty much, yea.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

I think what really has the left upset is that armed citizens are much harder for union thugs to bully and assault.

 

Oh yea, because we absolutely love it when thoe assholes bully someone.  It really helps our cause.  All much as most as the guys with guns help the rights cause.

 

Which is none at all.

 

Because the two are morally equal in the eyes of those you associate with?

 

Pretty much, yea.

self defense = bullying and assaulting people.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

I think what really has the left upset is that armed citizens are much harder for union thugs to bully and assault.

 

Oh yea, because we absolutely love it when thoe assholes bully someone.  It really helps our cause.  All much as most as the guys with guns help the rights cause.

 

Which is none at all.

 

Because the two are morally equal in the eyes of those you associate with?

 

Pretty much, yea.

 

self defense = bullying and assaulting people.

You know damn well that they're major reason for bringing the weapons wasn't self defense.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

I think what really has the left upset is that armed citizens are much harder for union thugs to bully and assault.

 

Oh yea, because we absolutely love it when thoe assholes bully someone.  It really helps our cause.  All much as most as the guys with guns help the rights cause.

 

Which is none at all.

 

Because the two are morally equal in the eyes of those you associate with?

 

Pretty much, yea.

 

self defense = bullying and assaulting people.

 

You know damn well that they're major reason for bringing the weapons wasn't self defense.

I don't know that and unless you are a mind reader, neither do you. After what the union thugs did, I would be as armed as legally possible when attending one of these events if union members were likely to be there. And while I would prefer to carry concealed, if open carry was the legal way to go then open carry it would be.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by n2sooners

I think what really has the left upset is that armed citizens are much harder for union thugs to bully and assault.

 

Oh yea, because we absolutely love it when thoe assholes bully someone.  It really helps our cause.  All much as most as the guys with guns help the rights cause.

 

Which is none at all.

 

Because the two are morally equal in the eyes of those you associate with?

 

Pretty much, yea.

 

self defense = bullying and assaulting people.

 

You know damn well that they're major reason for bringing the weapons wasn't self defense.

I was thinking more in the lines of "What or who do these people need to defend themselves from? They are the ones with the semi-automatic weapons!"

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Originally posted by baff

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Originally posted by popinjay

 
 
Potential reasons he brought semi-automatic weapons to a peaceful gathering:

• Intimidation of others opposed to his viewpoint.
• Shooting other people who didn't share his opinions.
• As some kind of a one-man walking arsenal protest to show the government he has the right to carry a AR-15 and sidearms legally.
• Self-defense.
• To show off his armaments to other attendees as a "Look At Me!" statement.
• "Just because I can, I feel like it and doggone it...I want to!"
• He has developed mental problems and goes EVERYWHERE in Arizona with a AR-15 and a semi-automatic firearm as well.
• He was paid by someone to attend the event wearing guns to grab media publicity.
• He owns a gun shop and can gain more businesses by him "adverstising" gun rights in this way... free publicity.

 
 
 
 
It's not just the few examples you give, and I left out plenty more people can think of. I certainly don't agree with people showing up at events such as this with weapons unless they have a legitimate fear for their lives, but your scope is way too narrow.
 
If these people have such a fear, it's best that they just stay home in the first place because they aren't going to be let inside the venue with the guns with the President inside. So why stand outside in the hot sun fully armed with a fear complex of what might happen from whoever the boogeyman is, when you could have just stayed at home safe and sound?
 

While I don't agree with Dekron by any stretch, your own list is way too shortsided. Especially the "cold, dead hands "part. That's the thing we Americans who oppose these people DON'T want to do. Create some type of confrontations leading to shooting actions at these events in the first place that you are advocating in a joking manner isn't really that responsible.
 
 

I would prefer a more realistic approach, such as a limit of quarter of a mile or some determined distance so that their firearms would be rendered ineffective and much less of a threat to the general populace than them simply standing outside or across the street the venue.
 

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Now apply the "what's complete bullshit" test to your list and see what you are left with.
 
 
I'm not joking about disarming that guy either. He's clearly a crank. "Out of my cold dead hands" is something he obviously believes and frankly that's a confrontation your law enforcement agencies shouldn't be avoiding. It's their duty.
I advocate they go round his house and pay him a visit, rather than start off a Bloody Sunday styled massacre of course. Obviously if he was in anyway responsable he wouldn't put himself and his gun in an atagonistic/provocative situation to start with. But since he clearly isn't.....

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#10. Man Who Brought Assault Rifle To Obama Rally Was Part Of Radio Stunt

I was close with #8.

Guess it wasn't a "complete bullshit" list after all. You underestimate the American people; I don't.

I know exactly what we are capable of.