Originally posted by Crosswire

 

AOC is only held back by its creators and Warhammer is one of the best games I have ever played, so I agree both work very well, or at least as well as the rest of the running.

I don't know about AoC, but I have played Warhammer since release. Get serious.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Crosswire

 

AOC is only held back by its creators and Warhammer is one of the best games I have ever played, so I agree both work very well, or at least as well as the rest of the running.

I don't know about AoC, but I have played Warhammer since release. Get serious.

Are you trying to tell me that you have played Warhammer from release and you don't even like the game?

I just finished the last 'closed beta'...I thought the game was nice...

But why didn't they just call it Lineage III?

/flame suit

I played L2 for a few months and the following similarities were immediately apparent:

• The models/animations
  
• The goofy oriental(ish) spell casting Voice-Over every time you cast a spell/move/fart.
  
• The Menu/Options
  
• The way your toon moves/interacts with stuff. (technical term there)
  

Don't get me wrong, the game was fun. Similar to WoW's gameplay. I only had time to get 1 character to 10...but I enjoyed it.

The quests were well written and had a enthralling story line.

Lots of good stuff.

I don't think that AION is going to fail, as in, Tabula Rasa

...but it's just Lineage with a new (sexy) coat of paint.

Lineage III is still under development. And the two games are quite different in terms of game mechanics. That's why, despite Aion launching in Korea, it didn't affect Lineage II subscriptions.

Originally posted by Crosswire

Are you trying to tell me that you have played Warhammer from release and you don't even like the game?

Liking the game is a long way from "one of the best games I have played". It doesn't "work very well'. I tolerate the flaws (which are many) for the sake of the PvP.

Originally posted by raysie
 

And why does AOC and WAR "not work" ?? they dont have any more problems than the million other mmo games out there at the minute and dont quote me the gliches and bugs because that shows you just played the game for the 30 days at launch because there is hardley any noticable ones in there now and i dont think guild wars is perfect peps only play it because its free after buying the box

WAR didn't work for a lot of players cause of how the end game played. Maybe it is working as intended? (god that'd be disturbing) A lot of us were expecting something else.

Heck if anyone could have told me that the fastest way to get realm points involved avoiding pvp combat all together and could be achieved without killing a single soul... i'd probably have not played as much.

Originally posted by supbro

Originally posted by Thornrage

AoC failed?  OMG ...

 

I logged into AoC today, the servers were still up. There was still a whole load of people at the traders, I was still constantly running into other players.

 

Hmmm, I dont get it, AoC seems to be doing fine to me.

 

AoC is a failure if you compare it to game as successful as Aion. Aion is the most polished and stable MMO about to be released in the West this century, period. Add in the dynamic gameplay and the large scale smooth PvP  you have 3.5mill+ subs in Aisa already. Aion could potentially drive the final nail into AoC and WAR's coffin, this isn't specualtion its a fact - a game can only survive for so long with only ~3 servers.

Comparing it to Aion, does not make AoC a failure.  What would make it a failure would be that it is closed like Auto Assault, Hellgate London, and Tabula Rasa.  If there had been no hype over AoC, I am sure the number of subscribers would be about the same, maybe less because less people tried it.  But because it was so hyped and then released so unfinished, they went from 800k to about 100k.  That makes AoC look bad when in fact 100k is a good number for an MMO.

The reason most think the measure of success has to be higher is because of the huge success of WoW.  Since this past Spring, AoC has been gaining numbers and the game has been getting more and more fun.  AoC is not a failure no matter how you try to compare it to another game.  It is successful and could be around for many years.

Depends what you mean by "fail"

If "fail" means overhyped and then crash and burning due rushed release, bad design, tons of missing features so forth? Then no it will not fail

If "fail" means not reaching WoW subcription numbers, then yes it will fail

Aion is a good solid game (unlike WAR/AoC) but that is all it is nothing more, so  it will not reach WoW levels of subcription numbers (i would say 1 million in the west 6 months from now, at the very very most) nor fame, for any game to reach WoW's historical levels it will require them to do something amazing

Originally posted by Baggs

 

You'll be playing the same old shit Koreans played 6 months ago, badly translated and full of bugs.

This is a lie. 

We will be playing 1.5, just like the Koreans.  I just finished CB6 and while I can't say there are no bugs because there always are, I never saw one and did not experience any of the lag that some people did.  Part of the reason for all the Betas was to work out any translation problems, so those are gone or being fixed as we speak.  (I only saw a couple) The English voice overs are done and the English casting sounds will be done by release.

Originally posted by MyDcmbr81

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by MyDcmbr81

If you have never had a crash to desktop from an OOM error, but have mutiple 80's and done over 100 sieges,then you have never actually played AoC.

What server do you play on? There are very few guilds that have even participated in over 100 sieges total. Not saying I don't believe you, but I don't believe you.

 

Maybe he just started playing it recently?  I would imagine by now they've fixed the majority of the issues.  He certainly wasn't playing that game the first six months it was out though that's for sure. 

He has multiple level 80s so we know he's been playing at least a couple weeks. If it was just one I would say a week or two but multiple means he's probably been playing for about a month.

>_>

 

Only problem with that theory is the sieging. Sieges have been crashing left and right since 1.05 went live and thus siegeing has basically died on all the servers and when attempted, rarely are played all the way thru due to crashes that reset the zone.

 Since the last update 1.5.04 sieges havnt crashed at least on tyranny.  Have seiges had problems in the past, absolutly are they functioning currently absolutly. Have they taken players suggestions to help improve them , yes like the secret tunnels to get past walls with out having to jump.

 I am in reincarnation on tryanny , in reincarnation have done 60+ seiges and thats not the only server or guild that I have seiged with. 

 And just fyi I have been playing since just after release.

Originally posted by Lashay

Aion is a good solid game (unlike WAR/AoC) 

I don't know about WAR, havent played it since Feb, but AoC is a good solid game.  If you played AoC in the past few months then I will accept that as your opinion.  If not, you are misinformed, just like most of the AoC haters.

Aion should pull in good launch numbers but as for sustained I think differently. 3 months is where I see the churn being the heaviest. Rolling a alt will be painful as its the same thing over and over. Even WoW had a lil variety in rolling alts. The 2 sides mirror each other as far as content and lands other than snow vs beach and green. I do not see it being a long term appeal game except to the most hardcore of abyss folks. It has been documented by players how painful the abyss is the higher you get.

If you are afraid then dont play. Wait to see if it is great then you can come and play like 6 months to a year after launch then you can complain that you are so far behind. Look I persoanly played AOC and WAR, they had great concepts, but they tried to tweak or change something and it failed. Aion has been in Asia for about a year and from what i have heard it is rocking over there. So you can play it and hope that it is fun or dot play it wish you had.

Originally posted by natuxatu

It is sort of interesting that Guild Wars 2 will be coming out by NCSoft as well. Assuming Guild Wars 2 still has the great PvP combat ect that NCSoft bragged about in Guild Wars.... they they will have a similiar target audience... Especially since Guild Wars 2 is suppose to be more like a traditional MMO. I don't really have a point, it's just interesting. :)

Only time will tell. I'm abit torn between the two because GWs to me stands out from the rest...if GWs stays with similar mechanics and adds some more open zones for pvp/pve I think it will put most other MMOs to shame for the guild wars fans. Sucks, we'll have to choose between Aion or GW2 soon. :-(

Aion truley is a great game (probly the best thats come out in years) no matter what the haters say. I personally think it will even outdue stars wars and star trek coming up. For myself I enjoy a uniqe MMO, not an MMO based on something thats already been written.

Will Aion fail? I'd put my life savings on it...it should be around for years to come. And if ncsoft keeps dishing out good patches I wouldnt be suprised if it has a major effect on the MMORPG player base as a whole. The potential to make it #1 is there, the company just has to do something with it.

Originally posted by helioth
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Jeez I have no clue why they would delete your posts.  I just checked your history and you spread lies and misinformation like it is fact, and you do it emotionally because you are a hater for whatever reason.  If you get emotionally involved in a forum then maybe it is time to step back a little.

Originally posted by Bureyku

Originally posted by helioth .
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Jeez I have no clue why they would delete your posts.  I just checked your history and you spread lies and misinformation like it is fact, and you do it emotionally because you are a hater for whatever reason.  If you get emotionally involved in a forum then maybe it is time to step back a little.

Exactly... and helioth, you can thank me for getting that post removed. So tired of your foolishness.... 

It shows by your reply - how much maturity you have. Good riddence... let the real fans of the game discuss in peace without "zomg this game is linear/sucks/I have no argument" comments

That it's already good in asia does mean nothing.

Asians are love to grind for hours doing repeatly killing same mobs for 2-3 days. 99% done by bots.

So yes it WILL FAIL on EU/US market a HUGE !

Originally posted by Warlord711

That it's already good in asia does mean nothing.

 

Asians are love to grind for hours doing repeatly killing same mobs for 2-3 days. 99% done by bots.

So yes it WILL FAIL on EU/US market a HUGE !

Another one that clearly played Aion to max lvl and experimented everything endgame has to offer..... /sarcasm

Originally posted by helioth
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XD

Yes, it s everyone else that has the issue and not you >_>  Thank god you're not playing if you're this big of a crybaby.

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

Theres a lot of hype so launch will be okay. The problem will come a couple of months later then we'll see if a combo of RvR and grinding end-game is enough for Western players. I'd say right now WoW has nothing to fear. Wait for better MMORPGs to come along, not ones that simply re-hash tired old EQ/WoW/DAoC ideas.

Well, it's the most polished MMO yet to be released.  It has phenomenal graphics.  Combat is new and a bit different.  Crafting rocks.  Flight is fun, but gliding is even better.  One gathering skill means you don't have to roll an alt just to gather.  Since it is Korean the weapons and models don't have the same look we've all been looking at our entire gaming lives.

Yep, pretty sure this game is full of fail.  /sarcasm

This game will succeed.  I'm thrilled that certain people already hate it without even playing it.  I don't want to play with that crowd anyway!

Originally posted by Illyssia

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

 

Theres a lot of hype so launch will be okay. The problem will come a couple of months later then we'll see if a combo of RvR and grinding end-game is enough for Western players. I'd say right now WoW has nothing to fear. Wait for better MMORPGs to come along, not ones that simply re-hash tired old EQ/WoW/DAoC ideas.

You do realize... when WoW was introduced it was the same as older games only with more polish/newer things, etc... ? The same way Aion is now... nothing was game breaking or "new" in WoW... it just did everytihng really well (stop me when this sounds familiar)

You are entitled to your opinion but you clearly are contradicting yourself in your post.... 

The game will be fine. Anyone who doesn't think WoW doesn't have an end game grind is either fooling themselves or have never actually played end game WoW.... 

I agree with you above when wow came out it was missing a lot of things but producers these days dont understand that we dont want an unpolished game this generation is very impaitent and not loyal to anything. no one wants to play a game that at launch is unpolished why do that when you have so much other games? just wait blizzard has slowly killed wow with the uncreative nature that has cursed them. but there next mmo will revolutionalize the mmorpg world.

Originally posted by shadowsgone

I agree with you above when wow came out it was missing a lot of things but producers these days dont understand that we dont want an unpolished game this generation is very impaitent and not loyal to anything. no one wants to play a game that at launch is unpolished why do that when you have so much other games? just wait blizzard has slowly killed wow with the uncreative nature that has cursed them. but there next mmo will revolutionalize the mmorpg world.

Im not sure what your saying... you sound like you're agreeing with me :p

Aion is VERY polished... no one needs to wait through horrible bugs or other problems that ruined games like Vanguard.... Aion is one of the most polished MMO's I've played at this stage - keep in mind... its still in Beta and works VERY well..

Originally posted by Markn12

Originally posted by Baggs

Having played a Spirit Master to level 38 in Chinese retail, i didn't feel like i accomplished something.

 

Let me explain.

 

The game is basically a gank fest.

As much as i love PvP (playing DFO atm), AION just fails to deliver "proper" PvP fights.

There's nothing there to stop a 10-15 man group jumping you while you're doing your quests or simply grinding.

They don't even need to be higher level that you, you cannot kill more than 2, maybe 3 maximum of them.

The 2-hour-recharging Rifts encourage this by limiting the access to the PvP content.

 

Abyss : Best PvE zone in the game.

Don't kid yourself, you won't be going there to PvP, mobs give double the amount of EXP than world mobs.

Some die twice as fast as well.

 

Fortress Sieges : PvE content.

To capture a Fortress, all you have to do is kill a raid boss. Yes you read it right, a mob.

On top of that, there's no real reward for defending it.

So people in Chinese and Korean servers just capture it one day and then leave it undefended for the other faction to have it the next day. More rewards for everyone this way.

 

Abyss Points and Gear : Mostly useless.

Abyss Gear is good only when you buy the gold versions of it and only useful for certain classes/builds.

Also, the main way to get Abyss Points is ganking.

Take a 6+ man group, go through a rift and go gank anything you can until either some high levels kill you, or if you are high level yourself; kill untul you are bored of it.

Another way is mobs and enemy NPCs, which was the main way of obtaining AP for some guild in AION CN.

 

All in all, the game won't fall flat on its face, but its not for the average PvP powergamer.

Nothing exciting about AION imo, except the graphics and the well coded shadows and textures which make it run great even on low end machines.

 

Anyone who likes/plays/worships World of Warcraft will most likely waste a few years of his/her life on AION.

 

Last I heard china isnt even using the 1.2 patch for aion arnt they using 1.0 or 1.1 ?

The 1.5 patch adds the slayer system which will really help slow ganking down but shit you cant stop asshates who do it just to be ass's this will just penalize them for it.

 

How is the best points from ganking ?  You get very VERY little points for killing lower levels.  Lv 50 kills a lv 25 you get 1 pt while an abyss mob will give you WAY MORE.  You cannot compare what happens in china to any other region.  People there like to do shit people in NA/EU dont and we like to do shit they dont.   I do say there has to be a reward for defending a fortress and it has to be a bigger reward then taking one.  Maybe NCSOFT wil lsee this in the future they have shown they listen to there players for aion so far.

you're right, only a few chinese servers have the 1.2 patch and it wasn't the server that the english speakers play on. they had put the rest on hold but none have the slayer system in game yet.