This seemed like such a small and obvious net, but the size of the catch is amazing.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by junzo316

Everyone keeps saying that the new patches will be launched when Aion goes live.  Has anyone tested these yet?  Everyone knows that new patches bring a few bugs....If it hasn't been tested, I don't think it will be as smooth as people claim it will be.  Especially a new patch which hasn't even been released in the Eastern market.  I could be wrong, and, according to my husband, I usually am.  I'm happy to see other games released.  It broadens the market, but the claims of the holy grail seem a bit far fetched.

 

There are quite a few bugs as it is in my opinion right now. More than I would have expected from the way some talk about how "smooth" things are.   I think their launch may go okay but not as smooth as some would like or one would expect seeing how the game was already released over seas.

Keep in mind you guys currently play an outdated version directly after release. Allot of those bugs you see have been fixed already, after 10 months the version you guys play is on retail now. As for the new patches 1.1, 1.2 and 1.5. The first two ones are also about a half year old and they still remove bugs obviously.

The only ptach that could have about the number of bugs appearing, as we see in the current western beta version, is the new 1.5 patch, as we dont now what version of the 1.5 patch we will recieve. They are right now already fixing bugs in the new patch. For most we will hardly see  all the bugs of a new released patch,  except they change the pace with releasing patches for western audition a few months later like they do in their other games too (mostly because of localization) to simultanious releases.

Betatest or better said the previews are an exception as they all use the same long outdated client and obviously will still have the same old bugs.

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Originally posted by Cammy

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Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

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ROFL
 
It will.. just stay clear away....... you don't want to be anywhere close to this titanic when it launches
 
Now go.... shoo

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You make some good points.

Really gave me alot to think about.

Who can argue with his reasoning?

Originally posted by Carnivorous

This game is boring and its combat system + skills are absolutely dull. But it works unlike WAR and AoC so yeah...

FFS GW2 WHERE ARE YOU?

And why does AOC and WAR "not work" ?? they dont have any more problems than the million other mmo games out there at the minute and dont quote me the gliches and bugs because that shows you just played the game for the 30 days at launch because there is hardley any noticable ones in there now and i dont think guild wars is perfect peps only play it because its free after buying the box

Originally posted by Zippy

I guess it depends on your definition of fail.  Based on what I would guess would be their business model the game is already a success.  Aion is not being targetted towards the Western market like Warhammer and AoC were.  Rather Aion's business model is likely much more like Lineage and FF11s business models where they make their money from the Asian market first and foremost and only add a little extra from the western market.  With Aion's success in Asia already and the fickle nature of western PvP players the safest place to concentrate their energy is Asia with our market just being a small added profit.  The question is will they support the game better in the western market than they did with L2?

Are you smoking something? Must be good. Either that or you are very ill informed. Aion was built from ground up to appeal to the western market.

Also, do you even realize how important the west is? The west isn't "Add a little extra". EVERY western subscription is equal to about 4-5 korean subscriptions. Yes, we westerners are LOADED on the value of our currency compaired to china or korea... If the west is able to rake in even 1 million subscripers. That's the same quarterly income as if korea had 4-5 million subscribers!

Originally posted by helioth

 While it may not fail as a commercial venture,

to me, it fails as a game, simply because it plays like a free to play mmo: clunky character customization (beyond the glitzy aesthetic stuff), nothing like talent trees or specialization beyond the vague archetypes "assassin" "ranger" "sorceror"... boring gameplay (nothing beyond pvm and pvp) uninspired storyline (oh look, another conflict which NOBODY CARES ABOUT! it has angels and demons too, yippy!) 

I guess that's fine for people who have never played an rpg or an mmorpg, but for everyone else... it's getting old.

other things: 

 

 - Very linear leveling path, you are assigned to zones... and if you don't like them, tough! 

 - Grinding, yep, plenty of grinding, koreans just seem to love it, clash of cultures type thing i guess.

 - Horribly kitschy art direction, While I somewhat enjoyed lineage 2, this is just over the top, borderline little girls fairy tale book.

 - Nothing new! While it cannot be said that aion fails in any respect which it attempts, it does not really attempt anything, sticking to the safe, boring, tried and trusted features which have made other games a success.  There is no bite to anything, just another androgenous, homogenized, saccharine looking playground for people afraid of going outside.  

 

All in all, I think it's a step back in mmo development, while it is true that innovation cannot be the staple of an mmo on its own, it is also not something which it can be without: aion does not even attempt to innovate in any way, and before anyone says "flight", it's in other games too, the developers in it just weren't stupid enough to let you fight while mounted, because it ends up playing and looking like men in suits fighting, flailing around like spastics. 

In short, yes, Aion faces the same fate as Age of Conan and Warhammer Online: it will fall by the wayside, in the bargain bin... and only the delusional fan boys with nothing better to do will tout it as the messiah, and i wager to bet that even they won't be happy playing it, converting would-be followers is far more fun eh?

I have the complete opposite opinion of you... and I've played "popular" MMO released over the past decade. I'd consider myself a "mmo" or "rpg" vet. 

We all have a different opinion, doesn't mean any of them are wrong... you don't like it, fine - I do... so Ill continue to play, and you'll play whatever you decide. 

Originally posted by raysie

Originally posted by Carnivorous

This game is boring and its combat system + skills are absolutely dull. But it works unlike WAR and AoC so yeah...

FFS GW2 WHERE ARE YOU?

 

And why does AOC and WAR "not work" ?? they dont have any more problems than the million other mmo games out there at the minute and dont quote me the gliches and bugs because that shows you just played the game for the 30 days at launch because there is hardley any noticable ones in there now and i dont think guild wars is perfect peps only play it because its free after buying the box

AOC is only held back by its creators and Warhammer is one of the best games I have ever played, so I agree both work very well, or at least as well as the rest of the running.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by MyDcmbr81

If you have never had a crash to desktop from an OOM error, but have mutiple 80's and done over 100 sieges,then you have never actually played AoC.

What server do you play on? There are very few guilds that have even participated in over 100 sieges total. Not saying I don't believe you, but I don't believe you.

 

Maybe he just started playing it recently?  I would imagine by now they've fixed the majority of the issues.  He certainly wasn't playing that game the first six months it was out though that's for sure. 

He has multiple level 80s so we know he's been playing at least a couple weeks. If it was just one I would say a week or two but multiple means he's probably been playing for about a month.

>_>

Only problem with that theory is the sieging. Sieges have been crashing left and right since 1.05 went live and thus siegeing has basically died on all the servers and when attempted, rarely are played all the way thru due to crashes that reset the zone.

It is sort of interesting that Guild Wars 2 will be coming out by NCSoft as well. Assuming Guild Wars 2 still has the great PvP combat ect that NCSoft bragged about in Guild Wars.... they they will have a similiar target audience... Especially since Guild Wars 2 is suppose to be more like a traditional MMO. I don't really have a point, it's just interesting. :)

Well, Lineage 2 and the original Guild Wars didn't collide in any way, so I don't see why Aion and GW2 will.

Originally posted by Crosswire

 

AOC is only held back by its creators and Warhammer is one of the best games I have ever played, so I agree both work very well, or at least as well as the rest of the running.

I don't know about AoC, but I have played Warhammer since release. Get serious.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Crosswire

 

AOC is only held back by its creators and Warhammer is one of the best games I have ever played, so I agree both work very well, or at least as well as the rest of the running.

I don't know about AoC, but I have played Warhammer since release. Get serious.

Are you trying to tell me that you have played Warhammer from release and you don't even like the game?

I just finished the last 'closed beta'...I thought the game was nice...

But why didn't they just call it Lineage III?

/flame suit

I played L2 for a few months and the following similarities were immediately apparent:

• The models/animations
  
• The goofy oriental(ish) spell casting Voice-Over every time you cast a spell/move/fart.
  
• The Menu/Options
  
• The way your toon moves/interacts with stuff. (technical term there)
  

Don't get me wrong, the game was fun. Similar to WoW's gameplay. I only had time to get 1 character to 10...but I enjoyed it.

The quests were well written and had a enthralling story line.

Lots of good stuff.

I don't think that AION is going to fail, as in, Tabula Rasa

...but it's just Lineage with a new (sexy) coat of paint.

Lineage III is still under development. And the two games are quite different in terms of game mechanics. That's why, despite Aion launching in Korea, it didn't affect Lineage II subscriptions.

Originally posted by Crosswire

Are you trying to tell me that you have played Warhammer from release and you don't even like the game?

Liking the game is a long way from "one of the best games I have played". It doesn't "work very well'. I tolerate the flaws (which are many) for the sake of the PvP.

Originally posted by raysie
 

And why does AOC and WAR "not work" ?? they dont have any more problems than the million other mmo games out there at the minute and dont quote me the gliches and bugs because that shows you just played the game for the 30 days at launch because there is hardley any noticable ones in there now and i dont think guild wars is perfect peps only play it because its free after buying the box

WAR didn't work for a lot of players cause of how the end game played. Maybe it is working as intended? (god that'd be disturbing) A lot of us were expecting something else.

Heck if anyone could have told me that the fastest way to get realm points involved avoiding pvp combat all together and could be achieved without killing a single soul... i'd probably have not played as much.

Originally posted by supbro

Originally posted by Thornrage

AoC failed?  OMG ...

 

I logged into AoC today, the servers were still up. There was still a whole load of people at the traders, I was still constantly running into other players.

 

Hmmm, I dont get it, AoC seems to be doing fine to me.

 

AoC is a failure if you compare it to game as successful as Aion. Aion is the most polished and stable MMO about to be released in the West this century, period. Add in the dynamic gameplay and the large scale smooth PvP  you have 3.5mill+ subs in Aisa already. Aion could potentially drive the final nail into AoC and WAR's coffin, this isn't specualtion its a fact - a game can only survive for so long with only ~3 servers.

Comparing it to Aion, does not make AoC a failure.  What would make it a failure would be that it is closed like Auto Assault, Hellgate London, and Tabula Rasa.  If there had been no hype over AoC, I am sure the number of subscribers would be about the same, maybe less because less people tried it.  But because it was so hyped and then released so unfinished, they went from 800k to about 100k.  That makes AoC look bad when in fact 100k is a good number for an MMO.

The reason most think the measure of success has to be higher is because of the huge success of WoW.  Since this past Spring, AoC has been gaining numbers and the game has been getting more and more fun.  AoC is not a failure no matter how you try to compare it to another game.  It is successful and could be around for many years.

Depends what you mean by "fail"

If "fail" means overhyped and then crash and burning due rushed release, bad design, tons of missing features so forth? Then no it will not fail

If "fail" means not reaching WoW subcription numbers, then yes it will fail

Aion is a good solid game (unlike WAR/AoC) but that is all it is nothing more, so  it will not reach WoW levels of subcription numbers (i would say 1 million in the west 6 months from now, at the very very most) nor fame, for any game to reach WoW's historical levels it will require them to do something amazing

Originally posted by Baggs

 

You'll be playing the same old shit Koreans played 6 months ago, badly translated and full of bugs.

This is a lie. 

We will be playing 1.5, just like the Koreans.  I just finished CB6 and while I can't say there are no bugs because there always are, I never saw one and did not experience any of the lag that some people did.  Part of the reason for all the Betas was to work out any translation problems, so those are gone or being fixed as we speak.  (I only saw a couple) The English voice overs are done and the English casting sounds will be done by release.

Originally posted by MyDcmbr81

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by MyDcmbr81

If you have never had a crash to desktop from an OOM error, but have mutiple 80's and done over 100 sieges,then you have never actually played AoC.

What server do you play on? There are very few guilds that have even participated in over 100 sieges total. Not saying I don't believe you, but I don't believe you.

 

Maybe he just started playing it recently?  I would imagine by now they've fixed the majority of the issues.  He certainly wasn't playing that game the first six months it was out though that's for sure. 

He has multiple level 80s so we know he's been playing at least a couple weeks. If it was just one I would say a week or two but multiple means he's probably been playing for about a month.

>_>

 

Only problem with that theory is the sieging. Sieges have been crashing left and right since 1.05 went live and thus siegeing has basically died on all the servers and when attempted, rarely are played all the way thru due to crashes that reset the zone.

 Since the last update 1.5.04 sieges havnt crashed at least on tyranny.  Have seiges had problems in the past, absolutly are they functioning currently absolutly. Have they taken players suggestions to help improve them , yes like the secret tunnels to get past walls with out having to jump.

 I am in reincarnation on tryanny , in reincarnation have done 60+ seiges and thats not the only server or guild that I have seiged with. 

 And just fyi I have been playing since just after release.

Originally posted by Lashay

Aion is a good solid game (unlike WAR/AoC) 

I don't know about WAR, havent played it since Feb, but AoC is a good solid game.  If you played AoC in the past few months then I will accept that as your opinion.  If not, you are misinformed, just like most of the AoC haters.

Aion should pull in good launch numbers but as for sustained I think differently. 3 months is where I see the churn being the heaviest. Rolling a alt will be painful as its the same thing over and over. Even WoW had a lil variety in rolling alts. The 2 sides mirror each other as far as content and lands other than snow vs beach and green. I do not see it being a long term appeal game except to the most hardcore of abyss folks. It has been documented by players how painful the abyss is the higher you get.

If you are afraid then dont play. Wait to see if it is great then you can come and play like 6 months to a year after launch then you can complain that you are so far behind. Look I persoanly played AOC and WAR, they had great concepts, but they tried to tweak or change something and it failed. Aion has been in Asia for about a year and from what i have heard it is rocking over there. So you can play it and hope that it is fun or dot play it wish you had.

Originally posted by natuxatu

It is sort of interesting that Guild Wars 2 will be coming out by NCSoft as well. Assuming Guild Wars 2 still has the great PvP combat ect that NCSoft bragged about in Guild Wars.... they they will have a similiar target audience... Especially since Guild Wars 2 is suppose to be more like a traditional MMO. I don't really have a point, it's just interesting. :)

Only time will tell. I'm abit torn between the two because GWs to me stands out from the rest...if GWs stays with similar mechanics and adds some more open zones for pvp/pve I think it will put most other MMOs to shame for the guild wars fans. Sucks, we'll have to choose between Aion or GW2 soon. :-(

Aion truley is a great game (probly the best thats come out in years) no matter what the haters say. I personally think it will even outdue stars wars and star trek coming up. For myself I enjoy a uniqe MMO, not an MMO based on something thats already been written.

Will Aion fail? I'd put my life savings on it...it should be around for years to come. And if ncsoft keeps dishing out good patches I wouldnt be suprised if it has a major effect on the MMORPG player base as a whole. The potential to make it #1 is there, the company just has to do something with it.

Originally posted by helioth
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Jeez I have no clue why they would delete your posts.  I just checked your history and you spread lies and misinformation like it is fact, and you do it emotionally because you are a hater for whatever reason.  If you get emotionally involved in a forum then maybe it is time to step back a little.